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If you were in contact how would you get evidence

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posted on Jan, 21 2008 @ 03:05 PM
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Hi everyone

I've been reading ATS now for about a year.
(not been registered for that long)

But it seems pretty odd how
in the age of camera phones and good digital cameras
that all these people who claim there in contact
with aliens never seem to be able to produce good quality pictures or videos.

I've seem maybe hundreds of UFO pictures and videos.
Most are obvious fakes
and it amazes me how how quickly people will jump on these pics screaming
OMFG LOOK ......THERE HERE!!!!...

But there not all fakes.
Some pictures really do capture some strange things.
But you can hardly claim a light in the sky
with nothing else in the pictures to compare it against
for size /speed and direction is evidence of aliens.

My point is if I was being visited by aliens
on a regular basis.
I'd do everything in my power to get evidence.
If they were friendly like some say they are
I'd get some good 10megapixel pictures and send them
to a ATS mod or the guy who runs the site
then I'd get him to send me the longitude and latitude of a place where
I could meet him with my "alien friends".

I mean you keep seeing story's of people being taken to mars
or the Kuiper belt so why not a few thousand miles
over the atlantic to america ...right ??.

Then he could be the one to confirm my story
instead of me just running around saying " aliens visit me all the time"
but never having the evidence to back it up.

There was a guy recently telling people on ATS he gets visited alot
so I challenged him to come and visit me......
so far nothings happen..... he didn't even respond to me ???.

I wasn't trying to discredit the guy
I'd just like to see some good hard evidence
as I'm sure all of you lot would.

and I'm not some dis info agent working for the
government trying to dicredit everyone.
In fact if theres anyone in the UK near wakefield I'd be happy to meet you
so you could take a picture of me and post it here
to prove who I am

I've nothing to hide.......
So why are all the alien contactees so secretive and vague about the details.

Anyway let me know what you all think
and sorry about the rubbish grammar .


PS
If there is a UFO group near wakefield
I'd love to get in touch and meet up
with some people who are into Ufology.




posted on Jan, 21 2008 @ 03:33 PM
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Were I in contact with aliens and of a mind to gather proof, I'd take a big ol' bite out of him.
Then I would get the chunk analyzed for DNA evidence by multiple labs.

Pictures are worthless, as they can easily be faked.



posted on Jan, 21 2008 @ 03:37 PM
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I'd get some good 10megapixel pictures and send them
to a ATS mod or the guy who runs the site....


...And you'll never ever see the pix again...


Aliens know how to not be seen.

Also i assume sometimes when these UFOs show up, your cam will simply not work.



posted on Jan, 21 2008 @ 03:49 PM
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First of all, there is a Wakefield, England UFO group. You can contact the Director at the following email address: backin47@blueyonder.co.uk.

Secondly, I agree with your observation. In this day and age when seemingly everyone carries around mobile phones with built-in cameras, we ought to be seeing an abundance of new UFO evidence, and some of it convincing.

As you pointed out, capturing quality aerial phenomenon is difficult and the quality of most cameras is insufficient for useful analysis.

The people claiming to have frequent contact with aliens, at least the more credible ones, tend to undergo deep psychological trauma and appear uncapable of acting as an impartial observer. The late John Mack wrote an excellent book on alien abduction called Abduction: Human Encounters with Aliens. Surprisingly, many of his subjects were unaware of their alien encounters, only that they felt tremendous misgivings. The nature of these anxieties were revealed under hypnosis.

I, for one, always carry a camera around with me. Of course, despite my observations, I haven't seen anything noteworthy!

Check out my blog: Esoterica in America



posted on Jan, 21 2008 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by Paul the seeker

I'd get some good 10megapixel pictures and send them
to a ATS mod or the guy who runs the site....


...And you'll never ever see the pix again...


Aliens know how to not be seen.

Also i assume sometimes when these UFOs show up, your cam will simply not work.



10megapixel as in digital
can be emailed and analyzed

and if a digital camera stoped working all the time
I'd make a faraday cage ...... I'd find something that would work.
no ones perfect not even aliens....

and lavender thanks for the email address
I think I emailed them a while back not sure if the groups dead
but it can't hurt to give it another shot

good point subject x
getting some DNA would be good


[edit on 21-1-2008 by loki42]

[edit on 21-1-2008 by loki42]



posted on Jan, 21 2008 @ 04:26 PM
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One literally gave me the finger once. I put it in the freezer. It might have been real or maybe it was just from a large bird. I'm guessing an Ostrich.

