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Is There A Conspiracy Of Atheists To Overthrow Christianity?

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posted on Feb, 15 2008 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
...you clearly also misunderstand what an atheist is
and atheist is anyone who doesn't profess a belief in the supernatural...
i'm a buddhist as well, by the way. it totally works, as the belief in the supernatural doesn't really jive with my reason.


Simply calling yourself a buddhist does little to re-iterate true Buddhist precepts.

One of the main precepts of buddhism is to deny the ego. This involves denying judgement.

To judge others for their 'superstitious' beliefs is not Buddhist. To judge other peoples belief, in any capacity, is not Buddhist.

To evaluate ones OWN understanding of reality is Buddhist. Buddhism has nothing to do with giggling at the Bible or calling yourself an atheist. These are things that have nothing to do with Buddhism.

So I have to ask, why bring up the fact that you consider yourself a Buddhist? Does this validate your opinions? Is this relevant to the discussion of atheism vs. christianity?

The truth is, Christianity professes the same Buddhist principle of non-judgement.

Hypocrisy is fun though.




posted on Feb, 15 2008 @ 08:16 PM
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The truth is, Christianity professes the same Buddhist principle of non-judgement.

Hypocrisy is fun though.


You're right, and have every post within all 26 pages of this htread to back you up



posted on Feb, 15 2008 @ 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

Imagine how tired they are of the constant, incessant yabbering from YOU about how they're all "Godless" or have no moral values or how every bad thing in history was because of atheism, etc. There's no new arguments in this debate. And of course the "they want to kill us!" thing. Holy hell, I'm tired of seeing that crap, and I'm further from an atheist than any of you.



The religious are hardly innocent of what you're laying at the atheist's feet here. As I said, no new arguments with this topic.



Yet here you are with that same story about you NOT being an atheist while I see you argue in their defense on a daily basis as a not this not that what ever





Jesus did mention something about prayer in a closet. Speaking of closets, hey, you know it's not atheists who have created such a pleasant thing as the closetedness of many homosexuals. I'm sure you'll find a way to blame Stalin and through him every atheist in the world.


So what are you saying Christians gave Homosexuals an inferiority complex ? I don't think thats possible without their consent.



You don't live in the United States, I take it? We actually have stats that forbid anyone who's an atheist or agnostic from holding office here. It's way beyond saturday morning unwanted visitors. If it were just JW's or Mormons knocking on my door in the morning, I would be ecstatic.


what do you mean "WE" who is WE? The gestapo has not been near my house as far as I know.

I don't know WHO is knocking on your door. I got me a 160lb Rotwieler and he seems to keep EVERYONE away from mine. Perhaps you could use a friend like a Dog in that way.



Well, first, there's a HUGE difference between your doorstep and a public forum on the internet, you know? Don't want to see an atheist in a bad mood? Don't open a thirty-page thread accusing atheists of being part of a global plot to massacre Christians or whatever. You're the one opening the door.




Yep and you came to attack it just as I have said. I don't bother with threads I have no belief in. Im genuine like that.



As for the rest of your very, very, very long sentence here, I would suggest you save your sympathy for someone more deserving than Sizzle.


You are a stickler for the typos and all that other MINUTIA

I am not the one accepting her apology am I .


- Con



[edit on 15-2-2008 by Conspiriology]



posted on Feb, 15 2008 @ 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by NewWorldOver

The truth is, Christianity professes the same Buddhist principle of non-judgement.

Hypocrisy is fun though.


They have no idea what an atheist is either, my god you see that bunk posted about how many Madd says ther are and what Sam Harris says.

Here is a great link for ya new world,, Ill send it u2u

take care

- Con



posted on Feb, 15 2008 @ 08:31 PM
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Oh well, then I'll just ignore you. I think that's probably enough.



posted on Feb, 15 2008 @ 08:42 PM
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Nam meyo ho renge kyo now say that a thousand times and good "stuff" happens. You know what is ironic is Dawkins and harris have both made somewhat similar judgements as to "how to deal with buddists" .

Ill see if I can find the video and send you the link.

I knew the kids Dad (Garcia) one of them who was involved in the buddist monk killings here in Phoenix many years ago. My Dad was a Phx cop back then. I didn't know them but I had heard the monks were a real stand up group. Our Church helped with a lot of donations to get the families what ever help they needed.

I didn't see any stories of any atheists doing a damn thing for them.



You're right, and have every post within all 26 pages of this htread to back you up


PS Umm fox,, what is "htread" ?

Talk about my posts sheesh

- Con


[edit on 15-2-2008 by Conspiriology]



posted on Feb, 15 2008 @ 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by Conspiriology
Yet here you are with that same story about you NOT being an atheist while I see you argue in their defense on a daily basis as a not this not that what ever


If pointing out that your attitude is crap or that other posters are posting false information is "defending atheists" then I guess you got me. Maybe you should take an approach that doesn't involve mass dehumanization and lies to attack 'em, if you don't wanna deal with me
But for the record, I'm pagan - an animist to be exact, learning shamanic methods


So what are you saying Christians gave Homosexuals an inferiority complex ? I don't think thats possible without their consent.


