[HOAX]Michael Horns Billy Meier photos[HOAX] from C2C tonight

Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23

Originally posted by OSSkyWatcher
did you forget you said you would provide one piece of evidence and asked if i would consider it?

Granted the fake looking plastic gun could be real. However there is the matter of Billy's time traveling adventure. He took a total of 10 pictures while on that trip. One was later found to be a pic from a magazine.

Would you consider this as evidence of hoax:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

How dare you waste as much time as I have re-re-reproving the Billy Meier hoax my freind ~

heck yes i would but i am trying to find out when that picture was painted

before or after billys photos

"Life Before Man" by Spinar & Burian published by Crescent. The sub-title reads "The fascinating story of the evolution of living things on our earth: with 162 illustrations in color". The painting is by artist Zdenek Burian and had to have been painted before 1971 specifically for the book. "


so that still leaves his non cake ufo pics

they look like genuine ufo pics

if i had access to a long distance phone line i would have called in C2C to ask Michael about this stuff myself

maybe he will show up here or maybe i can google a statement on the dinosaur pictures




MH: Your information is second hand and faulty. Re the dinosaur photos I do come down on the side that questions their validity, only because I cannot prove them real (and there are a number of them and they haven�t been connected to any movie I know of) and it�s such an amazing thing to contemplate that they even could be real. As I have long maintained, there are things I can prove and things that remain speculative.




[edit on 21-1-2008 by OSSkyWatcher]

Originally posted by mazzroth

Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23

Originally posted by OSSkyWatcher
did you forget you said you would provide one piece of evidence and asked if i would consider it?

Granted the fake looking plastic gun could be real. However there is the matter of Billy's time traveling adventure. He took a total of 10 pictures while on that trip. One was later found to be a pic from a magazine.

Would you consider this as evidence of hoax:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

How dare you waste as much time as I have re-re-reproving the Billy Meier hoax my freind ~

tune me out "mate" you didn't provide a god damn thing so tune me out "mate" you waited for someone else to do your work

your youtube video was pathetic


[edit on 21-1-2008 by OSSkyWatcher]

[edit on 21-1-2008 by OSSkyWatcher]

nobody bothered to check out the car with the corrosion and his ufo photos for the most part all look legit

jeffs photos look legit too, but so what you can fake many things in pictures


everyone here must see the difference in the ufo photos basically all of billys photos that are not the wedding cake ones look legit

the wedding cake ones are horrible though

cause jeff can fake a ufo doesn't mean billys are fake, but his wedding cake ufo's do not look legit at all

[edit on 21-1-2008 by OSSkyWatcher]

appeared on the hood of the car between June 25 and 26, 2004.

so in 2004 nobody bothered to run a few simple tests on the corroded metals?

[edit on 21-1-2008 by OSSkyWatcher]

ok C2C is over, time for bed, "mate" next time don't be so lazy do some of your own research it's not hard with google

personally i feel that to fully debunk billy you would have to test the car metal and that should be that

These images and the story have been proved to be fake, just look at this evidence:


thebiggestsecret.online.fr...


Anyone with an ounce of common sense would realise these are fake, just go with your gut feeling on this one.

Nothing to see here…

It seems you are trying REALLY hard to convince yourself that meier isnt a fraud. You also have some obsession with testing the car finger prints while you completely ignore all other evidence. The pterodactyl painting and the laughably bad "ray gun" should be evidence enough.

what has been proven is that the wedding cake photos are horrible and i think they are a fake

the dinosaur was too

but the other ufo's have not been proven to be fakes, just cause you can reconstruct something 30 years later on doesn't make its fake, some of them look no more fake than a lot of photos many people believe to be real

also nobody bothered to test the metal on the cars

it would have been easy to do that

well i don't think you have taken a science class, testing the corrosion on the car would prove what happened to it, if it was an alien races oil from their hands then the results wouldn't be right, there should be something off or weird about the test results





[edit on 21-1-2008 by OSSkyWatcher]

Get your Ray Guns here…

www.marknagata.com...

Here is some information that I think everyone should read. Very interesting info.

www.theyfly.com...

Also a ton of information on how some of his photos were tested

www.theyfly.com...

