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reply posted on 20-1-2008 @ 01:35 AM by Bluess
reply to post by TheAvenger


Ok... the first law of thermodynamics are being seen, as a law valid to all types of energy creation....this is false.

Source
The increase in the internal energy of a system is equal to the amount of energy added by heating the system, minus the amount lost as a result of the work done by the system on its surroundings.


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- The science of heat and temperature and of the laws governing the conversion of heat into mechanical, electrical, or chemical energy.

- Pertaining to motion connected with heat.


However in many of the electromagnetic devices claiming to have overunity or atleast be selfrunning, the outcome shows a cooling of the coils used instead of heat....
Also in many of the machines, when batteries are used as powersource, they tend to get overcharged and not discharged...
They are not making heat into energy or loosing energy into heat...

I suggest doing some tests of your own and look here at Jean-Louis Naudin's homepage jnaudin.free.fr, scroll down and see: "Magnetic motors researches" and "Electromagnetic devices researches"

I truly hate when people use the laws of thermodynamics to disprove machines not even using any of the substances made to determine that very law.

And to believe all and any possible experiment with electromagnetics, allready have been done is to be naive and blind also.

So...anyone using the laws of thermodynamics to disprove theese new discoveries, should be able to explaine the reason for overcharging of powersources while cooling down the coils in theese machines, before they open their mouths to spew out their beloved stoneage law!

If you can't...i suggest you stop refeering to the thermodynamics law.



reply posted on 20-1-2008 @ 07:50 AM by MrdDstrbr
reply to post by Now_Then


You may be right, but I still think there may be something to this concept.

The sheer volume of inventors who allegedly have had a working device, from Stubblefield, Tesla, Carr, Ring, Moray etc all the way to the present, plus the testimony of Disclosure Project witnesses that these devices do exist, plus the fact that there IS theoretical support for "zero point energy" or "vacuum energy" in mainstream physics.... these all suggest to me that these devices ARE possible.

But, they would be too much of a threat to the Oil/Fossil Fuels status quo....


reply posted on 20-1-2008 @ 08:33 AM by sty
be sure that we do not 100% understand the physics of of universe. Amazing resources can be found here:

www.rexresearch.com...

very good collection. I agree not all the stuff presented there is automatically true , but I am sure that at least a third of the described experiments can be reproduced at any time.



reply posted on 20-1-2008 @ 10:24 PM by biggie smalls
reply to post by TheAvenger


You should tell permaculturists the first law of thermodynamics because it seems we're breaking it ie put some work in, reap great rewards later on.

It would be nice to see a free energy system, but I don't think we'll have access to this type of thing anytime soon...The power companies wouldn't make any money off you; that wouldn't be very fair would it?


reply posted on 20-1-2008 @ 11:53 PM by gotrox
Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Originally posted by gotrox
I am positive that over-unity devices of all types are impossible.
But someone will eventually find a way to tap into the limitless sea of energy that abounds everywhere around us.
It's not "free" or "over unity", but making use of something already there.


Well that's exactly what overunity devices do, they tap into external energy sources, and produce more power than required to keep running. Wind, solar and hydroelectric generators are all overunity as they make use of external sources of energy. And these electromagnetic motors are overunity as well if they are tapping "zero point energy" or "energy from the vacuum".

Note to TheAvenger: A device that makes use of an external energy source is NOT classed as a "Perpetual Motion Machine", and it is NOT a violation of the laws of thermodynamics!


Ummmm---NOT. Wind, solar and hydro are all fairly innefficient, don't generate more energy than goes into them, and in no case can be called "over unity". The source of the generating energy is immaterial. To be called over unity, the quantity of exiting energy must be greater than the quantity of entering energy.
Don't confuse electricity with energy.

Even zero point or ionosphere or even tapping the earth magnetic field can't be called over unity or perpetual. Eventually, the sun will die, earth will lose it's field, and the universe will end.

Maybe a new term should be coined. "Practically perpetual" or "Practically over unity".


reply posted on 21-1-2008 @ 01:16 AM by eRauzed
reply to post by gotrox


We are talking in logical terms here. It would take a LONG time for zero point energy to run out. So long I don't even think its worth putting that point forward because its so far off in the future I don't think we have a number for it.
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