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Is There A Conspiracy Of Atheists To Overthrow Christianity?

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posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 02:36 PM
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For those of you who attended the last Atheists for the Destruction of Christianity Conference last month in Anaheim, I seem to have misplaced my USB flash drive with a copy of our intricate plans to manipulate the media, discredit the New Testament, and place lighted bags of dog poop at the front doors of many monasteries.

I have a backup copy, but this information could be sensitive to the security of our super-secret, highly-trained organization of people who all agree that we don't believe in something.

The word, as always, is "mum."




posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 02:47 PM
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If there isn't already a conspiracy to overthrow Christianity, I support anyone who starts it!

Any belief system that pulls you away from accepting life as it is and aspired to making you believe it *should* be this way or that way is causing nothing but mental stress.

And since the entirety of the relgious right are not only Christians, but feel they *should* make the government conform to what *ought* to be, I support any overthrow in progress...

Where do I send my money?

[edit on 16-1-2008 by Quazga]



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by Quazga
If there isn't already a conspiracy to overthrow Christianity, I support anyone who starts it!

Any belief system that pulls you away from accepting life as it is and aspired to making you believe it *should* be this way or that way is causing nothing but mental stress.

And since the entirety of the relgious right are not only Christians, but feel they *should* make the government conform to what *ought* to be, I support any overthrow in progress...

Where do I send my money?

[edit on 16-1-2008 by Quazga]


I'll donate everything I own.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 03:44 PM
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Shhh! Somebody might hear you!



It is threads like this that help reaffirm my atheism in the first place. Religions brainwash their children from a young age so they can continue to rake in the money and have control over the population. Problem is, in todays world children and teenagers are far more able to think for themselves and are opting out of the process.

Religions feel threatened, that their very existence is at stake so they are beginning to get more and more aggressive towards their opponents, including non-religious people.

I went to a Catholic school and the amount of tripe we were put through and force fed was ridiculous. Even music class was singing religious songs. It always reminds me of someone in denial when i think of Christianity. They have a questioning thought about their beliefs and then have to smother themselves with hymns, bible passages etc. to convince themselves again that their beliefs aren't wavering. This little process is slowly ingrained in them through childhood brainwashing too.


In clarifying, i'm not against belief in a God or living a good, moral life. I am against using someone's need for a belief system to control them and extort them, without them even knowing it.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by Anatomic Bomb

Originally posted by pavlovsdog
Would Jesus want ATM's in churches?

Is this serious? Are there really ATM's in churches? Because if there are then the agenda is right there for all to see and there's no way it can be denied.

This is disgusting.


here ya go! was all over the news last year

www.time.com...



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 03:55 PM
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One thing that always makes me laugh; is when people say "I was born a xtian" or so and so was born xtian.

Makes me puke too.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 04:58 PM
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Good afternoon everyone,
I got in some much needed rest. I have just been catching up on the comments made since I signed off this morning.
The majority of these seem not to require a reply; they seem to be of each needing to vent some pent up emotions. I suppose that this would be a good place to do it.
I must admit that some of you have brought some very revealing info to my attention. I was sickened at the news of ATM's in the Church. Somehow, I do not think that the Lord would approve. The word Apostate Churches comes to mind. I suppose that I should not be surprised, but I am.

I left two members unanswered this morning, due to the fact that I had stayed up all night and was no longer making very good sense.
I do not recall who I made the statement to about Priests, solely belonging to the Catholic Church, but I stand corrected on that, and I apologize for it. The word Priest or Priestess is not even confined to the Christian religion.I am probably running out of room here, so I will address the issue with Riley about the word carnal in my next post.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 05:25 PM
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I did a google search to help me explain carnal mind to Riley in a manner that would not be offensive. In doing so, I found some information that also explains the difference in living the Spirit-filled life vs those that are still carnally minded (biblical sense).


Romans 8:11 Therefore, the carnal mind breaks one's existence with God and becomes death. According to what Paul says, "The carnal mind is death." In contrast, "The spiritual mind is life and peace." To put it another way, no matter how much serious effort and devotion one puts in, when one is under the control of the flesh, it means that it is impossible in every way to have a life with a relationship with God or the peace and tranquility which only such a life can bring.



