What is a survivalist?, page 1
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reply posted on 18-1-2008 @ 01:54 PM by LLoyd45
reply to post by 1ShotDeal



I really dislike the term paranoia. I prefer the word hypervigilant.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you!:



[edit on 18-1-2008 by LLoyd45]


reply posted on 19-1-2008 @ 01:12 PM by St Udio
reply to post by HYRYSC



i reckon its meaning is indivudually unique,
I for instance see the stereotypical or idealized 'survivalist' as being
similar to the lifestyle of the early america colonists---

then later on in the manner & lifestyle of the pioneers who went west-->
or stayed in the middle american frontier, built sod houses, eeked a survival on the crops & produce that one farmed or ranched from nature.


so, the common factor between colonists-pioneers- and today is the ability
to function without all the luxuries of the society-as-we-know-it,
such as electric grid, AC, pop-culture, tap water, public transportation
as a few examples...


just having 6 months+ of pantry goods does not make one a survivalist,
just having several firearms & ammo isn't a trademark of a survivalist,
Rangers, Seals, Delta Force are extreme survivalists (meaning they have a 'mission' & surviving at all costs is the only way to accomplish their mission)

i don't think i actually gave you a definition, but rather just parted the curtains,
thanks


reply posted on 20-1-2008 @ 10:55 AM by orangetom1999
sorry guys...alot of this stuff in the media is crap...simply crap..dung...propaganda.

I dont know where the corner was turned ..dont really consider this all that important but the corner was simply turned without most Americans and other westerners knowing it.

How do we as a people become so "enlightened and civilized" such that th bulk of us think survival means our cell phones work and we can stock up for tonights game on the boob tube. This is survival??

That the rudiments for our survival are someone elses responsibility?? How dumb do you have to be to think this is "Civilized and enlightened"???

I have ,over the years, determined that much of the media news coverage is propaganda and they are a mouth piece for the various political parties. Very little daily usable news there for public consumption. Lots of news in the media to bolster or prop up the political system..just not usable news for us as individuals. So when I see someone labeled as militia or survivalist I immediately think of the governmnent stance covering thier insecuities. They are insecure. They would rather have the rest of us insecure and helpless too then being independent of them and thier body politic.

For those of you who dont get it ...they secured New Orleans quite well...did they not??..I mean by this ..local, state, and federal?? This is not the first time this has happened. What is so disappointing about it is the obvious attempt by someone in the political system to use the plight of this city to play politics wiith the problems of these peoples. To make merchandize of them.

People who have a survival mentality do not look to politicians and government to secure them ...this is their crime and must be exposed/labeled at all costs. This is not what happened in New Orleans..these folks mostly had a mentality of the government will take care of me. We know how that turned out.

What you heard so little about in Louisana and Mississippi is the self sufficient people and their success/survival stories. The abscence of this is very telling. Blame the politically charged media for this.

Mind you now..New Orleans and Katarina was a pretty extreme case but it did happen..did it not?? What did not happen was also pretty obvious.
Dont let anyone BS you here ..this could happen in your area too. I hold little confidence in my local, state, and federal government in a situation like this .

I know lots of people who can plan ahead for the big game and such events ,complete with stocking up for food and drink,but not for hard times.

The big game, superbowl ,will be happeing in a couple of weeks. I wont be watching it. I dont watch much sports at all...not intrested...unless it is a fishing program. Lots of people will be stocking up before kick off time after some of them planning for weeks. AT kick off time they will be planted in thier seats in front of the boob tube. Not me...this is the perfect time to shop for necessities..the store/road traffic will be noticably down. That is where you will find me. It is just my way.

Kick off time is survival to some folks..it is their religion and they are quite faithful and zealous.

I am being facetious of course..but at the same time serious.

What has gone wrong with some of us as a people.???

Some good posts on this thread.

