Phobos May Be Alien Space Base: White House adviser!!, page 3
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reply posted on 18-1-2008 @ 09:06 AM by goosdawg
reply to post by Beachcoma



Nah...that would be Klingons!


reply to post by mikesingh



Is it a tubular structure or a racetrack?

Where's the monolith located on Phobos, in relation to everything else?

In the Russian infrared shot, maybe the docking port for the big honkin' spacecraft is located in the shadows at the Southern(?) end.

Or maybe they just take shuttle crafts back and forth...




It's difficult to understand how some can view these images of such wonderful alien structures, (alien as in; not of this world) and dismiss them in such a blasé, out-of-hand fashion as just big, boring rocks.

Where's their sense of wonder and glory?

They're probably the same type who could stand at the edge of the Grand Canyon and say; "Eh, it's just a big hole in the ground..."

It's always aces musing on your finds, Mike!

Great fun!

Thanks!


reply posted on 18-1-2008 @ 09:49 AM by Beachcoma
Originally posted by FireMoon
You can;t have it both ways .. People ask for a scientist to come out and say... this is what we saw etc etc.. One does so and then it's well it was faked because "they're Russians". a tad insulting i'd say, to just dismiss possible evidence simply because it comes from the Russians?


Nah, I'm dismissing it because it's from Fred Singer. He has a penchant for re-interpreting stuff and will attempt to disprove gravity if someone paid him enough.

This is what Dr Singer has been doing these days:

In 1995, as President of the Science and Environmental Policy Project (a think tank based in Fairfax, Virginia) S. Fred Singer was involved in launching a publicity campaign about "The Top 5 Environmental Myths of 1995," a list that included the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's conclusion that secondhand tobacco smoke is a human carcinogen. Shandwick, a public relations agency working for British American Tobacco, pitched the "Top 5 Myths" list idea to Singer to minimize the appearance of tobacco industry involvement in orchestrating criticism of the EPA. The "Top 5 Environmental Myths" list packaged EPA's secondhand smoke ruling with other topics like global warming and radon gas, to help minimize the appearance of tobacco industry involvement in the effort. According to a 1996 BAT memo describing the arrangement, Singer agreed to an "aggressive media interview schedule" organized by Shandwick to help publicize his criticism of EPA's conclusions.[9]

[..]

In a September 24, 1993, sworn affidavit, Dr. Singer admitted to doing climate change research on behalf of oil companies, such as Exxon, Texaco, Arco, Shell and the American Gas Association. [10]


Certainly inspires confidence in his character, doesn't it?

Track down the original statements and research from the Russians, then I'll reconsider.



reply posted on 18-1-2008 @ 10:36 AM by WitnessFromAfar
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Beachcoma, thanks for the research! I've never heard of this Fred Singer before. The first time I heard of the Phobos image was at the Enterprisemission.com website, a long time ago. Check this out:

On the 'hollowing out' of Phobos:
"The Russians sent two probes, named "Phobos 1" and "Phobos 2" to Mars in the late 1980's, to study the surface and atmospheric properties of the planet, and the composition of one of its two moons, Phobos. Phobos 1 failed along the way, but Phobos 2 made it all the way to Mars and operated nominally for period of several weeks. Its disappearance has become the stuff of UFO lore, but in the process the spacecraft made numerous valuable observations of both Phobos and Mars. One of the most curious was that Phobos density was found to be extremely anomalous. According to a paper published in the October 19th, 1989 issue of the scientific journal Nature, Phobos had a bizarre density of 1.95 g/cu.cm ("19.5" anyone?), meaning it was almost 1/3 hollow! Since both Martian "Moons" are actually captured asteroids (and therefore consistent with the Tidal Model), this finding is extraordinary. There is virtually no way that a solid object like Phobos can be "hollowed out" in this manner naturally, leaving a really big question -- just who hollowed it out ... and why?"
Source: www.enterprisemission.com...

