Hear ye, Hear ye, School is in Session!
Originally posted by XcLuciFer
Does this sound like a real loving God?
The bits you've quoted do not make him seem loving, no, all they really show is that "Jehovah" gets Jealous as well as Angry when his laws aren't
followed, especially so when HE isn't followed by his "chosen people", who break the most impotant commandment, which is worse than murder, and
that is to worship a God other than "Jehovah". In your examples, it is all Old Testament, and it is all from a couple of books that deal
specifically with the downfall of the people of Israel due to repeatedly disobeying God, worshipping Idols, not following the Commandments, and doing
all sorts of foul things apparently. So all you are showing is the climax, the peak of Anger from this God that has emotion. God has emotion? Well we
are made in God's likeness, as it is written.
So will I send upon you famine and evil beasts, and they shall bereave thee: and pestilence and blood shall pass through thee: and I will bring the
sword upon thee. I the Lord have spoken it. (Ezekiel 5:17)
This is prophecy that Ezekiel was given by God as he was fasting and prophecizing doom for the people of Israel due to their many transgressions as he
sit outside of Jerusalem, making bread with human excrement which symbolized something
to the people of Israel, I forget at the moment, lol.
I am the Lord and there is none else. I form the light and create the darkness, I make peace and create evil, I, the Lord, do all these things. (Book
I see nothing evil at all in this one. God does create both ends of the stick. God did create evil, in the sense that we know it. Because the hearts
of men must be tested, their faith has to be hardened, and men must have an opposite to "good" or, "doing the proper thing according to God",
because men have FREEWILL
. Freewill is the great thing which God gave us humans, we are unique among the animals in that we have ultimate free
will of choice and actions. So, if there were no evil, men would not have to be tested, faith wouldn't even MATTER because it would be impossible to
go down the "wrong path" because there'd be no wrong path, it wouldn't exist. The world would be "Utopia" as we define Utopia. It would also be
entirely systematic and devoid of all emotion, much like an ant colony. And you see, the Angels that fell from grace for disobeying God and refusing
to bow to / assist humans, as well as the Angels that fell for creating hybrid offspring with humans, were all created by God. Ultimately God knew
that they would disobey, perhaps he made them this way on purpose to ensure the rebellion. He may not have known that the Angels would mate with
humans, but I'm sure he did know that some Angels would rebel against him initially, lead by Satan or Beelzebub Lucifer or whatever you like to call
Obviously they, the Angels, were created with a sense of freewill also, because had they not, there would have been no rebellion nor any mating with
humans. So "good" Angels have the freewill to help mankind to the extent of the limits imposed on their being, created by God, just like we have our
limits as humans. The fallen or "evil" Angels have the freewill to test and tempt man, to add difficulty to his/her life, to do anything within the
extent of their abilities which are also limited and imposed by God who created them. Again this is Old Testament, real old, to inform the readers.
Old Testament is all Jewish works, discussing and prophecizing about the singular, One God which the Christians believe is their God as well, or
something along those lines, yet the Jews do not think in the same way. But just to let the readers know, Christianity did not exist during the
writing of any of these books that were quoted from.
Then shall ye know that I am the LORD, when their slain men shall be among their idols round about their altars, upon every high hill, in all the tops
of the mountains, and under every green tree, and under every thick oak, the place where they did offer sweet savor to all their idols... So will I
stetch out my hand upon them, and make the land desolate... and they shall know that I am the LORD. (Ezekiel 6:13-14)
Again, Old Testament, from Ezekiel's book in which he was prophecizing against Israel outside the walls of Jerusalem, fasting and doing all kinds of
very strange things. So according to the writer of the book, Ezekiel was told these things by God and wrote them as such. The context of the book is,
as I said, immediately before the downfall of the Israeli people. I am not sure if it was right before the Assyrian exile or the Babylonian exile, but
it was from one of the two. As the story/history goes, the Israeli people had been building Idols of other, pagan Gods, and performing the rituals for
those Gods/cults, including in some cases human sacrifice, as well as passing babies "through fire". Some think they sacrificed their baby child by
placing it into a pit of fire to burn to death, while others say that interpretation is wrong, and that they simply handed the baby to someone
standing opposite of them on the other side of the fire, directly through it. At any rate, temples shrines and poles dotted the countryside of Israel.
