Koran a FAKE, page 4
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reply posted on 20-1-2008 @ 10:35 AM by kangjia57
Bahhh abit late on the thread,but its time for me to BANG Out all the Islam bashers.

Reply to jdposey

People can say whatever they want about the Bible but dare not breathe a word against the Koran or Allah.

Because The Quran hasn’t been re-written like the bible.The Text is Quran has stayed Pure (unchanged) since the Revelation.

Reply to dbates

Muslims also believe in Injeel, Tawrat, Zabur, & Qur'an. Tawraat being the Torah. Injeel being the Bible.

The injeel are the gospels. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Barnabas et al. (there are many gospels, some of which that are not included the New Testament.)

The whole of the Bible is written by men, the Torah by Moses, Zaboor by David, and the Injeel is the life of Jesus which was recorded by his Apostles.

The whole of the Bible is written by men, the Torah by Moses, Zaboor by David, and the Injeel is the life of Jesus which was recorded by his Apostles.

That is why the Qur'an supercedes all of these previous books; because it is the only 1 out of 4 the scriptures that are directly from God.Since the scriptures haven’t been changed and God has taken the reponsiblity to protect it,The Muslims are commanded to follow The Quran by God (Allah).

Reply to defcon365

I would say the Koran is simply a demonic created religon, and what a suprise, they war against Christians and Jews...

Jews and Christains War against Muslims Matey.

The below sites answers the other of BS you/others have written.

www.islamic-awareness.org...

answering-islam.org.uk...

answering-islam.org.uk...

Reply to Incarnated

Much of the Koran is FAKED!

Where is it faked? Show me evidnence.
Christianity is whats ‘fake’ Not Islam. You guys kept changing your scriptures to suit your needs every century.Now its turned into a liberal religion which accept all the inovations that have been made and being made.

IN the FAKEest aspect of the Koran, the book has angles doing other angel's jobs and such things that just don't happen.

So how do things happen in Christianity? Does the son of god come do all the little jobs?


reply posted on 20-1-2008 @ 12:20 PM by AshleyD
Originally posted by Fett Pinkus
You forgot one

Seems your getting a wee bit tense there Ashley so why not chill a bit?


I'm not remotely upset or tense. But why did you try to derail the thread again? What does textual inquiry of the Koran and its history have to do with the speed of light from the stars allowing them to be visible to earth? Nothing. It has it's own thread and belongs in that discussion.

Originally posted by babloyi
I'm sorry, but no interpretation of that sentence is correct in any way whatsoever. Muhammad never 'declared' a 'jihad' against 'Christians and Jews', and the 'slaughter' didn't 'ensue'.


I'll admit this has little to do with the textual history of the Koran so you don't have to dignify it with a response if you don't want to but I'll answer it. Instead of me spouting off endless links and derailing the topic, look into the sieges Mohamed ordained and led. This is history that cannot be denied. As much as I hate the Spanish Inquisition, I cannot deny it occurred. Yes, part of Mohammad's religious campaign was often soiled with violence.

His followers didn't pen down his revelations after his death. They were penned down during his life. They were just collected together after his death.


The general secular consensus is that the accounts were written after his death. To me it is irrelevant when they were written to be honest. But I know there is much disinformation about religions from secular scholars and historians so if you, a Muslim (?), say it is believed they were penned in his lifetime, I will believe you over them. Simply because people outside a certain religion are never going to know what is believed better than a member of that religion. It seems most teach the Koran was penned after Mohammad's life by his followers but I'm not going to argue something you believe. It's just a matter of respect.

Originally posted by raze78
Okay you hicks, explain this...


Hicks? Is that a remotely mature way to begin a post?

Originally posted by kangjia57
Christianity is whats ‘fake’ Not Islam. You guys kept changing your scriptures to suit your needs every century.Now its turned into a liberal religion which accept all the innovations that have been made and being made.


The scriptures have not been changed. Translations sometimes make some goofs but the Greek and Hebrew texts are there for anyone to examine them. But again, this is about the Bible and not the Koran. Answer the question instead of pointing everything back to something that the topic isn't even about.

And the "Koran being faked" is exactly what this thread is asking. Not saying it is without a doubt. But some evidence has come to light that makes this a possibility. Why can't we just question something? Is the Koran immune to textual criticism? It sure seems to be with this thread. Someone questions (or even makes a false accusation against) the Bible and they're given an "Atta Boy!" But someone makes a post just asking a question about the Koran and we're accused of being intolerant "bumbling idiots" who should just all "get along."


reply posted on 20-1-2008 @ 12:27 PM by Unlettered
In reply to the topic "Koran a FAKE", kindly check the Source

Below are some links of a very good lecture regarding the credibility of the Quran called "Is the Quran God's word".

Part 1:

www.youtube.com...

Part 2:

www.youtube.com...

Part 3:

www.youtube.com...

Part 4:

www.youtube.com...


reply posted on 20-1-2008 @ 12:27 PM by DeadFlagBlues
reply to post by heliosprime



Does young Jesus killing another boy for beating him in a foot race sound demonic? Does it sound of character for such a divine person? You must read up on your Gospel of St. Thomas before you go being the trial and jury for another "prophet." You can claim the faults of other religions having probably not read the book yourself, but here you are praising the name of a young murderer yourself.




reply posted on 20-1-2008 @ 12:30 PM by Quazga
Originally posted by jdposey
"But what if scholars can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the Koran was not dictated by the Archangel Gabriel to the Prophet Mohammad during the 7th century? What if there was proof that the holy book was actually redacted by later writers drawing on a variety of extant Christian and Jewish sources?"

Personally, I believe this is what exactly took place and that there was no divine revelations from Gabriel to Mohammad.

I also agree that this type of information will indeed infuriate the Muslim world and heads will go spinning or, falling, as has been the case in the past. People can say whatever they want about the Bible but dare not breathe a word against the Koran or Allah.



[edit on 19-1-2008 by jdposey]



Actually it really makes a lot of sense that the Koran was "Dictated" to Muhammed. What you have to remember was that there were lots of cases where a "gin" or genie, would talk to someone in these caves etc. This is a phenomena which we see today with things like the SETH series etc where people claim to receive information from an alien, a spirit, a diety, what have you. This goes for Enochian Communication as well. I've always believed this is what happened during the writing of the Koran. I myself have written several pieces in this fashion. Although I entertain the idea of this telepathic communication in order to write, I don't buy into the fact that I am actually communicating with another entity.

There is no reason to disblieve the claim that it was communicated by an Angel, or that Muhammed believed this to be true. What we need to do is understand what is occuring when someone of the mystical bent "receives communication" from some other "entitiy".


reply posted on 20-1-2008 @ 01:02 PM by mybigunit
reply to post by kangjia57



Once again Ill repeat Im not saying it is fake but you know something your one of the few who are open to discussion 98% of you guys are not you bring up any basis for discussion people get offended and apprehensive. I applaud you for having the ability to have an open discussion. I dont have evidence because I havent done enough research on the issue but its good someone brings up the notion that it could be possible.
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