Romans 8:12 "As long as the Spirit of God is dwelling within you, you are not in the flesh but under the control of the Spirit. The person who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to Christ. If Christ is in you, even though the body is dead through sin 'the spirit' turns to life through righteousness. If the Spirit of the one who raised Jesus from the dead dwells within you, the one who raised Jesus from the dead will make your bodies, though they should be dead, alive by that Spirit who dwells in you,"



God might be dwelling or might not be dwelling, just, if he does dwell [in you]..." Here the phrase should be translated much better as "since the Spirit of God does dwell in you." Do we know when the Spirit of God is dwelling? Can you feel [his indwelling]? You don't dare say you've seen Him, do you? Paul is not talking here of a foundation in sense experience. He turns their attention on the truth that they are just to become persons who belong to Christ because the Spirit of God is none other than the Spirit of Christ and the person who does not have the Spirit of Christ could never belong to Christ. This is the same thing Paul said in another letter, "I want to say to you here. No one who speaks in the Spirit of God says 'Let Jesus be abandoned by God' and no one can say 'Jesus is Lord' unless by the Holy Spirit," (First Corinthians 12:3).

15. Certainly just as Paul had stated, sin dwells in our flesh as long as we are humans living in this world. (7:17-20) However, sin does not dwell alone now. The Spirit of God is dwelling in [us]. And since the Spirit of God dwells in us we are under the control of the Spirit and not the flesh. Consequently, even though the battle goes on, there's no need to live as if we were fighting alone.

16. Furthermore, please take note of several other ways he has put the truth of the Spirit of God's indwelling. It means several different apsects regarding the giving of the Holy Spirit. First, Paul says, "Since Christ is in you."



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 06:05 PM
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you are doing it again.

You have backed yourself into a corner, so quick to try and refute Riley and his assertation that your use of the phrase 'carnal mind' implies sinful and degrading, while you contest that it simply means 'not of the spirit but rather of the flesh'

What exactly do you think 'of the flesh' is referring to

In the New Testament, besides these it is also used to denote the sinful element of human nature as opposed to the "Spirit" (Rom 6:19; Mat 16:17). Being "in the flesh" means being unrenewed (Rom 7:5; Rom 8:8, Rom 8:9), and to live "according to the flesh" is to live and act sinfully (Rom 8:4, Rom 8:5, Rom 8:7, Rom 8:12). This word also denotes the human nature of Christ (Joh 1:14, "The Word was made flesh." Compare also Ti1 3:16; Rom 1:3).
www.sacred-texts.com...

you will notice the BOLD section of the paragraph above is specifically in reference to Romans 8 - which I believe is where you are getting your ideads about being 'in the spirit' from. It's odd that the very chapter that you are defending so vehemently makes Rileys case.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by AncientVoid

Why are you bring that stuff into this forum? You don't see me bringing stuff from a relioious website and start saying "look at this!". There's already enough of it on ATS.


Ill tell her why AtheistVoid, BECAUSE SHE CAN

If I were an Atheist knowing what those sites say and that the Moderators don't maintain a modicum of civility like they do here. What is said here is not a true depiction of what is not only the most candid look at the vitriolic treatment of Religion but it's mandate to be just that way.

You will undoubtedly hear the comparison they insist YOU REQUESTED to they use to "challenge" your "world view" but make no mistake, this is to mock your belief in God as tantamount to believing in fairy tales or the santa clause.

In identifying the protocols for inductive arguments and illogical fallacy, this is called guilt by association can associate Christianity with things that everyone agrees are imaginary, mythological hoaxes, or fairy tales, then Christianity becomes nothing more than that. But Christianity is not the same class as Santa Claus, the most obvious distinction they readily may admit to themselves but invariably dismis in a refusal to accept their logical premise is seriously flawed,, is that these same Adults also know unequivocally santa clause is a myth and God is as real as an atheist is wrong for assuming I believe in things that aren't real.

It is not a matter of what is right and wrong or even proof for that matter, I mean can you honestly believe these people would if they could? I don't.


I see them using the same rhetoric telling the burning bush it is a fallacy. They are vehemently against the mere mention of the word God.

