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Should Gays be allowed to adopt?

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posted on Dec, 13 2002 @ 01:48 PM
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After seeing how well FreeMasons' ''Should Gays be allowed to marry?'' has gone well, I thought about a new one. ''Should Gays be allowed to adopt?'' I say yes, because what good reason is there to say that thery can't? I mean since they are differnt does not mean they can't adopt a child that they will love.




posted on Dec, 13 2002 @ 02:07 PM
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I keep reading this as: "Should GREYS be allowed to marry?" and "Should GREYS be allowed to adopt?"

I have no problem with gays marrying and/or adopting, but I think I have some issues with Greys marrying and/or adopting.

Besides the obvious physical limitations of the males, that is....



posted on Dec, 13 2002 @ 03:01 PM
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I agree with you...I see no reason why Gay people can't adopt or get married. Theres enough loveless marriages and families amongst Hetros...so even Hetros aren't without flaw when it comes to marriage and families.

Not getting at you or anything, but as for topics asking "Should Gays be allowed to...", how about peeps ask "Should Gay people be allowed to live their lives with people asking 'Should Gays be allowed to...'"



Peace,
ALIEN

[Edited on 13-12-2002 by alien]



posted on Dec, 13 2002 @ 03:28 PM
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I disagree.I'm pretty liberal but gays should not be allowed to adopt.I don't really care about marriage so I didn't add to that thread that concerns two consenting adults and a piece of paper.Adoption involves the nurturing of a young and innocent child who should have the right to a well balance upbringing and to be quite frank that child could not receive that in a gay household.

I'm not drawing a relationship between Homosexuality and paedophilia because there is no relationship.I am not a homophobe and I am not a bigot.I just do not believe it is in the childs interests and after all that is the most important issue.



posted on Dec, 13 2002 @ 04:09 PM
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I also have my reservations about allowing gay couples adopt. I think children that have a mother and father in their lives have a necessary balance. I think a female/female couple might not be able to offer some things to a boy child for example, and similar of a guy/guy couple and a female daughter. I don't think it would have been the same for me to go camping and fishing with 2 moms rather than my father. There are just certain things I got from my dad that I didn't get from my mom and vice versa. What if a child had 2 moms and wanted to have a father in their life? - THAT would just be sad for the child!

Nor am I a homophone. I just have to wonder about the child in these situations and ESPECIALLY children that are in the position to be adopted.



posted on Dec, 13 2002 @ 04:11 PM
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But if they go to an adoption agency a female/female couple can adopt a little girl, and the same for a male'male couple. My conserative views are not affecting they way I think. Even if I was liberal I would think that too.



posted on Dec, 13 2002 @ 04:38 PM
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female/female couple adopt a little girl.
male/male couple adopt a little boy.

It is sexual segregation !

And I wonder what will do these kids, when they will be adults. Kids try allways to do like their parents.



posted on Dec, 13 2002 @ 04:40 PM
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sure they can pick. But 'picking' your child is just too weird for me. I think females need a father in their lives though as well.

Can't explain it. I mean, I picked out my dog.

Don't get me wrong - I am 100% sure there are gay couples could provide a great life for a child. Plus, on the other hand of what I said earlier, these kids that are being adopted are going to be in a better position after adopting. However, it's not like we know the long term affects of this. There are just so many considerations. Probably my biggest concern is if these kids WANT a father/mother in their life that they weren't given the chance to have.

It's a delicate issue and children are the only ones that will suffer from this. We needs lots of healthy debate on this subject.





[Edited on 14-12-2002 by Bob88]



posted on Dec, 13 2002 @ 04:50 PM
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I have mixed emotions about this subject.I think a mother/father is the best for a child.But I have seen parents take horrible care of their children.

So if they went to a home where they are loved and provided for I don't have a big problem with it.



posted on Dec, 13 2002 @ 04:57 PM
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What I am saying what is stopping a loving gay couple from adopting a child?



posted on Dec, 13 2002 @ 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by ultra_phoenix
And I wonder what will do these kids, when they will be adults. Kids try allways to do like their parents.

Uh...if kids always try do to like their parents, then we wouldn't ever have had any gay kids, would we?

I know you'll accuse me of being male-phobic again (lol, my boyfriend would get a kick of of that
), but children are most likely to be sexually assaulted by a STRAIGHT male, usually a member of their family or a close friend.

There's no link between homosexuality and pedophilia.

In fact, I'd like to point you to an interesting story about a place very close to my home. It's a small, "gay" town which is NOT happy about the arrival of a new resident: Rev. Paul Shanley, one of the accused pedophile priests. The overly child-friendly priest and his lawyer apparently thought "P-town" would be accepting of his deviations from societal norms.

NOT!


www.capecodonline.com...


[Edited on 14-12-2002 by St. Theresa]



posted on Dec, 13 2002 @ 10:23 PM
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You guys are assuming that nobody can step beyond our traditional bounds, and that gays might not have families with members of the opposite sex.

