Pseudoskeptics and Disinformants on ATS

"Let the flower blossom before picking it".

Yes, but with your whole tone of voice and attitude it is obvious to me that you are not a disinfo-agent but simply interested in the truth of a matter.

Again, we are not talking about your usual skeptic here but about another phenomenon.

Want to start naming names?

I've got my scales and my rope ready for a witch hunt...

Not a "shred of evidence"? No more than 5 minutes of research?For the UFO topic, start by reviewing the threads of a member named Isaac Koi. Return here and tell me again there is not a shred of research done.
After reviewing those threads come back here and I will give you 1000+ more.

How dare some people keep claiming that we are not doing any research.

Again and again, I've seen post after post on this thread where someone claims they have seen disinformation agents in action in various threads. Just who are these nefarious agents?

It's time to put up or shut up. Start naming names. Provide the proof there are actually disinformation agents active in the forums.

This particular person you are talking about was a true disinfo agent, yes.

I too became aware of that after googling the name and realising that the person had been engaging in the same behaviour all day all over the internet, not only on ATS.

While I will not be naming names here, I know exactly who you are talking about and would say you are right.

This ATS thing is becoming very popular, internet-opinion is becoming more relevant...which is why governments and special-interest groups might feel that information has to be "contained" and "controlled" to some extent. This is open procedure in china, and here in the U.S. its the same procedure but they dont do it openly.

reply to post by SaviorComplex

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I'm not going to name any names because this is not 1950 something and we are not trying to blacklist anyone. However, as stated previously, you can go into any thread about 9/11, freemasons or UFOs and see the handiwork.

Again, the purpose of this thread is to draw a distinction between a real skeptic and someone who has an agenda. You seem to have an agenda.

ATS is a powerful tool to influence public opinion.

If millions read "UFOs seen" a disinfo-agent would have to see to it that millions also read the reply post "UFOs not seen!".

I dont think its MUCH of a threat (yet) but I do think it exists.

I wonder how many websites deliberately place devils advocates into threads in order to help them along

I dont want to start a witchhunt and I wont be naming names, except this one who no longer seems to be at ATS. Another ATS member once drew my attention to someone who was spending a disproportionate amount of time posting pro-government and pro-official-reality-version information on ATS:

Notice the opening post and then click on the guys profile and notice the rest of his posts. Also notice the tell-tale screenname:

Possible Example


I am not saying this guy is a disinfo agent, only want to give a possible example of what we mean by our suspicions in this thread.

Alan Watt, Reality Check. The cure for the common ATS thread (including this one)

video.google.com...

Oh, and if you're curious about how Santa comes from the Amanita Muscaria, download James Arthur's "Mushrooms and Mankind"

If you think aliens and reptiles are coming in 2012, www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com

The internet is mostly controlled... all sites of any influence. WWW = 666 in ASCII numerology. Why do you think Rockefeller has those huge spider statues crawling over us in NY and Hague? Why do "weaving spiders" come not to Bohemian Grove? Or as the band Corporate Avenger says "It's all just a web of lies, attorneys are spiders and we are flies."

reply to post by Skyfloating

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Hi Skyfloating,
I am not even one full year at ATS, and already are convinced that what you are saying is highly possible if so not a reality.
But knowing that almost everything what can be monitored is monitored, and also knowing that you and I in reality can nothing doing about it, the only important thing that I can do about it is to keep that fact in the back of my mind.

I have had so far two times suspicions of the true purpose of a poster.
But in order of an earlier answer you make on a remark of my in another thread, I go no further then just gentle speculation and inquisitive chit chat.

reply to post by spacevisitor

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You were the poster that put my attention to "Cat Herder", right? I had forgotten your name, but I remember now.

reply to post by Skyfloating

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The key element of this post is that if a critic of a post uses anykind of exclamation akin to "This is total bunk!", then they are to be ignored more than the original poster, regardless of how outlandish the original claim might be.

There are lots of people who want things to be true, like the supposed face on mars, which I have seen no evidence to prove it anything other than a natural geological formation. And even though, I am convinced that the mind works on isomorphic pattern recognition and remind myself of this often, there are lots of people who are duped by this in themselves.

Even still, This has to be my skeptical take. To say the following:

1. Other than "Wow that could look like a face", there is no evidence to support the fact a face actually was built.
2. Responding to number 1 with "But of course, thats because of the suppression of info by nasa and the gov", doesn't help anyone's claim that these are faces, it merely supports an isolationist perspective that causes others to forget the scientific method.
3.Ask for more evidence besides "Dude.. can't you see that it's really there?"


Other than than, ranting about the claim made doesn't really support my skeptical nature, it only creates a "pissing contest" between myself and the person who made the claim.

Really what's required here is for moderators to enforce this. Always remove any reply which reeks of personal opinion and has no actual scientific merit. Now notice I said, "reply" Original Posters should have he ability to make whatever claims they feel they have a good hypothesis about. However, any reply that simply says "You are an idiot" or the like should be removed, period. If you post a reply that actually has good data in it, but also lashes out at the OP, then it will simply be removed. So make sure that your good data isn't peppered with emotional responses.

Thank you OP for this thread.

It's sooooo needed.

No, I don't think so. UFOs never just land in people's backyards, but if one did then i'm sure a lot of people would believe it. 'Proof' is a touchy word here on ATS because we have so many people turning up with their apparent 'proof' which just turns out to be some fake picture or just a photo of a blurry light. Thus the definition of 'proof' has got a lot stricter, and people get off and flamey a lot quicker when a new thread doesn't immediately look up to standard.

Anyway I guess it still fits in with disinfo, but what annoys me even more is the amount of stupid threads we get here from new members just like; "i am a time traveller from another planet, I know much more than you", etc. Any serious visitor to this site is going to see these sort of threads and think that we're all lunatics, and dismiss the whole site and anything on it as crazy. I think that does even more harm than 'disinfo agents', because it ridicules us in the public eye.

I was watching a conspiracies TV program the other day that did exactly the same thing. They discussed valid conspiracies like JFK, UFOs, 9/11, etc, and then mixed them in with a load of outrageously crazy theories that i'd never even heard of, clearly so that a neutral viewer would just throw all of the conspiracies in the same bag and dismiss them all as crazy. This is more dangerous IMO, because it makes the public think that anyone who discusses 9/11, JFK or any type of government-corruption must be a nutter.



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[edit on 20/1/08 by JAK]

Awesome... Talk about knocking one out of the park. I've never thought of this thinking / debating technique in these specific terms. Excellent analysis.

I've been on this board for only a week, and I've already concluded this, too.

reply to post by MrdDstrbr

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yes, basically they dont have any real,good, practical input on threats.
(even a pseudosceptic is different i guess):

its all just massive strawfire to get you distracted, worried, diverted..
its all about what you think. they want to C O N T R O L you.

do you really think that in these important years the biggest ´conspiracy´site
would NOT be infiltrated?

or maybe they just want you to see their side of the argument?

there are a lot of people on here with valid points, but if it doesn't fit into someone's conspiracy they are just labeled 'sheep' and told to go back to their TV set.

Come on, there has to be a bit of a balance between for/against arguments otherwise everyone on this site would just believe in reptilians and moon base theories without rationally questioning them. Surely that's just as bad as believing everything the TV says?

P.S. don't just label me a 'disinfo agent' now because I don't outright agree with your theories without even questioning them. that would just prove my point.

[edit on 20/1/2008 by malganis]