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Is There A Conspiracy Of Atheists To Overthrow Christianity?

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posted on Mar, 30 2008 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
The Catholic Church and George Bush. Pretty scary. The Catholic Church has always been more of a political organization than a religious one.


I am not Catholic but I know most of them are trying to serve God.

What scares you the most; The fact that they are feeding the worlds poor in India, Haiti and Africa? Or perhaps you object to taking care of AIDS babies.

www.catholiccharitiesusa.org...
crs.org...


Yeah those evil Catholics would dare climb a mountain to take care of a baby like this...


Would you?




Climbing Mountains to Reach Orphans


By Kai T. Hill

Deep in the picturesque mountains of Lesotho, there lies a problem within a problem. The southern African country is one of the smallest on the continent, yet ranks third in the world for HIV prevalence. In this nation encircled by South Africa, nearly one in four people is infected with HIV. Many have died, leaving an estimated 100,000 children orphaned.

"Without parents, orphaned children are often left to fend for themselves. They must somehow find the food, education, life skills, family support and love that many people take for granted," says CRS Lesotho's Country Representative, John Shumlansky.

In 2006, with funding from the Lesotho government's National AIDS Commission, Catholic Relief Services and the Lesotho Catholic Bishops' Conference started the Mountain Orphan and Vulnerable Children's Empowerment project (MOVE), a comprehensive approach to caring for orphans in the communities of Bobete, Nkau and Nohana.

crs.org...

That’s really only scary if you are on the side of death, disease and destruction. Is that really the side you want to be on?




Here are some scary numbers regarding the amount of Christians in the world:
Catholic - 1.1 Billion (that's a number I would worry about. You're worried about Atheists?)
Protestant - 800 Million
Eastern Orthodox - 260 Million
Oriental Orthodox - 79 Million
Nontrinitarian - 13 million
Nestorianism - 1 million

source: en.wikipedia.org...


Again what so scary about it?

The fact that all those religions teach you to love your neighbor perhaps?

There's good and evil in the world. Whose side are you on?



That's over 2 Billion people. Add to that: How many Jews? How many Muslims? How many Buddhists? How many Pagans? Etc....

Now...how many Atheists are there? You are all worried about Atheists?



Well again ignorance that needs denying. Atheism is the third largest religion in the world. Sixteen percent and growing is not as insignificant as you represent it to be.





• Christianity: 2.1 billion
• Islam: 1.5 billion
• Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion

www.adherents.com...



Will you all only be happy when EVERYONE is a Christian (and an acceptable form of Christian)?


That would make God happy…

9The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9

Sure it would make us happy. I wish that you get everything in life that want for myself. Love, happiness and contentment... I have found through experience that these are not available from the pleasures of the world.






[edit on 3/30/2008 by Bigwhammy]




posted on Mar, 30 2008 @ 02:34 PM
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Ummm, why would you say Chinese Atheists different from any other Atheists? That's racial division; something I'm sure your god would not appreciate.

Well I have a question I always wanted to ask a strong Christian believer:

I have been around the world (literally) and witnessed many, many major religions. Everyone seems to be equally devoted to the fact that their god is real, that their religion is the real one. Their minds are almost mingled with their religion and they would swear on their life that the religion they believe in is the only, true religion in the world.

So, my question is what makes Christianity so special? It was actually made after many other religions that came before it. How can you be so sure that no matter what, your religion is real and the other ones are not?

~Greg

[edit on 30-3-2008 by morgul]



posted on Mar, 30 2008 @ 02:45 PM
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One other question I would like to ask.

According to Christianity, those that do not believe in Jesus will suffer, right? (I'm not trying to slander your religion here, but that is correct, am I right?).

So what about everyone that does not have a chance to become Christian? What if they are not exposed to Christianity? Not every country is filled with Christians as is the case in America, so what about many countries on the Eastern part of the world, such as in Asia? What if they are good people? Are they destined to burn in hell because of something that is entirely not their wrongdoing? How do you justify their fate after life?

Furthermore, what about those whom were born before the birth of Christianity? They followed their religions practices and customs, many of which oppose the laws of Christianity. Were they thrown in Hell, too, because they were not faithful believes of Jesus?

~Greg



posted on Mar, 30 2008 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by Clearskies
Are you an atheist?
If so, you are proving the op's point.


It's funny because at the beginning of this thread several atheists came forward and said they 'hope' there is a conspiracy to overthrow religion...

Now seriously, I pointed this out. Many times. And what did the atheists say? "That doesn't mean anything."