With a quick search at their site, I couldn't find the article I read originally where Hoagland did his version of the 'play-by-play', but this quote tells the story in short form. I'm sure Hoagland would answer an email query, he did years ago when these issues all first got my attention. He's got a ton of photos from both NASA and the Russian Probes, perhaps he has data on the source of the story too?

Also, I found a website that hosts: "The Complete Phobos 2 VSK Image Data Set" here:
www.planetary.org...

There are several images that seem to show this wierd 'UFO' type thing. Here is one:

Here is another, taken by Phobos 2, of Jupiter and Mars. They are the two dots, the blob is something else (Unidentified) or an image artifact.
You have to look at this zoomed in to even see the planets pictured.

Here is an obvious image artifact, from the same camera on Phobos 2:

And here is an image with both the obvious imaging artifact, AND the anamoly:

Notice how one of the imaging problem 'lines' disrupts the 'anamoly' where it intersects? It's very strange, and tends to suggest the 'anamoly' was a physical object in the image.

Also strange is how the 'obvious' imaging problems are represented by horizontal (as seen by the viewer) lines, where as the 'anamoly' turns up consistently vertical (as seen by the viewer), and at appoximately 90 degrees from the imaging problem 'lines'.

Anyway, just some more data, it never hurts
And lots more questions. I'm really caught up with another project right now, but I thought I'd at least provide a link to some more data from the probe for everyone to speculate on. Thoughts?


reply posted on 18-1-2008 @ 10:48 AM by goosdawg
reply to post by MrPenny



True, the Grand Canyon is a big hole in the ground, but it's more than just a big hole in the ground.

To attempt to describe it, by one who's been there to one who's not, mere words do not suffice.

Even the "thousand words" photos convey fall woefully short.

When evaluating images of the far off and exotic, should our interpretation only lie within the realm of the starkly pragmatic?

Phobos a big rock may be, but to poets and dreamers, it's much more than just that.

Therein lies the wonder, and the glory.


reply posted on 18-1-2008 @ 11:21 AM by mikesingh
reply to post by Beachcoma



Hey Beach! Here’s something that may interest you…



And this is the written version here..

www.informantnews.com...


reply posted on 18-1-2008 @ 11:33 AM by mikesingh
reply to post by WitnessFromAfar



WFA, that was an amazing post! And thanks for that link.

I was always under the impression that there was just one image of that 'UFO', the first and last sent by Phobos II. I wonder why these other images with this anomaly have not been discussed anywhere?

Originally posted by SaviorComplex
Can you please point to when and where Dr. Singer said this? The article quoted does not cite its sources. One can easily attribute anything to anyone; dropping a name does not make it true.


No SC, I don't think that's quite correct. It is not only Dr Singer, but a host of others who made similar conclusions. I wonder if you've gone through the entire article mentioned with a link in my opening post?

Cheers!



[edit on 18-1-2008 by mikesingh]


reply posted on 18-1-2008 @ 11:48 AM by Beachcoma
reply to post by mikesingh



Holy crap! It's Brother Cavil!!

That's quite fascinating. So was the cigar on the Red Planet or in orbit, casting a shadow?


reply posted on 18-1-2008 @ 11:51 AM by goosdawg
reply to post by MrPenny



But there can be no "final" interpretation, because we'll never have all the answers.

Just more questions.

If we reject the desire to probe and consider the fantastic and "out-there," we'll never discover the true limits of our "reality."

"Non-fiction" is not all there is.

What was once scoffed at as "ridiculous" and "magic" is now commonplace.

What "magic" today will be common tomorrow?


reply posted on 18-1-2008 @ 12:34 PM by WitnessFromAfar
reply to post by mikesingh



Thanks Mike! If you ever need a hand doing an independent sweep for data, just let me know! That's what I love about ATS, you never know who will find corroborating evidence that's new, and you never know who's got a gem (of information) hidden away in their archives

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