Thanks,
Orangetom

[edit on 20-1-2008 by orangetom1999]


reply posted on 20-1-2008 @ 03:35 PM by 1ShotDeal
reply to post by orangetom1999



I totaly agree. In my opinion what condemned New Orleans was a state sponsored psychology of dependence.
If you look at the demographic of those stranded after the levies failed, you will find multiple generations of people with a dependence on state or federal assistance.
These people had been conditioned like Pavlov's dog to recieve thier subsidies in exchange for following " the rules" of various state or federal agencies.
They followed directions like good litttle dependents, right into an untenable inescapable situation.
A bit more on topic and along the same lines of psychology I got to thinking about how people use and react to the word " survivalist".
I am old enough, and come from a rural background, to remember when everyone kept a larder of spare food in thier homes. The average household always had kerosene lamps in case of power outages. The average family had a small garden patch in the backyard to suppliment the family diet.
Almost every household had firearms which were used every hunting season to bring home wild game for the table.
Young boys were given firearms safety class as part of the school curiculum.
As a part of childhood you learned to fish and set snares
In short all the things we are tsalking about learning and preparing for were just a part of ordinary life.
Some would consider this a more primitive lifestyle, and shake thier heads while makeing jokes about living in Mayberry..
This is where the psychology comes in.
I have to wonder at what point did self sufficiency become a joke.
In one lifetime our society has gone from independence to inter dependence, and I am wondering if it were planned to be that way.
For the vast percentage of our society, making something unfashionable, or a subject of ridicule is enough to limit or stop it's proliferation.
How many here have experienced the eye roll, or snickers of thier friends, or family when the subject of survival preperations comes up ?
When you want to share the knowledge or experiences you have with those you would like to see survive, you can almost watch as thier eyes glaze over and you know they are not listening. If you persist they will laugh and dismiss you as a " survivalist nut "
Even on these threads I have seen posters whom one would presume to be interested in survival, resort to the same mantra of " waiting for the authorities" to re establish order.
Again I have to wonder if this campaign to stifle even the notion, much less the conversations, relating to survival is intentional.
I don't consider myself a " conspiracy nut" but i have lived long enough to know that conspiracies do happen.
The surrest way to control a population is to make them totaly dependent on you. That is one of the basic elements in " stockholm Syndrom" where a captive is psychologicly dependent on the captors to the point of becoming complicit in thier own capture.
Even though i am no proponent of conspiracies in general, i can't help but wonder.



reply posted on 20-1-2008 @ 06:50 PM by orangetom1999
reply to post by 1ShotDeal




1ShotDeal,
Thanks for your reply. Talk about a conspiracy. There was a city in Kansas hit by a tornado last year. I think it was called Greensburg, Kansas. For a couple of days you heard about how badly the town was destroyed...looked to me like 90 to 95% destruction. I mean total destruction.
Once again in contrast, what I did not hear was stories of looting, killings, Victimization...Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton taking over for the sound bites...etc etc et al. There was none of the usual suspects moving in like parasites to make headline news ..witht the exception of the President.

So what is the difference?? 90 to 95% of New Orleans was not destroyed as was done in this town/city.

One thing is obvious to me from the starting gate. These people are more self sufficient and are not wont to make a good sound bite for the variouis political whores and choreographers skilled in the art of public emotional masterbation techniques. Pardon the crudity but that is precisely what it has become to me and I am always aware of this fingerprint when the news is presented in whatever media today. Victimization does not play well with these types of peoples in these states. Translate that to mean these people and their plight is not that newsworthy or merchandizable.

It is the same with independent minded survivalists folks..only what the media can do in misleading the pubilc about these people in ridicule.

I used to work in a shopping mall years ago. No thanks ..this experience cured me of the disease. I go to shopping malls only when I absolutely have to, get my goods, and get out immediately. I am not one for the "shopping experience." You will never impress me with a shopping mall as the apex of civilization..not happening!!

Sorry olde man... but I detest this kind of silent flatulence from the media shilling for their whores..the body politic as if none of us would notice the odour. I think you get my point here.

Thanks for your post,
Orangetom
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