Two Hundred Billion Barrels of Oil in North Dakota, page 3

reply to post by RedGolem

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It was action taken to prevent a gas shortage like we had during harvest this year.

Here is some more coal gas info in reference to a question I asked king about it.

High prices of oil and natural gas are leading to increased interest in "BTU Conversion" technologies such as gasification, methanation and liquefaction.

Coal gasification breaks down the coal into its components, usually by subjecting it to high temperature and pressure, using steam and measured amounts of oxygen. This leads to the production of syngas, a mixture mainly consisting of carbon monoxide (CO) and hydrogen (H2).

In the past, coal was converted to make coal gas, which was piped to customers to burn for illumination, heating, and cooking. At present, the safer natural gas is used instead. South Africa still uses gasification of coal for much of its petrochemical needs.

Coals can also be converted into liquid fuels like gasoline or diesel by several different processes. The Fischer-Tropsch process of indirect synthesis of liquid hydrocarbons was used in Nazi Germany for many years and is today used by Sasol in South Africa. Coal would be gasified to make syngas (a balanced purified mixture of CO and H2 gas) and the syngas condensed using Fischer-Tropsch catalysts to make light hydrocarbons which are further processed into gasoline and diesel. Syngas can also be converted to methanol, which can be used as a fuel, fuel additive, or further processed into gasoline via the Mobil M-gas process.

A direct liquefaction process Bergius process (liquefaction by hydrogenation) is also available but has not been used outside Germany, where such processes were operated both during World War I and World War II. SASOL in South Africa has experimented with direct hydrogenation. Several other direct liquefaction processes have been developed, among these being the SRC-I and SRC-II (Solvent Refined Coal) processes developed by Gulf Oil and implemented as pilot plants in the United States in the 1960s and 1970s.[9]

Another direct hydrogenation process was explored by the NUS Corporation in 1976 and patented by Wilburn C. Schroeder. The process involved dried, pulverized coal mixed with roughly 1wt% molybdenum catalysts. Hydrogenation occurred by use of high temperature and pressure synthesis gas produced in a separate gasifier. The process ultimately yielded a synthetic crude product, Naphtha, a limited amount of C3/C4 gas, light-medium weight liquids (C5-C10) suitable for use as fuels, small amounts of NH3 and significant amounts of CO2.[10]

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reply to post by RedGolem

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See told I didn't know much about it lol. I know we sent a bunch of people from our experimental plants to South Africa. Then the South Africans came to see ours. I guess it was a show and tell. This was many years ago tho.

reply to post by cyberchase

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This is not Bush's call. This is the over zealous enviornmentalist fault. Good intentioned as they maybe they will run this country into a 1990's Russia or worse.

Originally posted by biggie smalls
reply to post by RedGolem

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Why do we need oil?

I'm sorry, but I'm confused.

Technologies exist now on the cheap for everyone to be using clean cheap energy without the environmental cost of destroying the planet.

In case you are uneducated about what I'm talking about, I'd suggest you do your own homework and look up: Solar, wind, geothermal, biodiesel, and other fuel sources.

We do NOT need to keep drilling.

You don't have to be an environmentalists to realize this is a bad idea.

The oil and coal is going to run out sooner rather than later.

Why are we relying on a nonrenewable energy source?

If you really care about reducing/cutting our dependency on foreign oil, invest your time and energy (and money) into renewable resources.

You will do your children and their children and their children a great favor in case we actually need coal, oil, and natural gas for some odd reason.

How are poor people going to get these cars? If they can barely buy the gasoline to put into their cars, don't you think a brand new car is out of reach? With the housing market situation, there are tons of people that cannot take out a loan against their house and banks are not wanting to give out loans.

But if you have around 30k lying around then I guess you are alright. Or if you are a congressman, I guess you will be fine too. I guess the rich can take advantage of your fancy environment-friendly fuels. The rest of us need oil still, at least until we get out of debt.

[edit on 18-7-2008 by SFXBrandon]

reply to post by ColdWater

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Your math is WAY the frick off. 200,000,000,000 divided by 20,000,000 is 10,000. That's more than 27 years of oil.

reply to post by biggie smalls

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You have no idea what you are talking about. If it was so cheap and easy there would be 50 companies or people trying to do it right now.

It won't work for 10 to 20 years. what do you do in the mean time.????
Pay $10.00 a gallon .

Wake up Drill now or learn to speak Chinesse.

And they say that drug addiction is a problem.

I differ with that opinion....OIL is more addictive than drugs and is FAR more of a problem than any drug in exsistance.

Isnt it time to power the world with something more moden and with the times????



CMON America!! LET GO OF THE OIL ADDICTING I.V.!!!!



Cheers!!!!

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