I recently heard about A love interest of Richard Dawkins, while faking an orgasm to bolster his quasi male insecurity began Saying "Oh God Oh God just like that just like that,, yes yes OH GOD,,,but only exascerbated the situation giving him erectile dysfunction.

This is not a joke but gossip I've heard at Atheist meetings. What is Ironic is they say OUR belief in God is how we add toxic shame to such natural biological functions.

They portray atheism is an elite state, a superior order of being, a plane of enlightenment denied to thickoes.

I frequent Dawkins forum quite a bit just to keep up with their "plans" to, as sam harris says, stay under the radar and infiltrate our politics with an agenda to remove every trace if God, Faith, and all those political leaders who believe. One Atheist accusing us of being less then Christian by becoming a member of an atheist org in my area as deceit while WE GOT THE IDEA long before from a post by an atheist who uploaded an obviously manufactured video of Steven Hawkings. in it, he is denouncing his Atheism using Microsoft Sam as the dubbed in voiceover. It has worked quite well I must say seeing all the posts of others saying how pathetic Christians are.

The guy who uploaded it along with the rest of his cult, offered their positive affirmations to the cleverness for the cause. I see this idiot likes to pose as the nerdy Christian in more Videos

I see it for what it is.

and who it is that is desperate.

You probably know some people with high IQs. You may even have met members of Mensa Does it strike you, brilliant though they are, that they have a deeper understanding of truth, beauty and all that you need to know about life than the rest of us?

Then the lables come next, Get ready Christian, you will be ridiculed like you most of you have never been before. You will be called "flat earther" "faither" be faced with a litany of Biblical errors they say are contradictions of the bible they have googled off the internet but what they know about the bible you could put on a postage stamp.

They will accuse you of shoving Religion in there face and down there throats while invading a christian chatroom saying what they do is to "educate" or "challenge" our "world view" GET USED TO SEEING THESE WORDS FOR THEY ARE ALL part of the venomous vitriolic vernacular of the adversarial new religious hater called "Atheism".

Make no mistake Christian, they are in fact the enemy of everything you believe in. They don't want to have a voice they want to be THEE FINAL WORD. They don't want to share a place, they want to BE the place.

They don't want jump on the bandwagon, they want to BE the Bandwagon.

They don't want you to see them as equals, they already are our superior and they have their own dogma, their own agenda their own grand plan. THEY WANT TO CRUSH, KILL, DESTROY, your faith and your religion. Not JUST your religion but ALL Religion.

Our church in a collaborative effort with other religious faiths from islam muslim, Jewish, even some Scientologists have joined us. We have been posing as Atheists in there meetings here in my state and others. We have been reading everything Dawkins and Harris, others can get our hands on. The reason we were approached by these other sects is that it is quite obvious we are all being attacked in a well planned well organized anti god anti religious movement called Atheism. They were so repulsive in their Ideas and so absolutley dispicable in what I can only say is this stuck up intellectual snobbery they all not only KNOW they act like but is also something you better get used to.


They Actually LIKE being combative, subversive, abrasive. They are instructed this is the only way to,,

"scorn Religion and the Faithfull into realizing bad behavior as primitive" - Richard Dawkins.

That we are carriers of a belief system that is antiquated, useless, childish, silly and stupid. That we actually have been a form of child abuse by raising our kids in an environment where Religion retards their intellectual growth and prolongs the suffering they have to go through by being at the effect of a society, a government run by nitwits rather then the intelligencia elite Dawkin Wannabe Groupies.

Christians know that since they intend to lump all religion into one despised bundle of biblebabbling bigots, You need to know what the council of Faith has determined is what we MUST do to PUT ATHEISTS BACK IN THEIR BASEMENT DEBUNKED AS DEBASED DEBAUCHERY. That whether they "get it or not" that WE CAN NOT AFFORD TO CARE, WE CAN NOT ASSUME THEY ARE BEING RUDE OR CONDESCENDING MERELY AS WORDLY OR SECULAR BEHAVIOR.

THEY ARE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO INFLICT CONFUSION HUMILIATION AND RIDICULE BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE ABOUT.

While you would waste your time seeing them as a soul that Jesus came to save, I would tell you they are not of the elect. They are by their own choice, their own volition the willfull and deliberate Reprobate.


