So was I. You're attempts to claim that Leonidas 'knew what God wanted' was n incorrect attempt to force a religion that clearly wasn't his upon his memory.


No worries; in order to insult my intelligence you'd have to be as smart as- or smarter than- I am ... so rest assured that there's no way you'd ever be able to insult my intelligence.



Nope, not 'for some' reason but rather down a different path than you: a path of reason.

You seem to want to continually twist easily researched history into something that it's not. It was the Persians who fought at the Battle of Thermopylae, not - as you stated - the Egyptians.

Not only is that the history, but it's also pointed out repeatedly in the movie. If you are getting a different message ... then perhaps you were in the wrong theater.

Your pal,
Meat.

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Meat, to help fortify your position there were Egyptian Marines and Naval personel participating in the Persian invasion but their was no involvement on their part in Thermopylae. They did however clash with the Athenian navy on several occasions and disembark Marines at Salamis. They eventually fled the Aegean after Xerxes executed their commanders for what he thought was their ineptitude.

Another thing which I noticed just recently was the Emperor's Flagship. It is a golden pyramid, where the topstone is actually the ship which seperates:





Edit: Sorry for the lowres images, but you can see it seprated and connected in the final sequence of the movie.

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David Lynch has always been a fan of building symbolism and stuff considered "secret" or "secret society"-related (according to his perception of what secret societies are) into his movies and TV Series.

Why some people are trying to deny this in this thread? I have no idea. Maybe they are over-sensitive to anti-masonic conspiracy theory.

Why some people are trying to take this as evidence of a massive conspiracy? I have no idea. Lynch is just having a bit of fun with symbolism and the language it speaks to the subconscious.

I was going to mention the pyramid type ships and even a Stargate connection.

Okay, what the movie Children of Dune, does this have any hidden meaning or connection other than title.

Sure, but most, if not all of the things you've mentioned so far are in the book, so unless there is a particular Lynchian embellishment I'm not recognizing, I'd say you'd be better off saying Frank Herbert put the "secret" stuff in, not Lynch.

All that being said, I've personally held for a while now that Dune really has more in common with Lawrence of Arabia. David Lean's film came out two years before Herbert's novel. You've got a blue-eyed representative of the empire integrating himself with a desert tribe, having an unusual affinity to their manners and customs. He leads the natives in an uprising, while having divided allegiances.

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Testify!

David Lynch was so distraught over the finished product (which had been mutilated by the De Laurentis "final cut") that he removed his name as director and allowed that most prolific of Directors "Alan Smithee" to take the blame. Blame cannot rest entirely with De Laurentis studios. I'm a big fan of Mr. Lynch, but he did a terrible job with that film.

The only redeeming feature of that film was the wonderful Kenneth McMillan's over the top job as Baron Vladimir Harkonnen.

While I do believe that many films have been used as clarion calls for the coming age (2001: a Space Odyssey or the films of David Cronenberg spring to mind). I have difficulty in seeing what the OP has envisaged with this terrible, terrible film.

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Great movie to put on when you need to sleep though.





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i do think that there was some interesting symbolism in dune, some of which could have (in Lynch's mind) been attributed to the masons or other such group, though i have no doubt that "Freman" was to mean "Freeman". The Freman never considered themselves to be slaves, just that their world was occupied by outside forces.

I think that to say it "Sucked" is a bit harsh, yes it could have been better, and yes it certainly could have been more faithfull to F.H.'s book. but considering when it was made, it could have been worse.

If you serious have a beef with Lynch's dune, try the sci-fi channels version. It was well worth the watch and continued on through children of dune.