[edit on 21-1-2008 by bakednutz]

Originally posted by OSSkyWatcher

Originally posted by mazzroth
Billy "cake tin" Meier is a proven fake and the real mystery surrounding this man is why he is doing all of this ?

so if he's a proven fake why are C2C wasting their time tonight?

and can i see the proof?

C2C has a lot of time to fill, that's why. You try coming up with a new show every night, lol. And they are not an investigative show, worried about the true validity of their content, they are nothing more than an entertainment program. It's people who take them further than they take themselves that are the real issue here.....

[edit on 21-1-2008 by IgnoreTheFacts]

I believe that something did happen to Meier a long time ago and he maybe did catch a couple of stills, BUT from there it has just turned into something completely different. The ultimate thing i ask myself is, why would you delve into this case too much when you see so many fake photographs created by Billy?

If something genuine did happen all those years ago he shot it to hell by trying to elaborate it further by making wedding cake models out of dustbin lids and wire, his cult following is highly suspect too in my honest opinion. It's like someone telling a partial truth in the beginning and before they know it it's got out of hand and they have to ride with it, and make some cash on the way.

well said Ignorethefacts!

CTC are just re-visiting old stuff and presenting it as new because they have nothing current to talk about, this should be resigned to the bin.

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by mazzroth

Billy "cake tin" Meier is a proven fake and the real mystery surrounding this man is why he is doing all of this ?

Thanks for the post mazzroth. I disagree that Billy "cake tin" Meier has been proven a fake.

Thanks for your post, John, millions of people, the majotity of ATS, most of the UFO community and pretty much anyone with an open mind disagrees with you and agrees that Meier and Horn are huge fakes.

Those who have allegedly proven him a fake have only done so with alleged findings of nuts and bolts and shelving pins allegedly found on second, third or fourth generation photos posted on the web.

Actually , those that have proven him wrong have done so with computer analasys that shows strings, indisputable proof that his "wedding cake" ufos were garbage can lids, witnesses saying he faked his photots(his own wife) and his predictions are proven to be wrong and made with available information at the time(most of the time wrong).

Your "second, third or forth generation" photos comment is reciculous as Meier has never ever ever presented his originals or the negatives to the public.

No one allegedly finding Billy Meiers as a fake have ever been to Switzerland or ever talked to Bill Meiers face to face.

Becasue in order to get a face to face with Meier, you need to be in his cult and have "donated" thousands and thousands of dollars to them.

But thanks for your post, as uninformed and lacking of facts as it may be.

But, as always, thanks for your post , John, as uninformed and intentionally misleading as it may have been.

A few things about Billy and how people treat the case:
1 - people use the same tired links that people say prove him as being a hoax. There have been hundreds of photos and a few that people have chosen to use as proof while providing a nice sounding scenario does NOT disproove hundreds of others.

2: you should watch videos of the people in his town and what they have seen. fthose are the most important testimony's as they were THERE and unrelated to his cause

3: his wife: funny how people keep saying she ratted him out. After they divorced, instead of proving anything was a hoax or describing how he did it, she mentioned that she noticed a trash can lid that looked like the ship. That's proof? If you watch testimony from the other family members, they are confused and upset that she did that. Especially as a family unit they have all experienced things together. Other than that, the wife has no explanation of HOW he did anything. Only ramblings of a pissed off wife for some reason we don't know.

4: There is no other case like his in the scope and longevity. He's had metal samples confirmed to be
not normal" sounds unable to be identified, hundreds of photos that can't be debunked and he teaches nothing other than to be a good person and to be a good person you must know yourself and follow the path of being good to others.

5: his "raygun" it looks hoaky.. so what? The actualy construction of it is interesting and the hole it made has been unable to be duplicated as far as I know.

6: I've read BOOKS condemning and BOOKS promoting. His story FAR outweighs anyone trying to label him a hoax.

7: His story is a long one and many people have been working against him, stolen rom him, lied on him etc.. so all the info that is out there my be corrupted which is another reason to learn about him on a a larger scale than just a few tidbits of info. The amazing story reveals itself from the words of others that have been with him during his life.

sure, think I'm a nut, but unless you spend a great amount of time trying to get past everyone's agenda, you won't know the truth in your gut. You'll just know the truth according to what only a few have told you.