Whatever you say. I acknowledge that there are extremist Muslims and Christians but the Atheist cannot acknowledge the aggression of his own brothers.



posted on Mar, 30 2008 @ 02:51 PM
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So, my question is what makes Christianity so special? It was actually made after many other religions that came before it. How can you be so sure that no matter what, your religion is real and the other ones are not?


Mohamed, Buddha, Joesph Smith, and L Ron Hubbard all have graves.

Jesus Christ doesn't have a grave because he rose from the dead

That would be the primary reason.



posted on Mar, 30 2008 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by morgul
According to Christianity, those that do not believe in Jesus will suffer, right?


No. Jesus said all Men can know 'God' in their hearts. All people can know and give love... the absence of love is what causes suffering. To know nothing of love or kindness or 'higher thought' is suffering... Buddha teaches the same concept. Lack of understanding leads to suffering... not lack of Christianity.

All religion and science is a gesture towards higher knowledge... higher knowledge is something that has to be strived for. If a person does not strive for knowledge, do they not suffer because of it?



posted on Mar, 30 2008 @ 03:22 PM
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How can you prove Jesus doesn't have a grave?


And so would it require for the lack of a tombstone to determine if the religion is genuine or not? Is it just a slab of rock or burial site that makes that religion untrue?



posted on Mar, 30 2008 @ 03:24 PM
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Yes, they would suffer, so you are correct.

But I am not so sure about the strive for both science and religion. Science and religion contradict each other. I can provide many examples of that if you want.

edit: typo

[edit on 30-3-2008 by morgul]



posted on Mar, 30 2008 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by riley

Originally posted by Clearskies

Originally posted by dk3000
A conspiracy of atheists to over-throw Christianity?

God, I hope so. The reason for my hope is that many Christians are so misled by their ministers and such....Poof!



Are you an atheist?
If so, you are proving the op's point.

Not really. Someone saying "I hope so" doesn't prove atheists are conspiring.. might prove he/she doesn't like christianity though.

[edit on 30-3-2008 by riley]


Riley- you have been paying attention! That'll get you into trouble


And for all in here- in my own words- I am about as far from athiesm as you can get and equally as removed from Christianity.

Jmdewey60 I would love to read your post before it got removed- I gave you a star anyway and another for coming back after you were slapped for opening your "big" bile filled mouth! Much can be learned from angry response- this is not allowed because of political correctness and trying to please everybody all the time. I have lost many points and probably their have been table discussions as to whether or not to ban my account completely. I do not know if this is true- but I think someone high up is looking out for me and is a closet fan of mine. My point is- you show grace, courage and enlightenment by returning with humility- and this proves to me- that you do not need Christianity to find a better way!

Clearskies- I am not an atheist and nor am I trying to prove the OP's intent via my posted comments. I have an opinion and that is all and it is what it is based on my experiences. The Creator is very much in my heart mind and soul and because of my experiences with Christianity I nearly lost this priceless and most important connection.

Being there is a "conspiracy" for everything these days, I thought I would pop in here having read the thread and several comments. My comment was what it was and is.

btw, bigwhammy's picture of the starving baby looks like a little mini Ahmadinejad. Now this can be seen as funny, crude, witty, cruel, mean, evil or any number of things- but it is exactly what came to mind when I saw it. Would I climb a mountain to save this baby- truth be told- I would climb mount Everest to save that child and that has nothing to do with being a Christian or an atheist - it is because that is my particular brand of human nature and I am far from alone.

There is a conspiracy of Christians over-throwing atheism and there is likely a conspiracy of atheists to over-throw Christianity.

My original comment in here was a reflection of my take on the issue. That is all it was.

Here is an interest piece of evidence if anyone is reading this comment. Christianity is capitalized in the editing tool, however atheism is not. Add a capitalized spelling of Atheism will not work or function unless it follows the appropriate punctuations or is the beginning of a sentence- wear as christianity is always capitalized regardless of grammar. Looking at the word right now- it has a little red line under it warning me of its importance and relevance in its insatiable need to be more important that I feel it is. So I will type it again- christianity. Another red line. Now for atheism- nope no funny red line- I guess I must have spelled atheism correctly and used it properly.

While we all discuss issues- it is being decided for us what is and what is not important. Our bickering simply keeps us busy entertaining all the BS as the real important issues are being decided!

IMO of course



posted on Mar, 30 2008 @ 03:29 PM
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American Atheists.