Lots of kids grow up in one-mom or one-dad households. More often the problems they have is from the one adult being "stretched too thin" to take care of all their needs. Little girls don't grow up oddly from having only a father and no mother figure, and vice-versa -- unless the parent has other issues.

But those would occur with straight people.

There's plenty of households where two sisters move in together to raise their kids together... that's not a lesbian couple, but it's an all-female adult situation.

And plenty of women hunt and fish. Plenty don't. I've known some manly-men who can cook well and who can even sew (and one who embroiders beautifully.)

I don't see how a kid in that kind of household would be hurt. They do need love, they do need attention ... and I don't see that we are so bound to single-sex roles.



posted on Dec, 14 2002 @ 03:08 AM
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Originally posted by St. Theresa

1) I know you'll accuse me of being male-phobic again (lol, my boyfriend would get a kick of of that
),

2) but children are most likely to be sexually assaulted by a STRAIGHT male, usually a member of their family or a close friend.

3) There's no link between homosexuality and pedophilia.

4) In fact, I'd like to point you to an interesting story about a place very close to my home. It's a small, "gay" town which is NOT happy about the arrival of a new resident: Rev. Paul Shanley, one of the accused pedophile priests. The overly child-friendly priest and his lawyer apparently thought "P-town" would be accepting of his deviations from societal norms.



1) I'll not accuse you , sorry.
I'm not a judge.

2) Yes I know. In my country, our statistics tell us the same thing. In 70% of the case, these assaults are commited by a familly member.


3) Really ? You are looking sure of you.

4) Who can be happy, except another evil man/woman, to see this evil man on his/her town ?



[Edited on 14-12-2002 by ultra_phoenix]



posted on Dec, 14 2002 @ 09:32 AM
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Theresa,I'm sure that U-P wouldn't be offended if I said that it is very easy to disagree with him.I have done on many occasions
but I believe you shouldn't duck important issues by questioning the lowest denominator.I know you came here from a site that discusses openly Anal Plugs and your views are very open minded but.........................

A childs upbringing is influenced by both nurture and nature.I know many gay men and women ,and every one will tell you of a time in their lives when they felt adrifted from society.Do not blame society.I personally had no real knowledge of homosexuality until I was around 12 years old.I think if many gay people are honest then they would not wish the experiences that they gained in their formative years(Self doubt,Guilt,Suicidal tendancies,Homophobia,and peer pressure to conform)on anybody,especially someone they loved.It is no good saying society is wrong.Society exists in the way it does.If homosexuality is made exceptable in the eyes of infants then there is a greater chance that that child may except homosexuality as an alternative lifestyle and with it all the emotional trauma that that brings.

There was a case recently of a lesbian couple who devised a way of having a deaf child.Do you think that is right to?

Finally I've read how you came here originally after F-D had posted on your other forum(I'd like to read some of his post lol.)I hope you are not a transitory poster and post here often.Your views are important and add a dimension to the debate.
I look forward to hearing your reply.

All the best JB.



posted on Dec, 14 2002 @ 09:35 AM
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Sorry not F-D,Freemason



posted on Dec, 14 2002 @ 09:45 AM
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Speaking as an adopted child, the idea of gay adoption is abhorent. I was lucky in that, I have 2 loving parents in a well off family. I can't imagine the ridicule and shame I would have suffered with gay parents. Having a perspective from both sexes during childhood is essential. I found that there were things I could tlak to my dad about and different things that Ii could talk to my mom about.

Whilst I don't believe in god, I do believe that if a gay couple can't have children naturally ( that includes IVF for lesbians ), then they shouldn't have them at all.



posted on Dec, 14 2002 @ 09:53 AM
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Thankyou M-S,That was exactly what I was,in my clumsy way,trying to say.



posted on Dec, 14 2002 @ 12:55 PM
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So since they are gay means that they can't have a child? We are doing what we did to the blacks 100 years ago.



posted on Dec, 14 2002 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by mad scientist
Speaking as an adopted child, the idea of gay adoption is abhorent. I was lucky in that, I have 2 loving parents in a well off family. I can't imagine the ridicule and shame I would have suffered with gay parents.

Ridicule and shame is a product of society's bigotry and intolerance. A white kid would have been ridiculed and shamed by having a black friend in the 50's or 60's. That doesn't make the discrimination right.

Religious zealots are running around in opposition to reproductive rights, citing adoption as the 100% cure-all alternative to abortion, yet, by the same token, they reduce the number of loving families available to abandoned children.

It's ridiculous. I hope I'm still alive when and if society becomes enlightened.

[Edited on 14-12-2002 by St. Theresa]



posted on Dec, 14 2002 @ 01:19 PM
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Discrimination is not right. We should not discriminate gays, transexuals, blacks, and other minoriteis since they are differnt.

God says '' Love thy neighbor.''




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