No, I'm saying that hte numerous laws on the books created by anti-gay Christians, plus the still-accepted beleif among even mainstream Christians that gay people are mentally ill or morally corrupt or just non-human has a lot to do with why so many people remain in the closet about hteir sexuality. It's not an inferiority complex, it's legitimate fear of persecution.


what do you mean "WE" who is WE? The gestapo has not been near my house as far as I know.


"We" refers to the United States. There are States in this country that constitutionally forbid non-theists from holding public office.

Arkansas Constitution, Article 19 Section 1

"No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the civil departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any court."


Maryland bill of rights, Article 36:

"That as it is the duty of every man to worship God in such manner as he thinks most acceptable to Him, all persons are equally entitled to protection in their religious liberty; wherefore, no person ought by any law to be molested in his person or estate, on account of his religious persuasion, or profession, or for his religious practice, unless, under the color of religion, he shall disturb the good order, peace or safety of the State, or shall infringe the laws of morality, or injure others in their natural, civil or religious rights; nor ought any person to be compelled to frequent, or maintain, or contribute, unless on contract, to maintain, any place of worship, or any ministry; nor shall any person, otherwise competent, be deemed incompetent as a witness, or juror, on account of his religious belief; provided, he believes in the existence of God, and that under His dispensation such person will be held morally accountable for his acts, and be rewarded or punished therefore either in this world or in the world to come."

And Article 37:

"That no religious test ought ever to be required as a qualification for any office of profit or trust in this State, other than a declaration of belief in the existence of God; nor shall the Legislature prescribe any other oath of office than the oath prescribed by this Constitution."


North Carolina's Constitution, Article 6 Sec. 8:

"Disqualifications of office. The following persons shall be disqualified for office: First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God...."


Pennsylvania a Declaration of Rights: Article 1, Section 4:

"No person who acknowledges the being of a God and a future state of rewards and punishments shall, on account of his religious sentiments, be disqualified to hold any office or place of trust or profit under this Commonwealth."


South Carolina's Constitution, Article 4 Section 2:

"Person denying existence of Supreme Being not to hold office. No person who denies the existence of the Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution."


Massachusetts, Tennessee, and Texas all have similar articles.


I don't know WHO is knocking on your door. I got me a 160lb Rotwieler and he seems to keep EVERYONE away from mine. Perhaps you could use a friend like a Dog in that way.


Well, pit bulls are deceptively useless as guard dogs



Yep and you came to attack it just as I have said. I don't bother with threads I have no belief in. Im genuine like that.


Welcome to the world of open debate threads. Keep it to U2U if you want nothing but agreement.



I am not the one accepting her apology am I .


- Con

[edit on 15-2-2008 by Conspiriology]

Nor am I. Just saying.



posted on Feb, 15 2008 @ 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

You're right, and have every post within all 26 pages of this htread to back you up


It's true. I don't call myself Christian, but if I did, I would know that I am not a 'good' Christian. I judge people, and quite often.

Likewise, I have read and somewhat subscribe to many philosophies and 'religions' including Buddhism where I would not be considered devout, for the reasons that I sin and I judge.

I consider it a moral obligation for people to admit that they are judgemental, if they are in fact judging a persons belief.

The only true altruist was Buddha himself, Christ himself etc. these are iconic figures because they were outside the paradigm of 'I judge you for this and that'.

I think squabbling about religion, whether you are atheist or are religious yourself, is petty. Stop judging.



posted on Feb, 15 2008 @ 09:27 PM
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Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
all have similar articles.



Ill take a look into that fox, I agree that seems a monumental disregard for separation of church and state. As for my attitude being bad,, yeah but only a little ha ha


Well, pit bulls are deceptively useless as guard dogs



Yeah you got pits? You might like this I write for ultramedia on pits in this web
ultramedia.freehostia.com...

- Con



posted on Feb, 16 2008 @ 05:22 AM
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Originally posted by NewWorldOver
Simply calling yourself a buddhist does little to re-iterate true Buddhist precepts.


well...obviously.



One of the main precepts of buddhism is to deny the ego. This involves denying judgement.


eh, it contradicts another precept of buddhism...
that whole "does it jive with your own reason" thing, denying ego doesn't.



To judge others for their 'superstitious' beliefs is not Buddhist. To judge other peoples belief, in any capacity, is not Buddhist.


i'm not judging people for their beliefs...
but to judge their beliefs may not be buddhist, but buddhism doesn't preclude it



To evaluate ones OWN understanding of reality is Buddhist.


partially...tis a bit more complicated than that, but this isn't a 'what does it mean to be a buddhist?' thread



Buddhism has nothing to do with giggling at the Bible


i'm sorry, but my understanding of the bible shows me that it's often a quite ridiculous book worthy of being giggled at.



or calling yourself an atheist.


my understanding of reality is that it works perfectly fine without the supernatural...
so it actually does have something to do with buddhism



These are things that have nothing to do with Buddhism.


you're really demonstrating a misunderstanding of what it means to be a buddhist.



