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Originally posted by apc
Throwing away everything Ron Paul stands for over his personal opinions about gays
or because he's a Christian and like most Christians does not think evolution replaces God seems pretty damn shameful to me.
I don't like his opinions on several things just like you. Abortion, for instance. However I know that short of a Constitutional amendment to reflect Paul's opinions, they are irrelevant as none of them are under the domain of the Executive.
Kucinich isn't a terrible choice... his economic policies completely ignore the real problems we are facing in this country and would do ten fold the damage any of Paul's opinions on gays could do.
Originally posted by jtma508
On evolution. It is a theory. It has always been a theory.
But as has been pointed out here there have been relatively recent findings that challenge the accepted theory.
Does that mean it's either evolution or God manually careted the world in 7 days? Of course not. Things --- especially in nature --- are not black and white. Could there exist elements of 'intelligent' or 'directed' design within the developmental hsitory of life on this planet? Sure.
Genetic Modeling accommodates the occasional 'hiccup' in the linear progression of evolution. But what if some external factor is introduced? A virus from some extraterrestrial object. God. Manipulation by an extraterrestrial higher intelligence. A large scale genetic shift caused by some cosmic event. Any of those would tank evolution as we know it. It is, afterall, called the Theory of Evolution.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
...it's not his opinions about homosexuals alone... it's his opinions regarding legislating it
as well as his opinions regarding legislating sexual conduct in general
like most christians?
i'm sorry, but if you look at the numbers, there isn't a clear creationist majority among christians.
look at... let's say the biggest group of christians in the world, the catholics. they have no problem with evolution.
i personally believe that paul's economic policies wouldn't really do much to help...
Originally posted by apc
You're seeing it backwards. He is against federally legislating it. What the states do is their own business. Not the feds, and not his.
Being a creationist kinda defines being a Christian... Although these days they try to make it sound scientific by calling it Intelligent Design.
History disagrees, so please explain. Give numbers, if you don't mind.
I beg to differ when the average heterosexual finds it
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
but being openly homosexual isn't an internal disruption.
LOL, that is EXACTLY what would happen if you deployed a gay soldier in a combat zone for an extended tour of duty. He's gonna make his desires known and pursue them. Just like our soldiers do whenever they go into combat. Prime example is Hanoi during Vietnam. Our soldiers kept the brothels in business. When a gay soldier has no gay brothel to go to, then he seeks pleasure among his fellow soldiers. Same thing with the Navy port of calls. Our sailors come off for some R&R and go wild. Put them all back on a ship and it would appear to the gay male that heaven has just opened up the gates. I don't want to take a shower in a public barrack with a gay soldier looking at my butt. Neither do the soldiers that are currently deployed.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i'm not talking about being openly homosexual by constantly trying to bed other soldiers (which seems to be a classic myth about what would happen if don't ask don't tell was abolished),
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i just thought it was a patently irresponsible move to endorse anyone who supports the criminalization of homosexual acts...
Originally posted by apc
You're still blaming Ron Paul for something that is an act of individual states. Point the finger where it belongs: on those states that want to regulate what happens in your bedroom.
Reality is subjective.
Originally posted by SimonSays
I beg to differ when the average heterosexual finds it
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
but being openly homosexual isn't an internal disruption.
utterly disgusting to the point of violence.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
LOL, that is EXACTLY what would happen if you deployed a gay soldier in a combat zone for an extended tour of duty.
He's gonna make his desires known and pursue them.
Just like our soldiers do whenever they go into combat. Prime example is Hanoi during Vietnam. Our soldiers kept the brothels in business. When a gay soldier has no gay brothel to go to, then he seeks pleasure among his fellow soldiers.
Same thing with the Navy port of calls. Our sailors come off for some R&R and go wild. Put them all back on a ship and it would appear to the gay male that heaven has just opened up the gates. I don't want to take a shower in a public barrack with a gay soldier looking at my butt. Neither do the soldiers that are currently deployed.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i just thought it was a patently irresponsible move to endorse anyone who supports the criminalization of homosexual acts...
Originally posted by SimonSays
reply to post by madnessinmysoul
Geez, you're responses are quite nonsensical .....
and calling God a bigot is blasphemy
you'll burn for that one .... one day
Originally posted by The Axeman
OK, I'll play.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
1: he doesn't believe in evolution
well...this is simple enough, i don't trust those who don't say that evolution is "just a theory" with running a country.
First of all, religious ideas/beliefs should have no bearing on political contests. Period.
From the Constitution of the United States:
Article. VI.
[...]
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
If his personal religious beliefs are a problem for you, then I think you have the problem, not RP. Religious bigotry/discrimination can be perpetrated even by atheists.
The theory of Evolution removes God from the equasion. I don't believe that either, but I won't deny that animals evolve. I believe God made it that way, and to put forth a theory that omits God's role in it would be unacceptable to any Christian. Doesn't make it right, but he has the right to believe how he likes -- just like you.
At least make it about the issues, not personal feelings.
Originally posted by The Walking Fox
reply to post by SimonSays
Really? Do tell where in the bible it says that he destroyed a city for being gay? You haven't actually read it, have you? First, it was two cities - Sodom, and Gemmorah. Second, according to the story, they were punished for turning away from god, instead choosing to worship themselves.
If you're going to follow a religion, at least read the users' manual, man.
Originally posted by SimonSays
reply to post by madnessinmysoul
Geez, you're responses are quite nonsensical .....
and calling God a bigot is blasphemy
you'll burn for that one .... one day
Lev 11:42 Whatsoever goeth upon the belly, and whatsoever goeth upon [all] four, or whatsoever hath more feet among all creeping things that creep upon the earth, them ye shall not eat; for they [are] an abomination.
Lev 11:12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that [shall be] an abomination unto you.
Originally posted by bakednutz
reply to post by jtma508
Well now you are comparing the disgust of homosexuality to eating crab?
Lame