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Where is Ron Paul?

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posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 08:21 PM
This might be useful to u guys..

What is it is a markup of how much people agree/disagree wit candidates going from beginning to present in elections now..

Interesting to note that RP has a lot of support apparently on this site here.

I have not added anything because I don't want another "wackjob" or "Kook" to screw wit the end result.



Anyway wanted to add total rankings thus far from my post here is 186,789..

Also wanted to add if you look there RP has alot of green in that.

[edit on 1/17/2008 by ThichHeaded]

posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 08:28 PM

The second biggest problem I see is
the disrespect his supporters get. They mostly think we're a
bunch of qwacks or kooks. I don't think it has to do with
his policies or his record.

It has everything to do with the MSM.

I've yet to hear Ron Paul's name mentioned by the BBC. Kucinich was interviewed briefly on the BBC World Service in the wee hours.

The fundamental importance of public service broadcasting to the well-being of a democracy has been well recognized since its inception, but Thatcher and Reagan removed the legislative defenses against corporate control of television when they deregulated broadcasting in the 1980s.

In the UK we still have regulations governing party political air time which apply not just to party broadcasts but general political coverage, be it news or documentary. They don't apply to newspapers and are largely irrelevant to the process of selecting political leaders. (Our current Prime Minister was selected by the party without reference to the electorate).

A similar principal applied in the US but thanks to the efforts of Reagan and Bush senior, it no longer does.

the Federal Communication Commission’s Political Broadcasting Regulations state:

if a broadcaster allows “any person who is a legally qualified candidate for any public office to use a broadcasting station; he shall afford equal opportunities to all other such candidates for that office in the use of such broadcasting station.”


Section 315 does not require broadcasters to allow candidates to use their facilities; however, “willful or repeated failure to allow reasonable access to or to permit purchase of reasonable amounts of time for the use of a broadcasting station, . . . by a legally qualified candidate for Federal elective office on behalf of his candidacy” could lead to revocation of the station’s license.


Are broadcast stations required to provide “fair and balanced”reporting on political issues or candidates? Are news programs requiredto present opposing viewpoints? There are no current regulations that requirebroadcasters to provide fair and balanced reporting. Until 1985, the Fairness Doctrinerequired broadcasters to present opposing viewpoints on controversial issues of public importance. However, in 1985, the FCC determined that the Fairness Doctrine was nolonger justified due to the “multiplicityof voices in the marketplace.” (in other words - your political education is henceforth in the hands of the Corporation)

It goes on:

Are there regulations prohibiting a broadcast journalist or on-air talent from taking a certain position on a political issue or candidate? What about the station manager or station owner? There are no regulations requiring journalists to be nonpartisan or unbiased. Under the Fairness Doctrine, which is no longer enforced by the FCC, a broadcaster would have been required to present opposing viewpoints, but there is no such requirement under current law. Additionally, there are no FCC regulations that would prohibit the station manager or station owner from doing so.

FCC Political Broadcasting Regulations

Fairness Doctrine History

The disconnect between the will of the people and the Corporation becomes increasingly apparent while the internet remains relatively unfettered. This is a very new phenomenon but the MSM has always been integral in filtering/selecting who we get to vote for while feigning the role of objective, disinterested witness.

[edit on 17-1-2008 by EvilAxis]

[edit on 17-1-2008 by EvilAxis]

posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 08:29 PM
I’m not the least bit surprised by the Ron Paul slander and suppression campaign, but I am a bit surprised by the incredible chutzpa involved. People are waking up and can easily see how their elections are manipulated by the media, and how they are defrauded by electronic voting machines. Something tells me this may not be such a bad thing in the long term. RP is so marginalized as to not be a threat, and so doesn’t have to be murdered, and an ever increasing number of people wake up to the sad reality of our political predicament. It’s all about the future after all. Even if RP was elected POTUS tomorrow, a bought and paid for legislature and judiciary would render him impotent.

posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 08:32 PM
Smartest Man in the World

President Bush calls up Ron Paul and invites him on a
weekend fishing trip to Kennebunkport. Bush invites
Cheney, his secretary and his favorite pilot along
for the trip on this small airplane.