She also left me what appeared to be a suit or uniform made with what looked like scales or guitar picks. It was very well made and was similar to pearls. A friend of mine later on showed it to me in my things stored at her house, but I hadn't remembered where I got it from until a few years ago.

It was difficult to figure out exactly what it would look like, so I suggested filling it with newspapers. When filled it looked similar to the Geico lizard and about 5 or 6 feet tall.

Supposedly she was going to show or sell it to someone but when she looked in the bag it was some crappy seaquin red dress instead.

Getting evidence is one thing, trying to keep it and or show it to someone for proof is another, since most or all probably disappear and or are discredited.

I also knew a mexican girl that worked for her that supposedly had in her possession a small red gremlin alien body. She took it back to Mexico and met someone there who was very interested and bought it from her.

Unfortunately the check wasn't any good or that persons either. You would think she would have taken pictures, but who would believe those either?

And we wonder why some people are abducted and later found dead with missing body parts or "souvenirs."



posted on Jan, 21 2008 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by loki42
How would you get evidence??

well firstly if I was in contact (and remembered it)
I'd probably ask them if they wanted me to reveal
the encounter. If they approved then I'd probably ask
them for something tangible for evidence.

Then once I got back home with it .... 20 minutes later
the black suits would come thru the door and take it away.

Then I'm back to square one.

edited to add "would"


[edit on 21-1-2008 by SimonSays]



posted on Jan, 21 2008 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by subject x
I'd take a big ol' bite out of him.

Ummmm! .... taste like chicken ..... LOL

if you did bite a chunk out of them, where would you keep it
stored until you get to a lab. I'm pretty sure there not gonna
let you walk out of their craft with a big chunk of alien flesh
in your mouth. Plus, the mouth and stomach contains acids
which would contaminate the evidence thusly making your
evidence worthless. It would probably be better if you grabbed
one of them sharp cutting tools in their vessels and stabbed him
to get a blood sample and then stick the bloody instrument
in a sterile bag hidden in your undies.

LOL, good luck gettin off the ship after stabbing et ..... LOL


[edit on 21-1-2008 by SimonSays]



posted on Jan, 21 2008 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by SimonSays

Originally posted by loki42
How would you get evidence??


Then once I got back home with it .... 20 minutes later
the black suits would come thru the door and take it away.

Then I'm back to square one.

[edit on 21-1-2008 by SimonSays]


then what about all the pictures and videos on the net ..???

how comes there not torn down in minutes..???

I know theres a lot of crap out there but surly some them are real

unless your trying to say that no one has captured a real ufo on any kind of film.........ever...

but then again if only one picture IS real it tells us
that we can get evidence and get it out there

personal I'd love to see real solid evidence of ufo's
but I see nothing convincing

like I said before Ive even challenged people to come and get me with there
"visitors" but nothing ever happens



posted on Jan, 22 2008 @ 05:22 AM
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These are all valid points loki42. I have been an amateur astronomer for many years and never seen anything unusual in the night sky!

I myself wouldn't try to get any evidence, I don't think I'd tell anyone!



[edit on 22-1-2008 by timelike]



posted on Jan, 22 2008 @ 05:57 AM
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i agree with your post 100% !! the most is fake!i have only seen two alien videos wich i believe is true!

Why is so hard to get proper footage of aliens?


When so many people have said that they have been visited more then once ! i will be prepared for the second encounter, video cameras, get motion cameras, even voice recorders, there is alot you can do!

But still on the end of the day nothing, you get alien heads popping out of a bush or only the head moving around! wich is so clearly fake!



Thanks for your post LOKI42



posted on Jan, 22 2008 @ 06:12 AM
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Originally posted by GUNSINWAR
Why is so hard to get proper footage of aliens?



Speaking totally hypothetically. I reckon most of the time they dont get out of their ships for us to take pictures of em. Secondly all those people who get abducted lose control of their bodies, and cant so much even scratch their butts let alone get the camera phone out.

