Originally posted by Clearskies
reply to post by pavlovsdog
How can you NOT know that these are the basic tenants of True Christianity?
The thief on the cross beside Jesus was taken to paradise WITHOUT being baptised, taught catechisms or even sacraments!
This is not new.
The anabaptists were so-called, (evangelists) killed, and persecuted for teaching repentance and conversion, followed by full emersion!
preceded by the Waldensions, the Hussites and the Lollards.
Great men and Women of Faith!!!
I posted this in another thread, so be it:
Thief’s case is the special one. Using similar logic, people doesn’t even have to hear for Gospels and Christ words as they will be saved like
thief on cross.
Just left absurdity for a while (Luke 23:41):
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We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve.
You see, he confessed his sin!
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But this man has done nothing wrong.
And then he repented them.
That’s why he was saved, but please, everybody who heard Christ words [Gospels] and didn’t baptize they can’t be saved.
Let us talk about it.
First of all Jesus Christ was baptized – Matthew 3:13-17.
13Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14But John tried to deter him, saying, "I need to be baptized by you, and do
you come to me?" 15Jesus replied, "Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness." Then John consented. 16As soon
as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting
on him. 17And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."
Christ didn’t baptize anybody, but that did his disciples – John 4:1-2.
1The Pharisees heard that Jesus was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John, 2although in fact it was not Jesus who baptized, but his
disciples.
What were the last commands by Christ – Matthew 28:18?
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
What Our Lord said more – Mark 16:16 [basically the same as Matthew above]?
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Even more – John 3:5.
Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Born in water means baptize and born in Spirit means chrismation. In Orthodox Church when one is baptized he is baptized both by water [baptism –
1st Holy Mystery] and Spirit [chrismation – 2nd Holy Mystery] just like Our Lord said in John 3:5.
There are so many references in Acts and Epistles that I think there is no need to write them all.
Peace
[edit on 16-1-2008 by Vojvoda]