If Christianity was something we were making up, of course we could make it easier. But it isn't. We can't compete, with atheism's disregard for things like using all those clever expletives, insulting someone without any regard for those that may be offended as they see themselves using the limits of logic and Reason predicated on a premise that they HAVE the FACTS., THEY HAVE THE TRUTH, THEY HAVE SCIENCE OF EVOLUTION AND THEY BELIEVE IT IS WHAT SETS THEM FREE OF RELIGIOSITY and what makes them RIGHT in there eyes.

THEY NEITHER WERE IN BONDAGE BY NOR will UNDERSTAND PAST THEIR OWN INTERPRETATIONS THEY INSIST THEY KNOW BETTER.

Who are they kidding? NOT I.


We can't compete with people who are inventing religions behind the guise of no religion at all. How could we? We're dealing with fact with a roadmap to stay on course for a happy family life. Of course anyone can be simple if he has no reputation to live up to other then the one they live moment by moment indulging in whatever their heart desires and their heart desires nothing more then to satisfy the flesh and further inflate their over exaggerated opinion of themselves cheaply enhancing their ego by belittling the Faithful


This isn't hatchet job on Atheism, this is first hand experience reading the books, attending meetings and being the butt end of jokes and hostility by these terminally self righteuous mirror images of fundamentalist religious zealots called Atheists.

Here is what you will see and hear.



So,, what do we do about it?

I think we Christians owe a debt of Gratitude to Atheists for motivating all religions to find a common enemy moreover I advise we use restraint not becoming fundamentalist but rather

EXTREMIST MILITANT CHRISTOLOGISTS and NOT GIVE THEM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT ANY LONGER. Not allow them to trap us into that goody goody Christian reputation to live up to that while they post that venomous in your face hate of everything we stand for, you in turn while trying to stay "civil" not to have them call you a hipocrite without Christian kindness. This will only cause you to lose your focus and concentration in arguments of Morality.

The Bottom line is Atheism has no basis for logical moral behavior and Ill explain why they can't tell.


assert that there is no absolute categories of good and evil, that all morals are merely personal, social and evolutionary constructs but then you can still describe Christians and Christianity as absolutely immoral, repugnant and evil and a danger to humanity and not feel even a twinge of hypocrisy at the monumental illogic of your position.


One cannot indict the justice of God on the basis of a fallen world. He did not cause it to be fallen, but he works within it to bring redemption to those who believe.


Adam and Eve were excluded from the Garden of Eden for disobeying God, not for desiring knowledge. God did not forbid knowledge, but experiential knowledge of evil. His command protected them from evil; they left his protection and chose to disobey.

You can tell an atheist this and they will insist on only seeing it as the failings of a loving God. What God would do this etc completely ignoring the fact that Adam and Eve are responsible for there own actions ostensibly a concept they can not grasp or choose to ignore but is true nevertheless.

So you see it is clear, that if they can not see where culpability in ones own spurious acts or transgressions are the responsibility of the transgressor,,then why would anyone believe

They would take responsibilty

for their own.


- Con



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 06:15 PM
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As with all topics Op here at ATS you will find views that swing wildy to extremes in all directions, maybe this is why you are feeling the pinch.

I am leaning towards intelligent design. but in no way do i like organised religion .. not one bit .... if you exclude the current resource wars that are obviously going on around the planet. religion is the MAJOR cause of all wars through out human history ..

Oh what a better planet this would be if people didn't fight for things that actually are not their (scientifically of course).

their may have been a creator but i think every book on the subject has it wrong , and these are just a means to an end to subjegate the mass populace..

Slave away in this life coz their is a big reward at the end of it .. yeah right.

[edit on 16/1/08 by Quantum_Squirrel]



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 06:26 PM
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The only thing I'm tired of, is people posting posts about a conspiracy and having it go offtopic.

In particular it seems, the ones about religion. They always end up being nothing but posts preaching/defending/explaining about religion and opposing posts mocking/criticizing it.

But in the end, it's not about a conspiracy, but some long discussion about religion. We're not here to discuss religion in general. Almost every thread in this forum starts out this way, and devolves into a religious discussion or debate.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 06:36 PM
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i would like to just say something...

if there is a god as the christians have described... he deserves nothing more than to be deposed by a rebellion.

but that's just my two cents (in euros now)



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 06:40 PM
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I have said all that I intend to say on the subject of carnal or carnal mind. Because no matter what I say or what material I present; You choose to be offended. WE are ALL sinners. That is why we needed a Savior. Now, That is all that I have to say about it.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 06:47 PM
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Originally posted by Jadette
The only thing I'm tired of, is people posting posts about a conspiracy and having it go offtopic.