About 30 minutes into the trip about the time Bush
starts getting into it with RP about why he would never be
a good president. Bush explains to RP that I, George W
am the smartest man in the world. Right after he says that,
there is a loud pop outside the plane. One of the engines
fall off and the pilot runs out of the cockpit grabs a parachute,
straps it on and says there is only 3 more parachutes and jumps
out the plane to safety. Well Cheney speaks up and says well since
I have a weak heart I think I need a parachute. He grabs one and
jumps leaving only 2 parachutes for Bush, Paul and the secretary
to fight over. Well dubya stands up and says, Hey !!!! I'm the president
of the United States and the smartest man in the world. I think I
deserve one as well. Bush straps one on leaving only one between
Paul and the secretary and says see ya later gator.

The secretary looks at Ron Paul and says "I've lived a fruitful life
and raised 3 children and you are running for the white house. I think
you should have the last parachute."

Ron looks her in the eye, smiles and says "No need to worry dear,
there are still 2 parachutes left. The smartest man in the world
just jumped out with my nap sack!"

posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 08:45 PM
reply to post by EvilAxis

Excellent work EvilAxis. Welcome to ATS.

That really does help bring understanding and perspective to the relative positions on this story.

It also makes pretty clear where the corporate interest lies. What's so ironic about the whole thing is that corporate interest would be best served with a man like Ron Paul because he is such a proponent of free market enterprise.

posted on Jan, 18 2008 @ 07:27 AM
Thanks TrueAmerican.

Although he is a proponent of free market enterprise he also represents the first attempt since JF Kennedy's Executive Order 11110 to return the issuance of currency from private to public control.

As the great granddaddy of all central bankers, Mayer Amschel Rothschild, put it so succinctly in the mid-1700s: "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."

While the control of money remains a corporate enterprise all other attempts at political, judicial or social reform are doomed.

This I suspect is why the news blackout on Ron Paul extends as far as the UK.

[edit on 18-1-2008 by EvilAxis]

posted on Jan, 18 2008 @ 10:53 AM
Open Letter...
Billionaire To Back Ron Paul - Everything Changes

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Open Letter To Fellow
Ron Paul Patriots:

This information was being held back for the right moment. We now believe that moment's time has come. The intention of those controlling the hearts and minds of a large portion of the American People by blatant manipulation of the international media outlets was clear months ago. Recently the obvious nature of this manipulation has become so blatant that the time to act is upon us. What was obvious to a supporter now has reached the point that even non-supporter will be able to notice the intentional manipulation and see through the smoke and mirrors.

The purpose of this information is in no way intended to change anything you are currently doing to support Ron Paul. The grassroots efforts have been tremendous and instrumental in getting Ron Paul to the level of support he currently enjoys. By all means continue to do what you have been doing. Continue donating to the campaign and by all means continue your support on the street by passing the word about Ron Paul, the next President of the United States. Don't forget the next big donation date just around the corner January 21, the birthday of Dr. Martin Luther King.

For over 3 months a very wealthy libertarian minded individual has been lurking among you on numerous Ron Paul websites. He has been carefully watching the media, the various state GOP organizations, the National GOP, the grassroots efforts and the various candidate forums. He has come to one conclusion; the people behind the scenes, the ones that really have the most to lose are doing everything possible to derail the Ron Paul movement and campaign. People that were compromised inside of various organizations some time ago have collected and provided a plethora of evidence and documentation to provide a clear connection between numerous candidates' staff and media personnel to harm Ron Paul. There are memos clearly stating official editorial opinion inside these organizations in collusion with interested parties that violate numerous laws and certainly ethics issues. Teams of individuals have been hired by candidates to write disinformation about Ron Paul on forums, including here, to manipulate polls and to post on the social networking sites. Furthermore even one media outlet has also dedicated individuals to deal with the grassroots postings online. The rabbit hole runs deep and when you see some of the people involved you will be amazed. As a matter of fact one person is in a position of trust that will be so embarrassed they will most likely resign from their job.

All things considered some actions have been taken. The individual involved in promoting what I am about to describe is no friend of the government and has no political ties. In fact he despises the IRS to whom he has paid tens of millions of dollars for many years. He has been involved in broadcasting in the past and knows the business quite well. He therefore decided months ago to prepare for the possible contingency that he would need to step forward and provide direct public support of the one person he feels can make a much needed difference in our country and the world, Ron Paul. That time has come.

