This Divided State: Michael Moore at Utah Valley State College, page 2

reply to post by radiodjguy

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Agreed but watching the video I wouldn't paint it all in such a rosy picture.
We heard talk of death threats, of the students president being intimidated and
threatened, the protests on the day of the speech involved heavy security and
it seemed given the tension that a mass brawl or riot could have broken out at any stage due to the amount of passion and/or vitriol from both sides.

reply to post by pmexplorer

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You are absolutely right. The death threats were uncalled for. That in my opinion was ignorant and wrong. A person who feels strongly in a belief or idea may do so and should not worry about being killed for his belief. Especially when we are talking about something as sacred to America as the Bill of Rights and the First Amendment are concerned.

Differences of Ideology should be allowed to be discussed and should always be protected. The security at the event in my opinion is an unfortunate casualty but a necessary one. They were there in order to facilitate both sides of the argument and allow both sides to express their constitutional right of free speech.

I have a roommate that is completely against the first amendment of the United States. He feels that the Republican Party is the only viewpoint that has any validity. In his opinion everyone else should just "Shut Up" His rationale is that during a time of war we should support our government in doing whatever it likes and if you don't like it you are a traitor.

I disagree with his opinion of course. But on the same hand he does have the right to that opinion. I feel that we don't have to support the war to support our troops. They are the ones that have no choice in what war they are in. I disagree with many things my roommate says. However he does have the right to his opinion and in that way his opinion is valid.

I do apologize to you pmexplorer for painting such a rosy picture of the events that transpired at the Utah Valley College. Some of the events that transpired were not in accordance with the wishes and dreams of the founding fathers of our country and deserve critical examination.

Originally posted by The-Dude
Sean Hannity is such an idiotic farse.

While I do not agree with the statements and the blatant humiliation of the student "Vinny" perpetuated by Mr. Hannity I still have to agree that Mr Hannity has the absolute right to his opinion. He should have had that opportunity to express his opinion and have others listen to it. You don't have to agree with his opinion, (I certainly don't) but you have to understand that while we may not agree with his viewpoint he does have the right to that viewpoint. We cannot take that right away from him.

The point that I think that we are missing is the fact that such a controversial speaker like Michael Moore was allowed to speak at this college. In a state that has a majority conservative population. And that in my opinion is a great day for freedom.

This entire film was centered around the first amendment and the lengths that people in this country have to go through to uphold that most sacred of freedoms. We should always fight to protect this most basic of our civil rights.

reply to post by Roland Deschain

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I totally agree. It was fanatical extremism, and in some cases outright lies.
But this is not something confined to Utah. It is everywhere.

reply to post by Roland Deschain

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I totally agree. It was fanatical extremism, and in some cases outright lies.
But this is not something confined to Utah. It is everywhere.

reply to post by Critical_Mass

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I suppose you are correct, but at the same time I disagree. Example:

I think Bill O'Reilly is a moron. I think he lies, and knows it. He twists facts, belittles people to promote his agenda, and overall hurts the country.

However, I would not even flinch if he came to speak near me. I don't think any liberal area would put up much of a fight. There might be some people protesting him and pointing out what an idiot he is, but certainly not objecting to his presence.

This is just another example of the hypocracy of ultra-conservatism. Or should I say conservative extremists?

This post may sound biased towards the republican party, but it's not. I promise if/when someone posts liberals acting in this manner I'll have the same response.

reply to post by saynotoliberalism

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Throwing a pie is just as dispicable.

You honestly justify these actions? It's funny, two posts up I just said I wouldn't even blink if Bill O'Reilly came to speak near me.

And did you not watch the movie? The tickets were paying for Michael Moore. Also, the conservative speaker had to have a private jet paid for.

Your views are very jaded, but what could one expect with a name like "saynotoliberalism"?

However, throwing a pie and disrupting a speech are hardly even close to what happened here. Petitions to fire, lawsuits, and bribery are just a few of the terrible things documented in this video.

You missed the point, I'm afraid. It wasn't "conservatives" are bad. The point was that when you are so sure of yourself and your views that you can't even hear the other side of the story, you not only hurt yourself - from being so egotistical and unrefined - but you hurt everyone else around you also.

Maybe you should take a lesson from the movie...

*edited to add:

I disagree about the money issue. 2 reasons.

1) The tickets were paying for all or most of Michael Moore's visit.
2) Protesting is fine. Showing up and making a scene while he is speaking would have also been fine - but tactless.

Throwing a fit and making a mockery of themselves is not fine. It was pathetic. A place of learning, a University no less, had more childish actions that week than most elementary schools.

Remember, only one person was truely effected, and that was the guy named Joe. Fired for trying to enlighten his peers.

[edit on 20-1-2008 by Sublime620]

reply to post by zinco100

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tt. Yeah, we'll see how smart you Canadians are when you are forcibly integrated with us in the NAU.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by AboveTopSecret.com

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Ah... ATS endorsing Michael Moore.... interesting.

isn't suppressing someones "disruption" of someones speech also a disruption of someones right to speech? ..

Or are Republicans just supposed to roll over let Moore do as he wishes without even the slightest argument?

I didn't watch past chapter 2 as michael moore makes me sick.

And ATS endorsing this fat political pig makes me sick as well.

Seconded. Is ATS being paid for this?

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