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When We Say Facts, What Do We REALLY mean?.

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posted on Jan, 21 2008 @ 05:56 AM
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First off, I know I generally 'poo-poo' many of the postings here,
it annoys me with talk of Stargates, aliens on-line and 'off-the-
cuff' remarks like "the Government are in on it".
I'm sorry about that.

I have followed this subject for 40-odd years and to date, for myself
and that's important... for myself, there's no evidence.
A news item appears either in the newspapers or on TV, and now of
course, on the internet and because of our social upbringing, if it's
on a reputable TV programme or certainly, if it's written, it must be true.

General folk see something they cannot fully explain, they see objects,
lights or even 'things' that look like aliens or have memories of strange
events when they were young... and the over concensus is that we're
being visited by abducting, cow-eating, human-eating aliens.

When they approach certain establishments like Air Forces, or Goverments,
the answers are never what they want to hear.

There many people involved in this subject to obtain personal gain, be it
financial or fame, there are lairs, people seeking a better belief system and
of course, those who'll forever be washed from one shore of trust to another.

There are people who seek the truth, this subject IS strange, it's ebrasive
to our social collective, it makes us fearful and it it also gives us hope.

But at the end of it all, is there any evidence?... really?
I'm assuming that a lot of people will talk about images on the internet,
their friend who has an implant in a bottle and this post may even have the
so-called experts say something enigmatic and insulting about this postings
doubts.

But I have to doubt, I have to rule out every wild idea, hoaxers, liars,
charlatans and the lost are many, those want to believe, cloud their own
and others judgement.

As of today, and I certainly don't want to insult anyone withis statement,

I believe there are no craft from other planets visiting us, I don't believe
that there are secret bases (yet WE know about 'em!) in the Southwestern
states of America and I don't believe Reptiods/Grays are among us.

I don't believe that the leaders of the world and thier entourage are
involved in a mass cover-up, I don't believe that there's a plan to take
over the planet by aliens using high-ranking officials.

I don't believe that Aliens visit this site, or mystics that have insights
to a master plan that involves crystals, Psi-porn, argon energy and
fairies.

Now, I may of made mistakes in the above generalising of subjects,
I know there'll be people out there to correct them... there always is.

I know I may of hurt some people's feelings, I apologise... that wasn't
the idea. But if you step back and look at the words I've used there, all
are subjects on this site, then you may see that no wonder people
roll there eyes and call for the net!

I keep coming, waiting for the posting... the one that makes me sad that
I wasn't a true believer, the same posting that will make me beam with
a new belief of hope... but to date, nothing.
Thank you.



[edit on 21-1-2008 by IronMan]




posted on Jan, 21 2008 @ 06:07 AM
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Okay, so I read your post so I would like to answer the question in your title as I'm picking it up from the content of your writing.

Apparently you are asking what YOU mean when you say (or request) facts.

From your writing I assume you want something physical that can be tested, observed, measured. In that case, by definition, you are requesting a physical object that can be scientifically analyzed.

I believe others have witnessed physical phenomena (myself included) who have the memory of the event they witnessed, but for the life of us we can't make the memory of seeing that phenomena physical for you to analyze. If we could pull our brains out of our heads and allow you to connect to the visual memory center so that you could replay what we saw, that might come closer to helping you. But we can't do that.

Well, even if we could, I'm not up for it. BECAUSE - I know what I saw. I know what it was not. I know that what is left when the "what it was not" is removed from the list is not a list that's comfortable. The "what is left" is only a partial list that my feeble mind can come up with, so I also know there are unknown entries on the list it could be. But the list can be labeled as "unknown" or unidentified. I cannot state I saw "an alien spacecraft". But I can state, with certainty, I did not see a man-made craft.

SO...for me, the "facts" lie inside my brain that stores the visual it recorded. And I'm not up to subjecting my brain to a risky procedure to convince you. It doesn't really bother me if you don't want to accept my word that I saw something that could not be made by human kind...I actually view it as your loss, not mine.

Hope that helps you understand how the awkward situation feels from the other side of the fence.

[edit on 1-21-2008 by Valhall]



posted on Jan, 21 2008 @ 06:15 AM
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Who can you trust for the facts? Do you believe eye witness accounts?

Do you really fool yourself thinking that UFO and ET are modern day phenomenons?

How much of the history of mankind and the ancient history have you really checked into ?

You might be suprized at how much info is actually out there.

I personally know the reality of the info I put out there. If you were wise you'd listen to me. Hey, I don't care. I'm just here for the coffee and dougnuts.

I placed a "Aliens Online" forum thread. It was meant to be cheeky discussion about the "aliens" tendencies to observe mankind.

You people read my words and assign meaning to them. You don't get what I mean, you assume I mean what you percieve. If reading me and wanting to know what I'm talking about, stay as objective as you can get, drop the self serving biases and percieved realities.

You might just learn something.



posted on Jan, 21 2008 @ 06:19 AM
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IronMan needed to get that off his chest i think


i also come here hoping to see that one post that one good video in the hope i will be proven wrong- becuase i admit i want to be proven wrong. The texas ufo had me on the edge of my seat but again nothing substantial came from it

valhall, i have also seen a UFO- a bright orange light in the sky which i observed for 2 -3 minutes then it started shrinking smaller & smaller until it disapeared. To me its unidentified but i dont jump to the conclusion it was alien. Also in general people make terrible witnesses and our brains are easily tricked.



posted on Jan, 21 2008 @ 06:24 AM
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Originally posted by yeti101

valhall, i have also seen a UFO- a bright orange light in the sky which i observed for 2 -3 minutes then it started shrinking smaller & smaller until it disapeared. To me its unidentified but i dont jump to the conclusion it was alien. Also in general people make terrible witnesses and our brains are easily tricked.


Well, to be clear, I haven't jumped to the conclusion that what I saw was alien either. I'm still waiting for an explanation I can accept though. It will have to exclude it was a man-made craft, while still explaining an apparent interaction between two objects, hover capabilities, and flight speeds far in excess of what we can achieve. While those combinations of factors that must be explained make natural processes hard to keep on the list, I have stayed open minded to the "totally unknown natural process" that may be revealed at a future date to explain my sighting.



posted on Jan, 21 2008 @ 06:25 AM
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What is this "Facts" you people are looking for?

Have you ever even looked into the history? There are been a couple of real powerful "facts" as historic evidence.

In the end, it will be how you define a "fact".



posted on Jul, 24 2008 @ 02:33 AM
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you can say it was an alien space craft.. but you know for certain it wasn't man made... lol that statement contradicts itself... if it wasn't man made what could it possibly be then? if not alien and not human whats left? animals?



posted on Jul, 24 2008 @ 02:37 AM
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Originally posted by Incarnated
What is this "Facts" you people are looking for?

Have you ever even looked into the history? There are been a couple of real powerful "facts" as historic evidence.

In the end, it will be how you define a "fact".


exactly.. and thats why I strongly believe the government isn't afraid anymore to put stuff about UFO's on CNN or television in general.. because they know if there presenting it to more than one person at a time.. it's a hell of alot easier to confuse people.... then all they have to do is put one guy on the show that doesnt believe in UFO's at all and that plays into everyones fear about looking like a nutjob for talking about aliens.. so on goes the uncertainty

you can look at all the evidence ya want.. unless you have a personal experience with something you can't truly understand or believe



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