Ashley....how many members do they have? I asked for a group with enough members to be a concern. There is no mention of amounts of members on that site. Why? Probably because there aren' that many or else surely they would want to brag.

Let's take a look at this pie chart again:



It looks like you mis-read this pie chart on purpose Bigwhammy to help your cause. It doesn't say 16% are Atheists does it? NO....it doesn't. Nice try. Your usual propaganda.

Why don't you tell us how many of those 16% are atheist?

You see, it says 16% are non-religious (that is not the definition of Atheist).

That 16% are:
Agnostic
Atheist
Secular Humanist
Answered "None"

It also says that half of this group ARE theistic but non-religious (did you miss that part?). That would put, according to this one particular source, the number at 8% Atheist. And....so what? Are they organizing in large groups to overthrow the world?

It makes pefect sense to me that of the world's population, around 8% could be Atheist...and so what? 92% of the world believe in some form of God and 8% don't. GET OVER IT! That seems to be a logical amount and quite understandable. So, who cares? How does it affect your life? Your anger and hate toward this group and various other groups only does damage to you and your people. If you put positive energy out to the world, you will get positive energy back. You put out negative energy...well, of course you see what happens when you put out negative energy and hate.

It's funny how this religious debates always get so "spirited" and the Christians NEVER take any responsiblity for it.


[edit on 30-3-2008 by Excitable_Boy]



posted on Mar, 30 2008 @ 03:34 PM
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16% of the world is Atheists? Actually most studies indicate about 13%, but close enough.

Still, you must admit 16% isn't even close to the majority or even a quarter of the majority.

That means that statistically, for every 50 people, there are 8 Atheists. I think we're outnumbered
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posted on Mar, 30 2008 @ 03:43 PM
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Technically, no one belief system is in the majority, though. Even Christians are a 'minority' if we group the world's population by Christians vs. Non Christians. Now if you would like to say theists vs. atheists, Oh ya. You guys are outnumbered.


Seriously, though. What is being shown is that atheists are not the minute minority sometimes reported. In fact, they have some pretty big numbers.



posted on Mar, 30 2008 @ 03:54 PM
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Exactly all I was doing was disproving the misleading assertion put forth by ex-boy that atheists were a small insignificant group. Hardly...

The most populated country in the world is officially atheist. It also has the honor of the highest level of mass murder in the world again its official religion is declared atheism.


[edit on 3/30/2008 by Bigwhammy]



posted on Mar, 30 2008 @ 03:58 PM
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Bigwhammy....you may have missed some of my last post as I was doing some editing. Why don't you go back and read. Why don't you go back and read that pie chart. It clearly states that 8% are Atheist and you purposely mis-read it.

Non-religious is not the definiton of Atheist. Nice try.



posted on Mar, 30 2008 @ 04:02 PM
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8% of the world is not insignificant!!!



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posted on Mar, 30 2008 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by morgul
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16% of the world is Atheists? Actually most studies indicate about 13%, but close enough.

Still, you must admit 16% isn't even close to the majority or even a quarter of the majority.

That means that statistically, for every 50 people, there are 8 Atheists. I think we're outnumbered
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He claims 13% again all I was doing was refuting your claim that you are the minority. Hardly - your still third out of all the religious faiths in world the religious faith of atheism is in the top 3. Interesting....



posted on Mar, 30 2008 @ 04:10 PM
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As far as I'm concerned, 8% of the world's population has not had some sort of mass gathering to try and overthrow a certain religion. I assure you that you can rest safely knowing that the next morning, your church will still be where it is and I will still be in my house, at work, and attending to my family.

Just because I have not devoted my life to Christianity does not make me heartless or murderous. I don't sit here all day, plotting how to destroy your religion.



posted on Mar, 30 2008 @ 04:17 PM
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Why is so hard to understand that just because you aren't in on it, doesn't prove there is no conspiracy??? It's academic. I mean only the conspirators are in on it. They are most obviously led my the "New Atheists" like Dawkins and Hitchens, they have openly called for an end to religious faith.

Why deny it? It makes you appear deceptive. Its being done in public in front of everyone.

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posted on Mar, 30 2008 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by Bigwhammy
Why is so hard to understand that just because you aren't in on it, doesn't prove there is no conspiracy???


I kind of gave up trying to prove that point.
For some reason, they think just because not every atheist under the sun is in on it, it must not be occurring. Not sure how to get the definition of a conspiracy to sink in.



posted on Mar, 30 2008 @ 04:26 PM
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