Anyone else noticed increased police presence in their cities?

I asked a local today about the "doubles." He told me it was because they were training.

This makes no sense though. The County Executive just announced, within the past few weeks, a slash in funding and freeze on hiring. So if they're not hiring, where are all the new cops coming from?! On top of that, I am farmiliar with the trends here. There are indeed times when you will see a cruiser here or there with a rookie-on-board. For the third day in a row now, every single cruiser I have seen, which has been more than usual, has been riding double. Furthermore, today I saw several instances of cruisers riding in caravan. You see this sometimes if they're rolling to a call without going "code," but these guys looked like they were just tooling around today. Obviously not a gas-saving measure.

To the "red-light bandit": You don't need to run a red light to spot a cop.

With the NYPD not even paying enough to keep rookies off foodstamps, no wonder you're not seeing any increase. But aside from that, how would you notice an increase down there anyway? There are always cops everywhere in the city.

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Why dont you call the library and ask them if something happened......Maybe they were there educating their minds or perhaps some kids were using the internet to look up porn.....

I wasn't able to get the pics today. Try again tomorrow.

To those who missed it, I am going to try to get pics of military vehicles stashed across the whole back fence-line of a fire-training center. There is also a regional emergency management center further down the road.

A few nights ago I happened to see blue lights through the blinds. I look out and I saw 6 cop cars outside my neighbors house. I saw him today and asked him what it was about and he said dui. He got pulled over right in front of his house for a D.U.I and they felt the need to call in five more cruisers who sat out there for about 3 hours. Id say thats atleast an increase in their activity.

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What kind of vehicles are we talking about?

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Just Hummers mostly. I think there's a rig or two with a flat bed, used for carrying artillery. No artillery though.

Random thought:

American jobs shipped overseas, people turn to crime, which creates more domestic jobs again. Eventually the only job you will be able to get is being a cop or a prison guard, and everyone else will be starving or in prison.

Originally posted by harrymudd
[The point of my running 37 lights yesterday - and I plan on doing the same thing today - is to see if there is anything to this thread.

Its pretty clear you feel there is nothing to this yet you are compelled to discuss you "exploits" many times. If you have nothing else to add to the thread perhaps any of the other 1000's of topics may interest you.

Thanks
FredT, Moderator

Originally posted by SwatMedic
Or....it might be the fact that more and more insurance companies are refusing to insure officers individually or departments as a collective unless the wearing of bullet proof vests is written into their rules and regs.

Though, strangely, police departments apparently never had this rule until recently. I think the real reason is psychological. They look larger and more intimidating with all the extra gear. Plus the unstated assumption that it is us--the citizens--who are the danger to the police, when the reality is that we are much more likely to die at their hand rather than vise versa.

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I would also like to add to your reply that the police have been wearing vests for years under their unifroms. The new "tactical look" is indeed psychological.

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haha, i'm in ohio with california plates that expired in august of 07.. no police incrase here either

i notived a major increase in phoenix arizona, thats all i gotta say..but then again its near the end of the month lol

Originally posted by starviego

Originally posted by SwatMedic
Or....it might be the fact that more and more insurance companies are refusing to insure officers individually or departments as a collective unless the wearing of bullet proof vests is written into their rules and regs.

Though, strangely, police departments apparently never had this rule until recently. I think the real reason is psychological. They look larger and more intimidating with all the extra gear. Plus the unstated assumption that it is us--the citizens--who are the danger to the police, when the reality is that we are much more likely to die at their hand rather than vise versa.

You of course are entitled to think what you wish but I am just telling you how it actually is. This is not a rule that police departments have adoped, this is insurance companies tired of paying out for injured officers who have not opted to use their given safety gear.

Last year a record number of cops were shot which means extensive costs incurred by insurance companies. They have had enough and will not insure officers who opt out of wearing their vests. So now you have just about anyone in a security position wearing a vest.

Not everything is a mysterious conspiracy. You, the citizen, are much more likely to die by the hand of another citizen, the criminal, than by an officer.

Originally posted by jackinthebox
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I would also like to add to your reply that the police have been wearing vests for years under their unifroms. The new "tactical look" is indeed psychological.

Again, an incorrect assumption. The newer tactical look is the result of higher grade vests becoming the norm. Vests with greater prottection, which stop higher caliber rounds, become very thick and bulky when you reach a level of IIIA or IV. These vests need to be worn on the outside rather than under a uniform shirt.

Originally posted by SwatMedic

Originally posted by jackinthebox
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I would also like to add to your reply that the police have been wearing vests for years under their unifroms. The new "tactical look" is indeed psychological.

Again, an incorrect assumption. The newer tactical look is the result of higher grade vests becoming the norm. Vests with greater prottection, which stop higher caliber rounds, become very thick and bulky when you reach a level of IIIA or IV. These vests need to be worn on the outside rather than under a uniform shirt.

