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reply posted on 17-1-2008 @ 08:37 AM by thelibra

Let's all take a deep breath...



Now exhale. I think there was probably a knee-jerk reaction to this news. I am able to bring up the story just fine. Here's the skinny on it:


“The sudden burst of radio energy lasted only 0.005 seconds,
and had spectral characteristics that suggested that it was from a distant galaxy,
probably billions of light-years from us." - Seth Shostak, Ph.D., SETI Institute


That's it. A 0.005 second signal. To most people it's so quick if it were a sound and not a radio signal, you wouldn't even realize you'd heard something. If it were a message, it would be longer, and almost certainly repeating. If it was intelligent in origin, then at best, it'd be some sort of "stellar ping" broadcast out to get a response, rather than a directed message towards Earth (or even our galaxy) specifically.

In all likelihood, this was almost certainly some sort of stellar explosion, galactic collision, or something else that could easily produce some radio -wave noise burst. The article didn't even say it had a pattern to it. Even if it were an alien species that produced the signal, keep in mind that the signal itself would be billions of years old.

Now think about the implications of aliens having to cross billions of light years of distance to reach us. If they had technology advanced enough to do that, then in a few billion years, they'd have already reached the technological point at which they could exceed the speed of their own initial signal.

And in the off chance that matter truly cannot go faster than the speed of light, and they decided to immediately give chase to destroy or subjugate the first life form to respond to the signal (because you sure as hell wouldn't allocate the resources to invade a place that didn't respond), our best relay technology is also radio waves, and it would be billions of years before they received our reply, and then another several billion years before their invasion force could reach us (since they couldn't travel faster than light either).

That's not to say I don't think there aren't some clever life forms out there somewhere, but this news isn't nearly as exciting or scary when the facts are examined logically.


reply posted on 17-1-2008 @ 08:57 AM by forestlady
reply to post by thelibra



Unless they're able to travel faster than the speed of light. Which they may well be able to do.


reply posted on 17-1-2008 @ 09:29 AM by thelibra
Originally posted by forestlady
Unless they're able to travel faster than the speed of light. Which they may well be able to do.


Riiiiight, but I think that possibility was rather addressed by the point that if they could travel faster than light, they'd almost certainly have reached us before their signal, because they'd have outrun it. Or, if they were waiting for a response, and could just "instantly" travel to wherever they got a reply to the signal from, it would still take billion of years for the signal to reach them.

Anyway, as it turns out, my initial guess was right. SETI Project Scientist Matt Lebofsky reveals in
the SETI forum that:


Other vexing time-sink: Bogus news reports that we found a "mystery" signal should be summarily ignored. This was a gross misinterpretation by a reporter of an quick comment Dan made off the record about AstroPulse progress and recently published millisecond pulsar findings by another group. These are new stellar phenomena which are astronomically interesting (and AstroPulse hopes to find many of) but not ET. Sigh.


It was a pulsar.



reply posted on 17-1-2008 @ 09:53 AM by TrueAmerican
Don't know if this has been posted, but the original story can be seen in google's cache here:

209.85.165.104...:3TnP-VnqhS0J:www.ktvu.com/news/15054540/detail.html+www.ktvu.com...&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
NOTE: you will have to copy the entire string to see it!

I was going to do a podcast about it with audio clips, and I might still if google yanks it too... But there's really no point as long as we can still all see this.

[edit on 17-1-2008 by TrueAmerican]



reply posted on 17-1-2008 @ 01:54 PM by cbianchi513
reply to post by SimonSays



For some reason I don't think the signal he was "getting" was related in the slightest.

I was there and watching/flipping out with him!

First: the signal he had was sustained... Much, much longer than .005 seconds.
Second: He got the signal from SETI@home. He provided screenshots for the more skeptical of the bunch of us following along that night.
Third: The signal he received was from an information pack 13 months old! (if I recall correctlly). In other words, it was not in realtime.

I don't doubt that SETI is a big cover up, especially after hearing the gentleman from SETI on C2C last night.

I don't remember it all, as I was drifting off to sleep, but I recall George Noory asking about this very signal. The gentleman said that it is "impossible" to hide anything from the public due to the nature of signals originating in space. Something to the effect of needing to involve Telescopes in other parts of the world due to the Earth's rotation, and the source of the signal transiting below the horizon.

That is true- but don't tell me that it's "impossible" to cover up. We're not ALL morons.

If you need me, I will be watching "Judge Judy" and eating MacDonalds...




reply posted on 17-1-2008 @ 01:55 PM by greysave
Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to
post by benevolent tyrant



Thank you for the info. I suspected as much. Good luck getting everyone to believe it though.


Why would we believe it. Its always a convenient mistake? What was the signal then? Statistically its impossible that we are the only intelligent life in the universe since you know the universe is infinitely big, you know as far as math as concerned. Furthermore, if you use statistics and common sense, then it tells you that if it i i statistically impossible for us to be the only intelligent life then it would also be statistically impossible for us to be the only beings poking around space. I mean thats of course if you use math and understand limits and stuff. But, if you want I'll agree we are the only beings in the infinitely large universe. That sure felt silly.


reply posted on 17-1-2008 @ 02:03 PM by Now_Then
This article was linked in this thread

Since the burst was seen only once, it is as yet unclear what produced it, although many scientists suspect that it was caused by the collision of two highly dense neutron stars. Radio astronomers are planning a search for more such radio bursters, as they may be a new (and clearly interesting) type of natural phenomenon.



reply posted on 17-1-2008 @ 02:46 PM by thelibra
Originally posted by rhynouk
So if a signal was found or has even been found do you think we would ever hear about it,i don't think we would because this article changed it's tune after a while as if they were told to do so.


Well that could also be the fact that misrepresenting the statement of a SETI scientist to implicate it meant intelligent alien signal would be a gross violation of that station's credibility in the eyes of the public. You can bet your bottom dollar that any credible non-Fox news station is going to double and triple-check their facts before claiming something so sensationalistic, and pull the story as soon as they find out it's not true.

Could they have been "ordered" to silence by "them"? Sure. Do I think they were? No.

SETI is composed mostly of university students, artists, and free-thinkers, all competing very hard to get some scope-time desperately searching for any concrete sign of intelligent life. If enough of them thought, for even a minute, that they'd found some sort of proof, it would be EVERYWHERE. These are the sort to distrust government as much as us, and they'd want to make sure everyone heard about it before the USG did.

Even with MSM suppression, government censorship, and threats to close SETI, the type of kids that work there would still find a way through pirate radio, podcasts, student television, and any other means, to make sure as many people heard about it as possible.



reply posted on 17-1-2008 @ 02:55 PM by cbianchi513
reply to post by thelibra


I kind of agree a little. How's that for commitment?
The scientist on C2C last night also said that one time about 10 years ago they thought they had a signal, and he kept waiting for the "men in black" to show up and pull the plug. He said it never happened, and he thinks it's because they have bigger fish to fry.


reply posted on 17-1-2008 @ 05:25 PM by Esoterica
reply to post by Horusnow




Seth says by 2025 because the Allen Telescope Array is set to check for signals from 1 million stars. I imagine that given probability, he's saying that assuming alien life exists, the odds of us running across a signal among that 1,000,000 is pretty high.
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