A little over a two months ago we began production of a mini-series called "Ron Paul - The Peoples President". Part One covers everything about Ron Paul from his introduction to politics to his voting record over the years. It documents his struggle against the entrenched elite and how these individuals have duped the American people for many decades. It shows the clear bias against Ron Paul and how he has many times stood alone in the interest of the American public only to be ignored in Congress. Part Two discusses 8 major issues of utmost importance to the American People to include Healthcare, taxes, constitutional values, monetary policy, the Federal Reserve System, a sound foreign policy, loss of liberties, the war on terrorism, real social security reform; it is all covered. Part Three which is now in it final days of post production explains how the various policies by which Dr. Paul stands could be implemented and how they would benefit the American People. Each part is one hour in length and is designed to run commercial free. In addition 3 different commercial trailers have been produced to advertise in advance the "mini series" to bring the maximum number of viewers to the program. The 3 one minute production trailers are "The war in Iraq, Oil and Corporate Profiteering", "The Personal Income Tax & Social Security - Real Answers" and last "The American Healthcare Crisis, a Real Solution."

This production has been quietly ongoing, in a privately owned production studio for months. The production quality is everything you would expect from a Hollywood production house. To give you an example the host speaks on a set every bit as nice as the production set used by Wolf Blitzer's Situation room, well actually nicer. I am also pleased to announce that the host is a well known actor.

The exclusion by Fox News in the forum days before the New Hampshire primary was bad enough but the complete "blackout" to follow was the final straw. In the words of the individual behind this "It is time to roll. These people have awakened a sleeping giant and they will not know what hit them." Of course, he was referring to himself and the resources available to him to deliver the message on primetime television.

Why is this information being posted here and now? Because we know, from our inside contacts, this forum is very well watched. Actually this forum is called the "paulhive" internally to one of the media organizations. After reading this they will realize what I am typing is true and that they do in fact have a leak. Yes, gentlemen, you are soon to be exposed. So the first thing he feels this does is serve a warning to the media; you are on notice that your days of disinformation are numbered. Your corruption and illegal activities soon will be exposed. In addition there has been collaboration among the news organizations to universally drop coverage. Yes, there has been a formal agreement and policy has been passed down. This is also going to be exposed and individuals are going to be called out, by name. Secondly, he has noticed a little too much negativity building among the most important people, the grassroots. I have been asked to say this to you. "Rome was not built in a day. Now is not the time to give up hope. Now is the time to double your efforts. This is far from over. You never know who lurks among you that are with you and your efforts."

So where do we go from here? That decision is going to be made in the next few days. It has not yet been determined when mini-series time will be purchased. It should be before the Super Tuesday states. A lot depends on the media, the GOP and a few other important television specific factors. This broadcast time is going to be very expensive and needs to be planned carefully.

The bottom line is that this will run and we will do everything possible to get the GOP nomination. If it is clear that the media and GOP will do everything possible to derail a GOP nomination then perhaps the only solution left will be to elect Ron Paul as an independent non-party President. Yes, we know Ron Paul has said that he will not run third party or independently but with the backing of a Billionaire running a 3 hour national broadcast mini-series, once if not twice perhaps even three times, to support the grassroots would be more than enough to make history by electing an Independent President. All it takes is for people to hear his message in clear understandable terms and not soundbites and the rest takes place naturally. We hope all this considered would motivate Dr. Paul to continue to carry the torch of liberty to November for all of us regardless of the GOP nomination. They can have him as a Republican President or an Independent; the choice is now theirs. One thing is absolutely certain, he will have a voice until November when he returns the White House to the people.

Keep your heads up and keep doing what you can. Donate money, donate your time and keep spreading the word about our next President, Dr. Ron Paul. Support is critical at this time. Just remember, you never know who lurks around you.

In closing, this account was created on a public computer for the express purpose of releasing this notice. No private messages will be read or responded to so please do not write any private responses asking for details. When the time is right this individual will step forward and make his identity known. For reasons including government harassment and media interference this individual must remain anonymous as he is well enough known for this to quickly make news. Distractions right now would not be productive about this as we have not contacted them and they are learning about this at the same time as you. They do not have any information nor will they until we are ready. We will have a press office open at the time we make an official release in the coming future to answer any questions.

Keep up the great work patriots our country is once again soon to be ours!

Ron Paul - We Want Our Country Back!

posted on Jan, 18 2008 @ 11:26 AM
Hmm, I'm not so sure how to take this. On one hand, this could be incredible. But on the other, doesn't this go against the very nature of Paul's campaign, in that he wants smaller donations from the people of America and not big corporate interest?

