I learned about the 2012 prophecy through the history channel when they did the special on the mayan civilization. As I researched more, the ancient Egyptians even predicted this same date as the end of the age. Both civilizations living at the same time in history but oceans apart with the same date. Of course the false prophet Nostradamus predicted the same date as doomsday. As a christian, I had to question the date and then I saw another show on history international about the "Bible Code Prophecies" and the things bible codes predict are so compelling. Predicting the Civil War, WW 1 & 2, 9-11, and 2012. The bible code prophecy states that on Dec. 21, 2012 a comet will head toward earth but the hand of God would stop it. This event may usher in the return of Christ but all of this is speculation. I just thought it was interesting how many different backgrounds predict the same date.

The Mayans were not Chrisitans. Their beliefs are based largely on astrology and mysticism. This is idolatry. The 2012 date is based on an astrolgical time table which should have no validity for Christian practitioners. Christians should be cautioned against falling for any new age beliefs such as the Mayan Calendar. It's folly and nonsense. True believers will know what to look for when the time comes.

Locoman8 wrote:

'As I researched more, the ancient Egyptians even predicted this same date (2012) as the end of the age.'

I would very much appreciate being directed to the source for this information. I have been researching Comparative Mythology and Cosmology for almost ten years now and have not come across any source material which suggests that the Egyptians had any calendrical system which mirrored the Mayan Calendar. Likewise I have not come across any source material which indicates that the Egyptians had insight into the significance of the current period i.e. circa 2012.

With regard to 2012 (re)entering into the wider consciousness, I would welcome being guided to any specific reference that pre-dates the publication of Jose Arguelles Mayan Factor.

In my DVD presentations, (The Hidden Agenda + Fool me once ...) I hypothesise that the 'Brotherhoods' have known about the significance of 2012 for millennia.

Ian R. Crane

Thanks Locoman. The Orion Prophecy is certainly interesting conjecture; conjecture which may indeed have some validity ... but as you correctly acknowledge it doesn't really count as 'source' data.

It is a massive, multi-dimensional jig-saw that we are trying to piece together and I readily acknowledge that some pieces will have to be put together by educated supposition and conjecture. That said, the more pieces that can be traced back to ancient source, the more likely it is that any subsequent supposition will be fairly close to the mark.

As for the poster who questioned the existence of Niburu/Planet X ... we must keep an open mind as to which dimension any 12th Planet may exist in. We also need to keep an open mind as to whether we are still all operating within the constraints of secular, empirical, material 3D consensus reality ... or some people are already 'bridging the worlds'.

Just a thought.

Ian R. Crane

Originally posted by Locoman8
And we all know you're a Ronald Weinland follower.

I'm no more a Ron Weinland follower than anybody who listened to the words or Jeremiah was a Jeremiah follower, or any of the prophets. Because I listen to somebody and agree that there is good chance they are telling the truth, doesn't make me their follower, besides, this has nothing to do with the topic at hand......

I don't hold no respect for "christians". They lie to themselves thinking they are the one's with the ticket to ride as a group. No Group will be making it. People from every group will do well while others from the same group will not do so well.

However it's easy to link the 2012 date to the Biblical book of revelation. This is done with the "Pope Prophecy" of Saint Malachie (sp.). He predicted 111 popes until the "dark pope" that would be in power at the biblical "end times" or "last days" of the book or revelation.

With the new pope we've capped off the 111th pope predicted. Being that the 112th pope was NOT NUMBERED, it is likely that the 111th pope could also be the "Dark Pope", or that the "Dark Pope" gets elected within the tribulation period. Now don't be confused by the term "Dark Pope" as it isn't a condition of being "evil" rather it's a statement that it is that pope that would be in power in the darkest days of the church.

Again I don't respect christians, nor any religion, however to understand the "full package" of 2012 you have to be willing to put all the pieces together. Only upon doing that well does the clearest understanding of the end times events unfold.

Have a happy end of the world!