In particular it seems, the ones about religion. They always end up being nothing but posts preaching/defending/explaining about religion and opposing posts mocking/criticizing it.

But in the end, it's not about a conspiracy, but some long discussion about religion. We're not here to discuss religion in general. Almost every thread in this forum starts out this way, and devolves into a religious discussion or debate.


I really couldn't agree with you more. But that does seem to be the case here. I suppose that that is why the Mods have moved it from it's original location. Personally, I see it more as venting a lot of personal emotions. Thank you for your input here.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by fooffstarr
Religions feel threatened, that their very existence is at stake so they are beginning to get more and more aggressive towards their opponents, including non-religious people.



Religion is an anvil that has worn out more hammers then thousand generations of atheists and by the way, our opponents are becoming COMponents in what I would say is stemming the tide of another form of Nazism, with all that stuff you guys are talking about with altering the species accelerating your own ideal of what humans "should" be while calling the faithfull victims of a negative mutation in the brain a sort of Virus memeplex..



so they are beginning to get more and more aggressive


Yeah I know some Atheists ( no seriously, they are) involved in a holdings company. They would like Dawkins to give a talk in Saudi Arabia all expenses paid.

- Con



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by Conspiriology
"scorn Religion and the Faithfull into realizing bad behavior as primitive" - Richard Dawkins.


Heh, con, where did you get that from?

Sounds nothing like the words of an oxbridge academic.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i would like to just say something...

if there is a god as the christians have described... he deserves nothing more than to be deposed by a rebellion.

but that's just my two cents (in euros now)


That was tried before

Satan lost

- Con



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by melatonin

Originally posted by Conspiriology
"scorn Religion and the Faithfull into realizing bad behavior as primitive" - Richard Dawkins.


Heh, con, where did you get that from?

Sounds nothing like the words of an oxbridge academic.


Yeah it is not verbatim I am sure I missed a couple more adjectives lol
Ahh go to youtube its called "TED" with Richard Dawkins a speech he gave.

You will love the speech I mean his sense of humor is naturally poking fun at Christians but even I laughed.

- Con

[edit on 16-1-2008 by Conspiriology]



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 07:41 PM
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This is how I see it. Atheists and others are allowed to follow their own delusion because they have refused the truth. There is a "conspiracy" against Christianity and God but we were warned of this in advance. It says we are all given the same opportunity and if we have the faith of a mustard seed, He will reveal Himself to us. This is how it happened to me. I was a stubborn, belligerent atheist until I finally said, "Fine, God. I'm willing to believe but I need some proof. If you're there, now is your time to shine." I'm not going to get into any specifics but He did respond- in a way that was more than I could have asked for. But if we plug our ears like spoiled brats screaming, "No, No, No!" then He will also grant our request. And that is to leave us alone.

We are told the "spirit of Antichrist" (meaning the general hatred of God and His people) will exist until God Himself puts an end to it. We are also told that a student will never be above the teacher and that they hated Jesus without cause. So, if they hated Jesus (the teacher) without cause when He did nothing but love, give, and sacrifice Himself for us, then they are going to hate us (the student) too because we aren't anywhere near His level. We're people. Flawed, regular people. We're hypocrites, liars, thieves, and cheats. We try. We strive. But if they hated Him who never did anything wrong, healed the sick, fed the poor, and ultimately died for them, then of course they will hate us because we mess up daily.

We were warned that we "do not wrestle against flesh and blood but against power and principalities." People hate us. Alright. What's the worse they can do- kill us? Alright. I'm still not worried. It's happening exactly the way He warned us. He also said they don't hate us but they hate the one who is in us- and that is God. It's not worth getting angry or hating them over (not saying you do- in fact you don't seem to at all, this is just a general statement). They're just people, too. They've been brainwashed and deceived. How can we get angry at them for that? It's all in His hands, not our own. We are to pray for, love, and forgive them.

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