If this is true, it will make all the fund raising records Ron broke already seem like a cakewalk. I would think at a minimum, he would have to line up precisely with Ron's agenda or no go. Very, very interesting and thank you.

[edit on 18-1-2008 by TrueAmerican]

posted on Jan, 19 2008 @ 12:51 PM
[edit on 1/19/08 by kattraxx]

posted on Jan, 19 2008 @ 01:29 PM
reply to post by keithm

Does anyone think this sounds like Mr. Trump maybe???

posted on Jan, 19 2008 @ 01:35 PM
That didn't work...

So the AP is calling Nevada for Romney before noon here. I have to say that, as a resident, I'm surprised. For one thing, Ron Paul won a straw poll here. For another, I know there's a good-sized Mormon population here, but I never thought it was large enough to drive this election. I haven't seen one Romney lawn sign, bumper sticker, nothing here. In fact, the only ones I have seen are Ron Paul and a couple Edwards. Not a real concrete indicator, I know, but there's been no buzz here on Romney as far as my world extends into this area. It just seems out of nowhere to me. Like Bush, Romney came to Nevada wearing some checkered shirt like he was on a farm or something. I had to laugh because I've lived here eight years (in N. Nevada) and 99% of the people I've met are from California. Natives are rare as hen's teeth around here anymore.

It's demoralizing to believe that people will simply vote for "one of their flock", or someone from their home state, etc., instead of putting any serious thought into an election.

And then there's Diebold voting machines and voting fraud suspicions everywhere, which makes you feel like a fool trotting off to vote like everything's just fine.

posted on Jan, 19 2008 @ 01:38 PM
reply to post by kattraxx

hey Kattrax go look at the thread I have a few words about Ron Paul about 10 below this one and read the last post in the

[edit on 19-1-2008 by SEEWHATUDO]

posted on Jan, 19 2008 @ 01:42 PM
reply to post by SEEWHATUDO

Hmmmm, Trump. The money's certainly there... He kinda gives me the creeps and I can't say exactly why, but I just don't see him being that radical. Who knows though. You could be right on. What still bothers me is, even with a billion dollars, how can the voting machine problems and suspected election fraud be dealt with?

posted on Jan, 19 2008 @ 01:46 PM
reply to post by SEEWHATUDO

I know! The AP was calling the Nevada race for Romney before 10 a.m. today! I'm with you-- disgusted. I live here and I'm not buying Romney for one second.

posted on Jan, 19 2008 @ 01:58 PM
Right now, CNN is saying Paul is third and on the local channels here, they're running American Gladiators, Power Rangers and basketball, and they don't even have the polling results at the bottom of the screen. It's weird, like nothing is going on.

By the way, a lot of people got screwed up here because they sent out erroneous polling place and time information. Just yesterday I received another card in the mail with supposedly the correct information on it.

What a mess.

posted on Jan, 19 2008 @ 02:37 PM
reply to post by kattraxx

Hey, thanks very much for these updates kattraxx, it really helps. Keep em coming! Nothing better than testimony from someone who is there locally.


posted on Jan, 19 2008 @ 03:06 PM
reply to post by TrueAmerican

1 p.m. and local channels are still saying RP tied with McCain for 2nd on Repub. side at 12%. On Dem side, local channels reporting Clinton varies between 5 and 10% ahead of Obama. I'm in Reno, not LV. The difference between Reno and LV, by the way, is like the difference between the SF bay area (where I moved from) and L.A.

posted on Jan, 19 2008 @ 03:18 PM
Look for Paul to take 2nd in Nevada!

posted on Jan, 19 2008 @ 03:29 PM
I would love to see a solid top-three effort by Ron in Nevada.

I think that would make it almost impossible for the MSM to continue attempting to marginalize him and ignoring his platform.

The whole Chris Wallace/Guliani tag-team against Mr Paul made the MSM's agenda perfectly clear.

posted on Jan, 19 2008 @ 03:35 PM
Immigration is grate concern for Republicans in Nevada, Ron Paul has the toughest conservative view on immigration. That's probably why he is out going McCainn and Huckabee.

Romney on the other hand, is benefiting from the economy being in a bad shape. He's best suited to deal, handle and understand the economic issues of America.

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