--- I'm not sure what the complete agenda of the folks that have communicated with him are so from his story I take the greater part of the meat and am still mulling the bones. the teachings I listen to and try to pattern myself after them.

unfortunately, gaiguys.net has been shut down and they were the only ones that hosted the 40 directives that I refer to.. I have them saved though and will try to find and post.

b
edited to say one thing on top of all that -- I can't stand Horn either to tell the truth. Horn is not the message though.

[edit on 21-1-2008 by Bspiracy]

Originally posted by OSSkyWatcher
meiercase.0x2a.info...

^^ that one looks very harder to fake though cause of the sunlight

G'morning.

That one, like many others are shot into the sun. This is a common tactic to further hide, or obliterate the line/string/whatever, holding the model.

btw, since someone mentions the oooh ahhh, "undentified beamship sounds"...this is from my investigation notes from awhile back:
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Sound Recording

I wrote Nils Rognerud who is listed as one of the sound engineers who listened to the Meier beamship sounds, and his responses to me sounded very much like someone who essentially wanted the evidence to be real representation of aliens craft sounds. "I want to believe that Bully Meier is telling the truth" (verbatim). I mentioned to him about the aspect that I believed the sounds were generated through and old tape delay guitar effect box, an amp and mic. One can hear listening to the tape on Michael Horn's site, that there is hardly any sound at all at the start of the mp3 file. A "Knock" is heard that sounds metallic. It echoes, and from that echo sound, the warbling feedback ensues. Feedback coupled with a delay effect needs some base sound to "set it off" essentially, and begin the loop of feedback layering over itself, over and over. The knock does this by beginning the feedback and the delay gives it the layered sound by playing itself over "in echo" while the feedback is continuing. I asked Nils what he said to that. His answer was surprising: "I have never tried the feedback technique you mention, so I can not confirm or deny the possibilities with this sound technique." So I have to say a sound engineer not knowing very much about what delayed feedback sounds like rather puzzles me.

I contacted SAE Institute, a sound engineering institute located all over the world, but I called the Nashville area and spoke with Justin Spence, who is the sound engineer and course coordinator for SAE. I sent him the mp3 file on Michael's site and asked him his opinion on the sound's creation, and the fact that this was recorded in the 1970's. I mentioned to me that I believed it was a tape delay echo in feedback.

"I completely agree with you", he said, and further stated there was reverb used as well, a fairly standard amp component. Justin commented he thought there could possibly be another effect in there, but wasn't sure as the sound was of such poor quality. He said the "knock" was very obviously a tap on reverb springs to set off the feedback loop. He commented that he could create such a sound in 10 minutes with his equipment, but that the original wouldn't require anything sophisticated. It could be generated by the old equipment with slightly more difficulty due to many variables like distance of the input device to speaker, and setting of echo on the delay effect, amp, etc. Also mentioned was the 32 frequencies claimed detected with the beamship sound. Well, delay effects have used 32 comb filters, however Justin seriously questioned the validity that the tape recorder used could have captured such frequencies to begin with.

In essence, all needed items to make the sound were completely available to Meier to do this, and quite easily. It seems the sound engineers who've "analyzed" the sounds must have been prior believers in UFO contact cases or the Meier case, because the answer was very obvious to the sound engineer I spoke with.

To that end, I question the true validly of the claims of high level sound engineers deeming the sound so mysterious.
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[edit on 21-1-2008 by jritzmann]

From what i remember Meier stated that he is the only person on earth that is currently being visited by extra terrestrials and that everyone else who claims so is a hoaxer. So basically either he's right and everyone else is wrong, or he's a liar. Am i supposed to believe that every one of the hundreds of supposed contactees is a liar?

Regarding the fake photos, in my opinion either they are all real or they are all fake. If even one photo is proven fraudulent then that completely invalidates them all. You are either legit or a hoaxer, there is no in between.


I haven't looked up Meier in quite a while so please correct me if i'm wrong.

Sounds: -- duplicate it then if it's so easy. I would love to hear a reproduction and not somone describing a soup of styles they think would match. If they can duplicate it then he would be given many kudos across the world. Plus it may plant some seeds of doubt in my head. I already have some though so don't think I'm a 100% follower. Everyone has some sort of agenda.

