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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by DogHead
Either their secret is worthless or the humanistic morality they publicly espouse is a deception. Or both.
The secret, in and of itself, is worthless. Do you really want to know our 'special' handshakes or observe the degree work?
Originally posted by Don Killuminati
I don't trust ANYTHING a Mason would say.
Originally posted by LightinDarkness
So, since you were a mason, do tell - WHAT is the secret? Whence came you?
[edit on 24-1-2008 by LightinDarkness]
Originally posted by DogHead
Originally posted by Quazga
Wow thats a huge leap. So anyone who practices defensive techniques has a fundamentally anti-human agenda? Geesh.
No, the huge leap was made by you. Let's take some smaller leaps together and see what I actually said.
1. deception (secrecy) = warfare (aggression).
2. masonry practices deception (secrecy).
3. masonry practices warfare (aggression).
No one keeps a secret that they think has no value. To claim a humanist value system as Masonry does, then keep secret something that they think has at least moral worth, is contradictory in the extreme.
Either their secret is worthless or the humanistic morality they publicly espouse is a deception. Or both.
That was the argument in a nutshell. There was more, but that's a start.
Originally posted by DogHead
I and my whole family have been masons since there have BEEN masons.
Originally posted by LightinDarkness
Not you, Simon! I was waiting to see if he'd say it and then try to discern if he got it from googling by follow up questions
Originally posted by LightinDarkness
This is true, and I do in "real life," but since the answer to those that question both times is "from" and then I have to ask "from what?" its easier to ask something that requires a longer answer. Plus, the strange word combination might make it easier to figure out googling verses, "whence came you" - but I'm probably over-thinking. You can always point out the fakemasons eventually anyways.
Originally posted by LightinDarkness
We'll see how he verifies his membership, given his extremely negative attitude towards the fraternity.
Originally posted by DogHead
I and my whole family have been masons since there have BEEN masons. right where it all actually started too, not in some benighted branch practising bastardised rites.
I went through the whole kit and kaboodle.
Masonry is a pointless evolutionary dead end whose pseudo psychology rivals Scientology. But then it would- since both in their current form claim descent from Crowleyism and behind that the pagan mysteries, which were SUCH a good idea that the original and very radical form of Christianity erased them in a few centuries. Nice ancestry.
So why am I here? To clobber the ignorant.
And do my bit to stop decadent barbarism in the form of cults, intel disinformation, irrationality and false flag faith from overwhelming a culture that, despite its deep flaws, was getting a majority of people to devote a majority of their thoughts to doing the most good for the most people.
Originally posted by Umbra Sideralis
I had sayed, i say, and i always will say: The presence of general skeptics in ATS, will kill the forum's primal objective, it will ruin it, and will transform ATS in the end, a place where people just debate politics and war against terrorism!
Originally posted by meat... in the case of ATS, it's the skeptics that will keep you honest...what I see is that the 'skeptics' there seem to know more about the topics than the 'believers' do...
Originally posted by Don Killuminati
Or am I wrong when it comes to what this site is for?