You are correct about the external use of some of these sophisticated vests. However, there is no reason in the world for them to be "black" instead of the traditional blue colour of law enforcement. The use of the colour black is indeed a psychological tactic and betrays much of what is behind the militarisation of police in English and French speaking North America.

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You are correct about the external use of some of these sophisticated vests. However, there is no reason in the world for them to be "black" instead of the traditional blue colour of law enforcement. The use of the colour black is indeed a psychological tactic and betrays much of what is behind the militarisation of police in English and French speaking North America.

Really? Now the issue is w/ the color of the vest?

And I have seen many departments where "BLUE" is not the traditional color worn. Some have puke green and tan. Oh and Dallas PD is BLACK - not blue...so really, blue wouldnt match their uniform. LOL

So, if they start making guns BLUE, will people freak out and think something is up w/ that? After all most guns are BLACK.




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You are not incorrect there, I must concede. But is this armor upgrade mandated by the insurance companies?

Is it possible that these insurance companies might be part of a bigger picture?

I don't think the police themselves really realize what they have become a part of. Soldiers in Iraq are fighting for freedom and a better future for Iraqis, but in the meantime this country is being driven into the ground. The same goes for police. They go out everyday and put their lives on the line to protect people, not realizing that they are being used to protect the puppetmasters who are actually dictating the conditions which create criminality.

My point is this. Shouldn't the system that the police are out there protecting, be doing a better job of protecting them? I'm not talking about giving them better body armor. I'm talking about meaningful measures of actually decreasing crime, like providing meaningful employment to people so they don't have to supplement their burger-joint job selling dope out the back door. The cops shouldn't need better body armor, we should be living in a better society, and the reason we are not is poor leadership.

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The cops are wearing the more intimidating gear because they want to go home at night. But the psychological aspect of the gear is intentional by the "higher-ups" and further destablizes our society.



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the police are out there protecting, be doing a better job of protecting them? I'm not talking about giving them better body armor. I'm talking about meaningful measures of actually decreasing crime, like providing meaningful employment to people so they don't have to supplement their burger-joint job selling dope out the back door. The cops shouldn't need better body armor, we should be living in a better society, and the reason we are not is poor leadership.

Do you really feel its a cops duty to provide employment to people who choose to break the law?

Maybe people should stop being criminals and make society a better place.

Yes, there is a noticeable increase of police presence -- i.e. cops pointing their speed guns at motorists, portable, radar speed signs appearing one day on a slow part of the street and disappearing the next, helicopters flying around at night and shining their spotlights at the neighborhood below, emergency response teams (paramedics, ambulances and firefighters) riding up and down this long stretch of road and squad cars at almost every other turn I make while driving in and around my neck of the woods.

Sometimes those squad cars would be right behind me. It's unnerving sometimes but I pick my boogers and go my merry way as if they don't exist. I'm not paranoid but have been very observant of outdoor activities more recently.

Originally posted by jackinthebox
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You are not incorrect there, I must concede. But is this armor upgrade mandated by the insurance companies?

Is it possible that these insurance companies might be part of a bigger picture?

I don't think the police themselves really realize what they have become a part of. Soldiers in Iraq are fighting for freedom and a better future for Iraqis, but in the meantime this country is being driven into the ground. The same goes for police. They go out everyday and put their lives on the line to protect people, not realizing that they are being used to protect the puppetmasters who are actually dictating the conditions which create criminality.

My point is this. Shouldn't the system that the police are out there protecting, be doing a better job of protecting them? I'm not talking about giving them better body armor. I'm talking about meaningful measures of actually decreasing crime, like providing meaningful employment to people so they don't have to supplement their burger-joint job selling dope out the back door. The cops shouldn't need better body armor, we should be living in a better society, and the reason we are not is poor leadership.

The upgrade is not mandated by the insurance companies at least in our department. As newer technology becomes available (vests with greater levels of protection) and as money is appropriated, depts are buying better vests to protect their officers from the greater threat....meaning criminals using larger, more powerful weapons.

Putting our lives on the line for puppet masters? Please. We go out so you and your children can live and go about your lives with as little intrusion from those who seek to rob your of your goods, your rights, even your lives. I serve no one but my community and my fellow officers.

This country will never have leadership that is capable of removing all bad elements, ie crime. Leaderships will come and go, crime is a constant. And despite the ranting of some who believe we are out to get you, out to be a part of a NWO, or out to deprive you of your rights, we will still come to your aid just as fast as anyone else.

Can better leadership help to reduce crime? I for one hope so but again, it will never be eliminated. So while the threat remains, we remain in place ready to SERVE the community not sever it.