And God's ultimate punishment for these deeds was the sacking of Jerusalem and the Babylonian exile. Alternatively, it could've been the Assyrian
exile, in which the "Northern Tribes" were lost to history. Ezekiel was saying "dont say I didn't warn you".
For behold, the Lord will come with fire, and his chariots, like the whirlwind, to render his anger with fury...(Isaiah 1 6:15)
Yeah .. when the Lord comes, he comes correct? Lol. Seriously though, all this is saying is that God is a pretty bad dude when it comes to what we'd
called warfare, and will smite the crap out of the evil humans that actively disobey him and plot against those who further his agenda or believe in
him. So those evil ones who smite the believers are about to be smitten here in the part of the passage you quoted.
...and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord and by His fierce anger. (jeremiah 4:26)
Right, all the cities of the "evil" humans are destroyed. They were operating against the one God and his agenda and the people who believed in him
and kept his commandments, which are commonly known as his "chosen people". But make no mistake, they essentially choose themselves through
lifestyle unto this very day. This is also an Old Testament book, and its' contents refer to a time when the Jewish people were conquering and
claiming the "promised land", aka Israel/Palestine. At the time, people already lived there, Pagan Idolaters and so forth. And according to the Old
Testament, God commanded the Israelites to attack these cities, despite being outnumbered and ill equipped, because God was on their side and would
help them, more or less. So this is the context of where this quote actually comes from. This can be compared to the portion of the Koran where
Muhammad and his core group of Muslim followers were expanding all throughout the Arabian Peninsula, battling all of the Pagans and killing them or
converting them. A divinely inspired military campaign essentially. Notice that there is not a single divienly inspired military campaign in the
entire New Testament, and that Jesus never advocated violence or war.
Woe unto us! Who shall deliver us out of the land of these almighty Gods? These are the Gods that smote the Egyptians with all manner of plagues in
the wilderness. (Samuel 4:8)
Again, Old Testament. This is where Samuel is complaining about the fact that the Jews have been exiled to Babylon. "Who shall deliver us out of the
hand of these almighty Gods" is a reference to the military prowess of the King Nebuchadnezzar's army and kingdom, because we know that a true Jew
only believes in one
God. I dont know what to tell you about the part referring to the Exodus from Egypt. I'd have to read the entire chapter
because that is vague and makes little sense as it is.
From Author Jack Barranger:
"We have been led to believe that the entity that the Old Testament describes as a MASS MURDERER and HEINOUS leader is the God of the Universe.
We have been led to think that the slaughter of human beings in the name of God is a divine act.
If God knows what we know not, God knows that our flesh bodies are not the end all be all of our existence. To the contrary, God knows our spirit
exists beyond the body as well as before the body. The ancient Israelites, upon being led out of Egypt by Moses, which was miraculous in itself,
encountered alot of hostile peoples and tribes in the "promised land" that God said they would inherit. I'm sorry to say it, but .. back in 1,000
B.C. and times like this, all the way up to Medieval times, people were quite savage and settled their problems with the tip of a sword. Don't like
your neighbor? Conquer and kill him, that was the mentality of the world. But the only people the ancient Israelites fought were those in the promised
land, and only because they had to in order to live there. If they did not drive out the Canaanites, the Moabites, and Ammonites, the Nabateans, and
all the other peoples over there, they would've been attacked and killed by these same peoples. The world was cut-throat, heck it still is, but it
was kill or be killed. They felt that God entitled the land to them, once they got it, they didn't make attempts to go off conquering foriegn distant
lands, they had what God intended them to have and that was all they wanted. So this warlike nature prevalent in all people was also prevalent in
Jewish people, but even to a lesser extent than Pagans of the time.