Originally posted by wildcat
My BMI is actually around 4.3 I believe.
About the picture, my goal isn't to be that big, just noticably thick. So I'll probably go out of a mass building routine before that.
you do realize he's probably on steroids, or was at one time right?
there is 1 person here who has given you some bad and wrong advice and i thought i should point it out and give you some advice about NOT using diets
too like some others here have suggested
helen670 said the following 4 things, and i will "debunk" them because i feel they are total garbage and you need to know
"(strict regime...protein based and no carbs)"
well this is wrong because you can't expect to go to the gym to work out and what are you going to use for energy? the protein you are supposed to
have to build muscles? what goes into your stomach to give you energy for a work out then?
this is for fat people, it's basically the atkins diet no? just protein? i could swear that's the atkins diet
you need carbs to have energy to work out, why do athletes eat pasta before every game week in and week out all season long? cause they want to get
non ripped? they want to gain fat? no cause they need energy for the game and carbs (i think complex) are the best for energy
are you going to eat steak and eggs for breakfast? like if you really need proof of this one besides me calling bull# on it just ask but your body
needs to have some form of "fuel" in it if you want to exert energy and carbs are best for that
"and time you spend working out! " you can spend 10 hours working out in the gym all day long
but if you break your muscles down to 70% monday, tuesday you are say 90% of what you were before you worked out monday, i mean your muscles have
recovered to 90% and you go rip them all to # again in the gym thinking "yeah it's good to be sore, i'm getting large" well how do you expect to
gain any muscle when you start off at 100% work out, you are at 70% sleep and recover next day you are 90% you work out, and now you are back down to
you haven't recovered to 100% yet, so what gains have you made?
if you work out monday, tuesday you are 90% instead of working out you rest, wednesday you are 102% fully recovered and you have made a gain because
you worked out and recovered fully
you can't tear your muscle cells apart, hoping to get new ones to strengthen your tissue and not give them time to actually recover and make any
gains, also your liver and many other organs have to produce things and do stuff so you can actually build new muscle tissue and create new cells
rest is very key, if you are sore don't work out, you are sore for a reason, because your muscles aren't recovered so what gains can you make if you
don't let them recover and make gains?
"but also expect to see no longterm benefits"
and this one too
"Although the body does not take long to see results, once you stop, expect to begin training from the start.. "
clearly this person has no clue about muscle memory (AND the body AND working out)
"Muscle memory is fashioned over time through repetition of a given suite of motor skills and the ability through brain activity to inculcate and
instill it such it they become automatic. Activities such as brushing the teeth, combing the hair, or even driving a vehicle are not as easy as they
look to the beginner. As one reinforces those movements through repetition, the neural system learns those fine and gross motor skills to the degree
that one no longer needs to think about them, but merely to react and perform appropriately."
basically once you are in shape, the longer you are in shape for, the easier it is to bounce back into shape
when you see diet pills, and a guy looks huge and isn't jacked, but after the diet pills they are huged and jacked(always seem to get tanned too),
they are either an athlete that was injured or sitting around for a bit and got a bit fat, they can actually get into shape faster than a normal
person or a steroider about to get cut for a competition (bodybuilding)
a female trainer at goodlife gyms here once told me muscle memory was 50%
also why spend your time and money on a diet? diets that cost you money and you have to buy something are for fat people who really don't want to
work hard to get into shape, or simply don't know because they haven't researched anything
you want a diet? you want to get big?
4 eggs (no yolks or 1 yolk i forget)
2 slices toast
500 ml skimmed milk
40g mixed beans
90g whey protein
100g cottage cheese
1 1/2 cup mixed veggies
200 g oats
125 g rice
eat that every day, i forget how it all gets portioned out but it's something like 6,000 calories a day and you eat like 5-6 times a day
that's a real diet if you want to get "thick"
everything above the milk is breakfast, wait the oats is breakfast too, (got this from bodybuilding.com a few years ago, some dude wrote it) and i see
the 80g of steak/chicken and think "that doesn't seem like enough"
you won't get thick cutting carbs out that's for sure
and don't be scared if you put on a bit of fat before the summer, when you want to get ripped you just throttle back a little on how much food you
eat and your muscles will be bigger and your motabolism higher and you will cut fat like never before beacuse your body has never been that big, with
that much muscle
you're going to need roughly 1.5-2 grams of protein per pound of body weight if you want to gain mass and at least 1 gram of protein per pound of
body weight if you just want to stay the same size you are right now so i HIGHLY doubt you are going to eat and are eating that much food right now
unless you are under 150 pounds
231 days is an eternity to get into shape, when i first started i had roughly 9 monthes and i believed all the bull# out there, and i got in wicked
also how old are you because if you are under 25 you might have problems gaining mass as men don't really fill out until then (physio told me that
when i was 18)
i've beefed up a few times and it's eating a lot and working out smart (recovery and diet and non stupid training methods)
the stuff helen said remember cause it's stuff like that you will hear from people that you need to just walk away from, same with "negative" reps,
you don't see anyone who's big or fast doing those
and good luck, motivation is key too!
[edit on 5-2-2008 by OSSkyWatcher]