It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Take a good look at this picture. It's one of the most remarkable photographs ever taken. The tiny hand of a foetus reaches out from a mother's womb to clasp a surgeon's healing finger. It is, by the way, 21 weeks old, an age at which it could still be legally aborted. The tiny hand in the picture above belongs to a baby which is due to be born on December 28. It was taken during an operation in America recently. Paul Harris reports on a medical development in the control of the effects of spina bifida ... and on a picture which will reverberate through the on-going abortion debate here
Originally posted by MurderCityDevil
good lord that pic is so old and its not real whatsoever
rehash
close thread
Originally posted by MurderCityDevil
good lord that pic is so old and its not real whatsoever
Originally posted by AshleyD
but I'm not sure how it's a religious conspiracy. Most religions are against abortion. It's the secularists and humanists that reduce a budding human life to "a choice."
[edit on 1/18/2008 by AshleyD]
Originally posted by shihulud
To put it bluntly if a woman wants to have an abortion it is her right to do so. It is her body and if she doesn't want the child then not you or anyone else has the right to tell her otherwise.
Well not really, that child could die anyway. In fact most of the time pregnancies are self terminated by the body anyway.
Originally posted by AshleyD
Originally posted by shihulud
To put it bluntly if a woman wants to have an abortion it is her right to do so. It is her body and if she doesn't want the child then not you or anyone else has the right to tell her otherwise.
What about the baby's body growing inside of her? Does it not have any rights?
what about when the mothers life is at risk? or the child has severe disabilities etc - is abortion allowed in any case in your view?
Statistically, rape and incest make up 2% of reported abortions (possibly more if the victim is ashamed and does not want to admit to such causes of the pregnancy which is understandable).
98% of abortions come down to not wanting the child to interfere with life, finances, education, and relationships.
As I said it is the right of the individual to make that choice whether you like it or not and however much you disagree is immaterial.
That is truly sad. To commit a murder because the life is inconvenient to you. When will people wake up?
Pro-abortion is a religion...
Originally posted by shihulud
what about when the mothers life is at risk? or the child has severe disabilities etc - is abortion allowed in any case in your view?
Originally posted by darkelf
There are valid reasons for a doctor to perform an abortion. However, I feel that abortion should not be utilized as a method of birth control. If people are going to engage in sexual activity, they should be responsible enough to take precautions.
Originally posted by Lilitu
Capital Punishment... Do you think it matters if a convict feels pain or suffers while he/she is being aborted - um ah - executed?
But the main point is: They committed a crime. What did an innocent baby do?
Originally posted by Lilitu
Yes the convict committed a crime and deserved execution just like your jesus committed a capital offence and deserved getting nailed. The "innocent" baby didn't do anything. Only living, thinking feeling individuals can experience life and do things but this is beside the point. You cannot have it both ways. You are either pro-life or you are pro-death (sorry for thinking in a bi-polar manner but that is the cognitive style most christians exhibit). I think christians are and always have been pro-death. The symbol of that deadly religion says it all and their history abundantly confirms it.
Originally posted by AshleyD
Your religious bias against Christianity is noted but can we please discuss abortion without insulting a belief system or making wide generalizations that all Christians and only Christians are against abortion or for the death penalty? It is a total stereotype and not to mention ignorant.
Originally posted by AshleyDYou went off on a tangent against Christianity being "pro death" which is totally irrelevant, ignorant, and stereotypical.
Originally posted by AshleyDIf you can stick to the topic instead of bringing religion into this and acting ignorant and generalizing, it would be wonderful. Many thanks in advance.
The "pro-life" movement isn't about valuing life at all. It's not about babies, and it's certainly not about any other born humans. It's about social control, and dictating your sexual choices. Life has almost nothing to do with it -- rather, it's about limiting personal and sexual choices as much as possible, and using legal and legislative means to insure that there's only one choice available to everyone: Sex within the context of a heterosexual marriage for procreative purposes only.
This is part of the reason why they go after groups like Planned Parenthood. Yes, Planned Parenthood provides abortions at some of its locations -- but the organization dedicates far greater resources to education, healthcare and pregnancy-prevention programs. They just refuse to tell their clients that there's only one best way to live, and if you make choices that differ from a very narrow ideal, then you deserve the "consequences."
And the consequences of anti-choice policies are obvious. They cause more uninteded pregnancies, and therefore more abortions, than they prevent. They put women and girls in desperate situations, sometimes with tragic results. They kill women and girls around the world.