The other thing to take into account is that the amount of stupid fake videos you can see on the internet, if a real video ever came along we'd never know about it.

[edit on 22-1-2008 by unnamedninja]



posted on Jan, 22 2008 @ 06:19 AM
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The other thing to take into account is that the amount of stupid fake videos you can see on the internet, if a real video ever came along we'd never know about it.


I agree with your quote!

There is testomonies of people saying that they have spoken to them,and walked with them to their space ships!
But like your quote there are so many fakes, who would we believe!



posted on Jan, 22 2008 @ 06:27 AM
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"Mr. Alien? Would you pee in this cup please?"

How about a coupla fingers?



posted on Jan, 22 2008 @ 07:22 AM
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Originally posted by loki42
If you were in contact how would you get evidence

Buy a Tazer and a 900kV shocker.
Take them both apart.
Take the puny 20kV generator out of the Tazer.
Replace it with the mighty 900kV generator.
Shoot the bastard trying to stick that anal probe up your [CENSORED].
Tie him up and stick his anal probe up his own [CENSORED].

Oh, i almost forgot - take pictures and videos! Not necessarily during the probing...



Originally posted by loki42
So why are all the alien contactees so secretive and vague about the details.

I used to believe many of these stories myself, untill i met some of these contactees and / or abductees.
I was also observing one person, WHILE being "contacted" and "abducted".


I wanted to believe, but after seeing what i saw, i had to come to a very sad conclusion - mental illness. The things they were reporting were only going on in their heads.. Sometimes with the help of certain things we can't mention here on ATS.


I'm not saying aliens don't exist. I'm not saying they are not visiting. I'm just saying, that majority of people who report these things are either making them up, or their brain is making them up for them.

And after you see stuff like that, certain traits become very obvious and easy to spot.


P.S. Just in case someone takes my evidence gathering advice too seriously - it was a joke. But hey, if they're experimenting on us....


[edit on 22/1/08 by deezee]



posted on Jan, 22 2008 @ 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by deezee

I used to believe many of these stories myself, untill i met some of these contactees and / or abductees.
I was also observing one person, WHILE being "contacted" and "abducted".


I wanted to believe, but after seeing what i saw, i had to come to a very sad conclusion - mental illness. The things they were reporting were only going on in their heads.. Sometimes with the help of certain things we can't mention here on ATS.


I'm not saying aliens don't exist. I'm not saying they are not visiting. I'm just saying, that majority of people who report these things are either making them up, or their brain is making them up for them.

And after you see stuff like that, certain traits become very obvious and easy to spot.
[edit on 22/1/08 by deezee]


that's exactly my point
I'm seeing so many crazy claims lately
that if I did meet a contactee face to face he/she would have a hard time convincing me......and I WANT to believe ...!!!!!

besides you'd be amazed by how much your perception of the world
is altered in you brain to fill in the holes in you memory

check out some of the things here

I'm reading the mind hacks book now and I find it amazing
but at the same time its showing me how much we don't notice
and how we only seem to notice certain things

this is what I think is happening with most contactees

another idea I had about getting some DNA
if I did get some how would we know it's alien.????

it could just be some deformed or mutant bug or virus

I mean we're still not sure what all the genetic instructions in DNA do
we know that a certain string at a certain place in our DNA makes legs
or arms or even makes us glow
cos we've got other DNA strand to compare it to in other animals

but we can't really code DNA yet

so how would we really know it was from an alien

I'd have to bring an alien body or part back

anyway what do you lot thing



posted on Jan, 22 2008 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by loki42
that's exactly my point
I'm seeing so many crazy claims lately
that if I did meet a contactee face to face he/she would have a hard time convincing me......and I WANT to believe ...!!!!!

Well, face to face delusional people are much less convincing. Especially after you hear some of their other ideas.
Of course this depends on their current state, but if you have experience, you usually notice the manic traits in their way of speaking very fast.

Written down, their stories are much more convincing. Especially if writen by somebody else.
Of course there are always some people, who don't even try to make sense. We have some very good examples even here on ATS.


It's a sad state of things, and can make you wonder if there is any truth to it at all.
And just because of all that, i believe the only way of getting to the truth, is to eliminate lies and delusions, even if that means there is nothing left.

