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well, they're both found in the bible...
hell, same as it's said to be an "abomination" for a man to have long hair in the bible..
basically, there isn't really a logical reason to be disgusted by homosexuality.
i thought ron paul was a candidate that supported "freedom"
what about the freedom to do what you want with another consenting adult?
Originally posted by Bugman82
reply to post by madnessinmysoul
Yes, Madness from your perspective all who believe that evolution is just a theory aren't intellectually honest people who are suitable for a presidency position. Well, let's think for a moment.......
-Ron Paul is a doctor who has probably had more biology in his lifetime then you will ever see in your days of browsing ATS and reading the evolution vs. creation threads here.
-The head of the human genome project to map our human genome now does not believe in evolution simply as a result of being a doctor.
-I personally believe it is simply just as intellectually absurd to not believe in a beginning creator as something cannot come from nothing,
and I'll tell you what there is a whole lot of matter in the universe to just have popped out nowhere.
I also think it is absurd to ignore the beauty of how everything so miraculously works together in the universe to create life.
I believe that God has orchestrated events from the beginning.
I personally do not know if I believe in species to species evolution at the moment because I don't have enough evidence either way to make the call.
I believe that God gave us free will and the ability to choose him or not.
As a result of this choice I believe God will never just shove himself in our face and provide definitive proof of His existence. I think this argument will go on for all existence.
So, personally I see you Madness as just as intellectually crazy as you see Dr. Paul. From my personal perspective you are the one who is not being intellectually honest.
I know you view me and Dr. Paul in that exact same way. Dr. Paul and Dr. Collins are two other extremely intelligent people who seem to disagree with your viewpoint on evolution.
I believe they personally have enough philosophical and physical evidence to believe what they believe in this day and age.
That may change in the future as scientists learn more about our origins.
Originally posted by bakednutz
Ron Paul supports freedom, as do I.
But I am still entitled to an opinion of weather or not I think it is disgusting, or am I?
I never said make it illegal and dont think it should be, but I am not going to support it.
Originally posted by Bugman82
So, let me get this straight......correct me if I'm wrong here please Madness.
You're saying scientists don't advocate the viewpoint at all that matter, in the beginning, came from nothing?
BUT, there has to be a beginning somewhere. You can rattle off string theories and big bang theories and black hole theories and so forth but there is an unanswered question of where it all began. It had to begin somewhere at some point in time with something as facilitator. Matter for the big bang theory had to exist before the bang in some form or another. With string theory there has to be an observer. I can go on and on but you get the diluted hint ......... will scientists simply not answer this question in a straightforward way and ignore it?
I mean if evolutionary theory is so true and there is so much evidence that weighs in against a creator how can scientists have no explanation for the beginning considering that every theory out there that scientists have today involves some kind of particle, membrane, plasma bubble, black hole, or whatever.
Scientists can't even account for the beginning (the most important thing in all history) and you're saying we are being intellectually dishonest to believe in a creator?
Seriously Madness, please give us the numerous links of theories that scientists have a shred of proof for that will tell us where the beginning came from. Where the particles came from. Where the plasma or black holes came from. Where existence itself came from. It would certainly add to the argument against a creator. It would definitely be an interesting read. We are waiting with open ears and open minds. So, please show us where existence came from.........
So, while you have every right to base your presidential choice on non-relevant issues
1: there isn't actually any evidence to show that it exists.
i think a similar system might actually be good for the USA
Originally posted by The Axeman
First of all, religious ideas/beliefs should have no bearing on political contests. Period.
If his personal religious beliefs are a problem for you, then I think you have the problem, not RP. Religious bigotry/discrimination can be perpetrated even by atheists.