Originally posted by Bugman82
reply to post by madnessinmysoul
Yes, Madness from your perspective all who believe that evolution is just a theory aren't intellectually honest people who are suitable for a
presidency position. Well, let's think for a moment.......
yep, you're damn right it's not intellectually honest.
-Ron Paul is a doctor who has probably had more biology in his lifetime then you will ever see in your days of browsing ATS and reading the evolution
vs. creation threads here.
this doesn't amount to anything. the arguments don't require a lifetime of study, they're quite simple. sure, once you get down to specifics, you
need it... but there you just need to look at scientific journals
clearly, all this shows is that ron paul is WILLINGLY denying reality instead of doing so out of ignorance
-The head of the human genome project to map our human genome now does not believe in evolution simply as a result of being a doctor.
argument from authority.
if you want to go with authority, i can whip out more scientists believing in evolution named steve than you can whip out by any name.
also, the head of the "open source" human genome project doesn't
-I personally believe it is simply just as intellectually absurd to not believe in a beginning creator as something cannot come from nothing,
well, clearly you don't understand that evolution has nothing to do with this...
you also don't understand physics
law of conservation of matter and energy: matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed
matter and energy have always existed logically follows
nobody is actually advocating a "something from nothing" argument...
so you've fit in your second logical fallacy, the strawman
and I'll tell you what there is a whole lot of matter in the universe to just have popped out nowhere.
I also think it is absurd to ignore the beauty of how everything so miraculously works together in the universe to create life.
it doesn't really... there are 8-9 planets in this solar system, 1 has life
it isn't working by some miracle, it's working by tenacity and probability. take billions of stars each with 4-9 planets... you're going to
eventually get life.
I believe that God has orchestrated events from the beginning.
yes, but there is absolutely no evidence to support this belief... which means it is a belief that flies in the face of reality, as there is evidence
to support alternative, SCIENTIFIC ideas.
I personally do not know if I believe in species to species evolution at the moment because I don't have enough evidence either way to make the call.
well, there's plenty out there. just do some digging in the stacks of books
I believe that God gave us free will and the ability to choose him or not.
an omniscient being cannot bestow free will...
but that's something for a FST thread...
As a result of this choice I believe God will never just shove himself in our face and provide definitive proof of His existence. I think this
argument will go on for all existence.
which is really sad...
the evidence is all on one side, yet the other side just refuses to budge because they've been indoctrinated to believe that belief without evidence
and not shaking that belief is far more virtuous than belief from evidence.
So, personally I see you Madness as just as intellectually crazy as you see Dr. Paul. From my personal perspective you are the one who is not being
yes, but you have absolutely nothing to back up your argument that i'm intellectually dishonest. all you can say is that i'm wrong because i don't
agree with what you believe. i can say that you deny specific facets of accepted scientific knowledge that has been proven and not falsified.
I know you view me and Dr. Paul in that exact same way. Dr. Paul and Dr. Collins are two other extremely intelligent people who seem to disagree
with your viewpoint on evolution.
again, argument from authority. you could put as many names on a list of people that disagree as you want, but it doesn't amount to a hill of beans
until you get some damn evidence to support the position.
I believe they personally have enough philosophical and physical evidence to believe what they believe in this day and age.
really? because they don't seem to be sharing it with the rest of us... and the times they do, all the evidence is shown to be as solid as a house of
and notice you keep saying "i believe"
but you cannot substantiate said beliefs.
that's why i see this as intellectually dishonest. i can substantiate my beliefs, you cannot.
That may change in the future as scientists learn more about our origins.
yeah... you know, we keep getting all these fossils that evolutionary theory has predicted... like the fish/tetrapod transitional form (why is it that
they say we have no transitional fossils?)
so... science is heavily leaning towards evolution.
Originally posted by bakednutz
Ron Paul supports freedom, as do I.
yet he supports a standing army...
what did george washington have to say about that one?
ah..yes, i remember.
a standing army isn't the friend of freedom...
But I am still entitled to an opinion of weather or not I think it is disgusting, or am I?
sure, you can hold as many opinions that have no base in logic as you want, but you cannot push them on the populace
I never said make it illegal and dont think it should be, but I am not going to support it.
yet ron paul has no problems with a law that makes it illegal to be open about who you are with people you're fighting and dying for...