Without the possibility of verification, everything is just a guess anyway. You have to consider all possibilities and try to assign them probabilities and accept the most probable one, even if you don't like it.

Unfortunatelly, people who assign probabilities based on what they want to believe, often get offended by attempts of verification.

This just shows, that the "believers" don't really completely believe either, they just want to believe harder than others... A person convinced of something won't get offended, when someone doesn't agree with them and will welcome attempts of verification.


Many people here hate skeptics and claim, we wouldn't accept the truth if it landed in our back yard, which is just ridiculous. Wanting a reason to believe isn't the same as not wanting to believe.

The thing is, if there ever is any real evidence available, it will be the skeptics and so called "debunkers", that are going to confirm it. Because what they're doing isn't disbelieving, but attempting VERIFICATION.

Whoever doesn't understand this, isn't looking for the truth, but for a belief system instead.



posted on Jan, 22 2008 @ 05:47 PM
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Having multiple witnesses taking multiple images, still and video, would be a big help. Non-anonymous, of course.

After that, having a bit of alien technology that is not currently available anywhere on Earth would be good. Being able to get enough of it so it doesn't end up "lost," is very important, as is having it examined and verified by as many independent research labs as possible. Whoever wants to examine the stuff, go right ahead.

After that, I'd like the experts to weigh in. Scientists, government officials, etc. Skeptics, in particular, would be the best.

In any event, I would try to get as much evidence as possible. Some people might take me at my word. But even though I might personally know the truth, anybody who would accept me at my word would be a gullible idiot.



posted on Jan, 22 2008 @ 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by deezee


This just shows, that the "believers" don't really completely believe either, they just want to believe harder than others... A person convinced of something won't get offended, when someone doesn't agree with them and will welcome attempts of verification.


Many people here hate skeptics and claim, we wouldn't accept the truth if it landed in our back yard, which is just ridiculous. Wanting a reason to believe isn't the same as not wanting to believe.

The thing is, if there ever is any real evidence available, it will be the skeptics and so called "debunkers", that are going to confirm it. Because what they're doing isn't disbelieving, but attempting VERIFICATION.

Whoever doesn't understand this, isn't looking for the truth, but for a belief system instead.


dude I think your one of the most level headed people on here


it seems to that about 75% of people who come on here
just believe a story about alien abduction without thinking about it logically
or even researching it

I think the reason they do this is to have something to hold on to

if I were to go round and show that every ufo abduction was fake/lie
(I'm not say they are ..) most people would quickly loose interest
(and I probably get some death threats too ... )

but you NEED skeptics in a debate like this
or you'd have people crawling out of the woodwork with insane storys
just to make money of it

and some confirmed fakers have made money of ufology


I've seen a bunch of posts where people are say" if you don't believe .why are you here "
my answer to this would be " to confirm the incident as real or fake through objective and logical reasoning to the best of my abilities"
but then I'd just get flamed or accused of working for the government

some people just will not listen


[edit on 22-1-2008 by loki42]



posted on Jan, 28 2008 @ 10:21 PM
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Hi everyone,

As an abductee I can give you some answers to your questions.

When a contact or an "event" occurs, the last thing on your mind is to whip out a camera and take a picture. These beings are capable of not being seen and the truth is we are under surveillance all the time, that is part of their test. If they so much as detect through telepathy that your going to take a happy snap they will end the contact immediately and would consider you distrustful for the following reason:-

Being contacted is a personal experience that is ONLY to be experienced by the abductee. Therefore witnesses don't count in a contact event, their memories are wiped and they have no recollection. Thats why even abductees usually have trouble remembering or don't remember at all Im lucky that I do.

As for getting one of them to visit a non abductee well that wont happen, as the person is not considered to have a connection with "them". These are beings that are capable of extraordinary things both good and bad, they will enforce order if necessary to keep to much information from being spread.

It has to be noted that "they" choose when and where an abductee will be contacted. And to understand them, well you have to achieve a higher level of self and environmental awareness, like tuning into a "cosmic radio". This can be done without being an abductee but it just takes patience.

Im not talking in a scientology sense either. Their is no way a human can attain the intelligence and wisdom of a species light years away through Thetan levels and all that money hungry garbage.

I hope i have shed some light on your opinions.




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