No mate nothing to do with the "thousand of alien spaceships in orbit" hoax.

Arthur C. Clarke has a long history of publicly being a straight down the line debunker then making gaffes like his reference to the forests of Mars or the actual artefact found on the Moon, etc. so he is a better choice for this thread than you may realise.

Originally posted by Shar_Chiwhy would you be different? (I asked the same q to Greer for the upcoming interview)

I'm not different except that I bothered to go through channels and ask what I could say instead of racing off to spill my guts unprofessionally. Also a cultural change has swept through to some extent, and new stuff will soon make the old stuff "obsolete" as strategic secrets. Secrets are the real currency of the NWO.

Aye, so you are dropping clues on stuff you seem genuinely sold on (which is what will inevitably draw the Titor / Lear comparisons). How do you approach the stuff you become privy to, knowing the sheer reams of active / passive disinfo even on your 'side of the fence'? At what point do you say to yourself, "OK well that's the real deal!"?

I'm just thinking what I would do strategically if I was in charge of prohibiting or disseminating sensitive info. I'd circulate some stuff within the rank and file purely to see what pops up, as a trace to see how far people can be trusted prior to accessing other levels of classification. Then I'd certainly circulate contradictory stuff just to obfuscate things. And then there's the 'real' stuff to deal with...

Originally posted by mazzroth
but my skeptic mind now kicks in and see's certain patterns that other sham artist use to fleece people and just at the appropriate point mention..."Oh did I tell you I have a DVD or a book that you can buy"........is this coming ?

"other" sham artist? Mate. I am not a "sham" artist. I just got tired of reading all the crap on ATS.

And no, there's no book or DVD or anything to do with this coming out. I research anyway, the director types make the docos and features and stuff like that.

I agree with you there, if a "spaceship" doesn't accidentally fall on a news station nothing will change at all! The citizens have to demand change and not rely on other persons to do it for them. If they really want change they should march with millions to the place and demand a civil investigation. But we all know that will never happen.

Like you said they will deliberately "leak" bit per bit out. And before we know it flying "saucers" are as real as your car outside and no one would care anymore and nothing would have changed in the world. Since the people who had the power still have it and the big companies who had the edge in the economy still have it. My point is if the citizens don't fight back then they will be beaten to a punch while sleeping.

We can talk nice words on this forum how the governments are acting wrong and what not, but we always want someone/something else to fix it for us while we stay in our lazy couch.

It would be possible on a forum like ATS if the threads were swept clean to do a detailed analysis exactly like the agencies do, only in public.

The problem lies in what makes ATS great- its diversity. Diversity here embraces viewpoints that are not just fringe but in some cases either deliberate deceit or insanity. Having those contributions around seems to derail a lot of the factual threads and then people give up.

But what an impossible job it is to police forums!

Doghead quick question -

Are Ascension & Diego Garcia under the same command as PG?

I can't believe people are actually buying this guy's story. "I've been given permission to leak certain facts about proof of alien life by Pine Gap to the public - oh, but I'm not allowed to give my identity." If you have clearence to tell people something, there's no reason to have to hide your identity.

But keep on believing, people. Until this guy tells us who he is and proves it, everything he says is absolute b.s.

What you say just doesn't make sense from the point of view of having any level of real clearance.

A simple example- a mission might get declassified or leaked but if the guys who went on it are still not the most popular people in a particular country their identity might never be revealed.

I totally agree that evidence for anything at Pine Gap (or anywhere else truly secret) is thin on the ground... That is the nature of the beast. And anything still operational and secret is not something to be voluntarily revealed informally ANYWHERE. Not in my experience.

But keep on believing, people. Until this guy tells us who he is and proves it, everything he says is absolute b.s.

That IS the funny part. He tells enough about himself, that you only have to call his neighbour, if you want to know, if he is true.

I called his neighbour. She said, he doesn't leave his house too often. ;-)

[edit on 3-2-2008 by Siddharta]

You called SHIRLEY?

well the first step in my opinion is to get those that are concealing these things to admit active denial. By that I mean instead of them saying people are crazy, but actually admitting they are coving things up.

Originally posted by DogHead
You called SHIRLEY?

At least you don't ask me, if I called dopefish...

I wish, you would stop that Dr.Mabuse part. I think, we could like each other and share some laughters.

In joke. SHIRLEY is an acronym. Or the nickname of an acronym. Let's move on.

Originally posted by timb3r
Doghead quick question -

Are Ascension & Diego Garcia under the same command as PG?

My question stands.

Originally posted by DogHead
In joke. SHIRLEY is an acronym. Or the nickname of an acronym. Let's move on.

Sorry to sidetrack again,

but your neighbour told me, that Shirley is nothing but a naive woman in the states.

And your neighbour sounds very reliable.

O-K...

Way to derail a thread mate.