Images: if one is debunked then all are? hrm.. that's such a hard topic to win either way. Nothing is still 100% debuked. Many aren't even close to being debunked.
I'm an image specialist myself and have been for the past 2 decades. From film to digital and everything in between. There are too many images that defy the"string" theory.

Contact: yes, he is the only one that they "speak" to, but is not the only one they have ever spoken to. This is where I say you have to listen to the people throughout his whole life.
Example of a "through" billy contact..
say you believe in the story and you want to become involved. So you go to Switzerland and you offer to work on the farm with them and shovel dung like they do every day. They won't trust you. Now let's say Billy comes up to you a week later and says: "OK, yer cool and are welcome to hang with us because in your life you have done THIS and THIS and THIS and THIS and it proves you are a good and honest human being." Now imagine the things that Billy tells you NO ONE on this earth knows.
It's been done..

No though, he isn't the ONLY person that has had contact with them. There have been a very select few who have also come forward to tell their story.

With this post I am outlining parts of a video .. 15th annual ufo congress.. I think "reopening of the Meier case" Been a while since I watched it.

b

Originally posted by Bspiracy
A few things about Billy and how people treat the case:
1 - people use the same tired links that people say prove him as being a hoax. There have been hundreds of photos and a few that people have chosen to use as proof while providing a nice sounding scenario does NOT disproove hundreds of others.

Please don't take offense, but what plausible reason is there to fake photo's used as evidence? If Billy Meier or anyone else presented 100 photographs to you and 5 were proven as fakes, would you really believe the other 95 were real? That defies logic to me.

2: you should watch videos of the people in his town and what they have seen. fthose are the most important testimony's as they were THERE and unrelated to his cause.

How do you know they're unrelated to his cause? Someone who's known to fake photo's can't fake a video?

4: There is no other case like his in the scope and longevity. He's had metal samples confirmed to be
not normal" sounds unable to be identified, hundreds of photos that can't be debunked and he teaches nothing other than to be a good person and to be a good person you must know yourself and follow the path of being good to others.

Again, how do you know he's had metal samples or sounds 'confirmed' to be 'not normal'? Because he says so? How can a sound be not normal by the way?

5: his "raygun" it looks hoaky.. so what? The actualy construction of it is interesting and the hole it made has been unable to be duplicated as far as I know.

Have you examined the hole, or is this again from the source that produced the fake photo's?

All I'm trying to say is that there's fakery involved in the Billy Meier story and there's no reason to fake part of it unless all of it's a fake.

Originally posted by Bspiracy
duplicate it then if it's so easy. I would love to hear a reproduction and not somone describing a soup of styles they think would match.

I think I've done quite enough thank you. It's not my job to do anything, and I've done more then most already to demonstrate what a load this case is. You go find out for yourself if all the information I give you isn't good enough for ya. If you're a sentient rational being, I'm confident you'll find exactly what I did.

So are you willing to do the work...or just sit and spout on a website?

EDIT: ya know, it just occurs to me I'm spending way too much time on the garbage in this thread. I said I was done with it, and I meant it. All the info and details I'm sure are still on ATS from back when Horn was here and got himself chucked out on his ear. Go read it.

I for one am not falling into inadvertently promoting this trash. George didnt let Horn really get away with his usual crap due to the data I sent to him before the show, which he referred to a lot. The fact that Horn did his usual end-run around the answers and shoved out more double talk should surprise no one.

Thats good. I can be satisfied with that.

Past that, who cares. For me it's a dead issue.

The one thing I want to mention is the removal of my duplicated pictures because I've gotten a lot of U2U's asking why I demanded that.

It's simple. Horn had no right to use them, on a site that is for all intent and purposes, his e-commerce site. I will not be a party to selling this garbage in *any* fashion.

Horn will go after those who use Meier's photos without permission, yet he felt the same rules did not apply to him. Now he knows different.

It had nothing to do with retracting my claims of how it was done, as he claims on his website. Nothing further from the truth. And you're getting this from the horses mouth. Me.

I really should take all the data I collected and put it on a website so people can just go there rather then me typing it all over and over. Maybe thats a good project for a rainy weekend.



[edit on 21-1-2008 by jritzmann]