Originally posted by melatonin
Why would I use evolution to substantiate astronomy? That appears rather a silly suggestion. One is biology, the other physics. That would be a bit
like using geology to 'substantiate' psychology.
Science is NOT evolution but Evolution is "A" part of the evolutionary process of Biology. Forgive my presumption Mel, but I am wary of Atheists
using the word Science synonmously with Evolution hence the analogy of using evolution to substantiate another Science.
I will expect the same exactness in its definition as you do in its theory as to say Evolution is A science doesn't give me the same reason to make
the charge about it not being science as "evolution IS science"
When I think of Science I think of the physical observations and measurements made to understand a phenomen. Perhaps equally important is what Science
Science is NOT evidence: theories aren't evidence, and the opinions of even the most learned scientists aren't evidence.
I hear Florida is next in line to waste tax-payers dosh in a religious crusade against science, like Dover did. And you worry about $$$$$$, heh. Yeah,
give it to lawyers in a vacuous war on science.
Lets make one thing clear here Mel,, Had Atheism and its attack on Religion where intructions to ridicule it and its followers weren't part of it I
would agree and if you can't see how that makes it personal then I don't know what to tell you other then that is what it has become.
Yeah, it has motive. I see organised religion as detrimental and a hindrance to society, and just plain wishful-thinking. It is a dehumanising,
ignorant, mind-controlling pile of piffle, spread like a fear- and guilt-inducing virus to little children before they even have half a decent frontal
lobe and can think for themselves.
But I won't stop you transmitting your blood sacrifice-based virus to your children, that's not in my nature. Just keep your mucky fingers out of
science classrooms - we'll keep burning them every time. I even support comparative RE classes (my son loves them), so you can tell your little
iron-age stories to kids there
Cute mel,, *sigh*
Science and religion are very different, both in what they try to do and in the methods they use to accomplish their objectives. Science trys to
explain origin, nature, the physically detectable universe.
Religion on the other hand trys to explain the meaning of human existence, to define the nature of the human soul, to justify the existence of an
afterlife for humans, and to maintain devotion to a diety or God . Their goals and objectives are different.
Thier methods,, again, are very different.
Science uses the observation of physical processes to answer its questions and relies on modern humans to make inferences from those observations.
Conversely, Religion uses divine inspiration, interpretation of ancient texts, and personal insight as the source of the answers to their questions.
Science and religion are not and should not be in competition in either their methods or their objectives because accomplish different things.
Regardless of their inherent differences, science and religion are distinct but mutually compatible paradigms which Christianity was more then willing
It is when Science attacks Religion in Schools where Religion doesn't have a voice to defend itself that we have a problem and Religion will find a
way to solve it.
When a proponent like yourself speaks to it and us in language I can only describe as nothing less then the monosyllabic diatribe of a smack talking
5th grader, one begins to wonder,, are all science people this intelligent? Are they all this socially inept?
Do I want my kids in something where they think being smarter then any of those believers is by their creative use of disparaging remarks they can
make or how many expletives they can use to describe and deride them into submission to science?
You might think that works but common sense says it won't sell it.
Whether you think Religion is a Brain virus or child abuse I can look at that post and resign myself that "What" YOU are and what YOU represent as
the Scientific community using your post as any clue, is nothing more then a bunch of foul mouthed brats that think they're (no pun) Gods gift to
Mel,, I love Science and I wish I could explain what a spiritual epiphaney is without you having to ask for it in they way it seems it has to be,, but
I can't. I don't make the rules that way and believe me being a Christian isn't easy.
You think I don't know what kind of Opinions of me are made when I talk about this stuff? You don't think I know people like you think I am
I can't ignore what happened to me and what it is or how it changed my life. It's like trying to articulate some of the other things in life we
can't put into words but we all know what it feels like. hehe
I am seriously dismayed at what I see out there among Atheists and whether they feel justified or not, it is only going to make a bigger problem I can
assure you. I was reading a recent essay by Sam Harris "On Faith" and he seems to be re-thinnking many of the problems that are obviously already
I have seen Religion be a Friend and I have seen it be an Enemy but BEGGING for the latter is just what I am afraid they are gonna get.
That we will get what we Pray for
while you get what you wish for
I'm afraid it ain't pretty
for either of us.
[edit on 18-1-2008 by Conspiriology]