So I have to ask, why bring up the fact that you consider yourself a Buddhist? Does this validate your opinions? Is this relevant to the discussion of atheism vs. christianity?


...clearly you haven't been paying attention. the question was asked if buddhists are in on the conspiracy
i pointed out that many buddhists are atheistic and many atheists are buddhistic
it was a random aside that i happen to be a buddhistic atheist



posted on Feb, 16 2008 @ 03:21 PM
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Not really a conspiracy to bring down Christianity but HERE is a funny little article I ran across just now. It is about atheists who keep joining raptureready.com as supposed Christians. I'm a member of the forum and have seen a few fakers exposed. Kind of funny. What would such people who engage in these kind of activities be called? Shills? Is that the correct word? Honest question- I don't know the correct net-speak.



posted on Feb, 16 2008 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by NewWorldOver

Simply calling yourself a buddhist does little to re-iterate true Buddhist precepts.

One of the main precepts of buddhism is to deny the ego. This involves denying judgement.

To judge others for their 'superstitious' beliefs is not Buddhist. To judge other peoples belief, in any capacity, is not Buddhist.

To evaluate ones OWN understanding of reality is Buddhist. Buddhism has nothing to do with giggling at the Bible or calling yourself an atheist. These are things that have nothing to do with Buddhism.

So I have to ask, why bring up the fact that you consider yourself a Buddhist? Does this validate your opinions? Is this relevant to the discussion of atheism vs. christianity?

The truth is, Christianity professes the same Buddhist principle of non-judgement.

Hypocrisy is fun though.


Even though i agree with many points on the negativity of Religion, Buddhism for me represents something... odd.

I might be making judgement here, but Even though Buddhism makes various points on Egoism, it still remains an ism.

As an example; one may find it nessecary to avoid judgement on the very thing that you follow - in this case, the very belief you hold, Buddhism.

It makes it humourous to note that there are those who have a judgement of Buddhism, and follow it because of that judgement.

Unfortunately, this makes Buddhism almost as hypocritical as everything else, when put into the larger scale of Religious beliefs - at least, that would be my judgement.

I guess that what i'm trying to say is that it doesn't entirely matter depending on what Religion it is that you believe in, instead that what matters is how that person chooses to believe it.

Obviously, Choosing to believe in a Religion because it brings power in the form of social respect is a major cause of the manifest hypocrisy that reside within our churches, mosques, cathedrals, Monastaries and even Temples.

Such people give Religion a bad name, simply put.

The reverse is true with Atheism.

Atheism, just like Buddhism - is an ism!, Yay!

People can follow Atheism in any way they like!

Any religion or even Ism, simply put - is vulnerable to the same Criticism as this, purely because of the fact that there are people out there who treat Religion as if it were some sort of socio-territorial advantage over everyone else, and take advantage of their ability to do so.

The problem may be in the way we as a society treat Religion, and part of this may lie in the way we select our leaders.

It would be interesting to see whether or not this sort of argument could ever occur in a political arena - surely, this would indeed be progress.

Although of course progress doesn't have to be neat.


[edit on 16-2-2008 by Throbber]



posted on Feb, 17 2008 @ 05:46 AM
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Atheist, Buddist, Hindi, Catholics, Muslim's.............all will see the lake of fire unless they repent of their pagan ways.

Atheist do have an agenda to kill anything Christian, why else deny GOD. If they didn't really believe he exists, why try so hard to expell is wisdom from life everywhere?

Atheist is just a fancy name for PAGAN.



posted on Feb, 17 2008 @ 06:39 AM
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Originally posted by heliosprime
Atheist, Buddist, Hindi, Catholics, Muslim's.............all will see the lake of fire unless they repent of their pagan ways.


how ignorant...paganism =/= atheism
atheism is actually the exact opposite of paganism, especially since paganism tends to be polytheistic (though it can often be gaia-centric deistic)

buddhists? what have they ever done to you...or anybody else for that matter?
i've never heard of anyone dying or killing in the name of buddha.
catholics? i always find it so funny when christians try to tell each other who is a real christian...




Atheist do have an agenda to kill anything Christian, why else deny GOD.


we deny gods
plural
we deny them all, no deity is denied more than any other.



If they didn't really believe he exists, why try so hard to expell is wisdom from life everywhere?


what wisdom?



Atheist is just a fancy name for PAGAN.


you're being quite bigoted and ignorant here.



posted on Feb, 17 2008 @ 08:45 AM
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This thread has really illustrated how ignorant people are.. not just about atheism but non christian belief systems in general.

Buddhism.. is a philosophy.. and no it having "ism" on the end does not somehow make it a theism. The basic princibles are too gain wisdom through life [and/or lifetimes] and to not cause suffering through action or innaction. God is not a relevent factor.. yes this makes it atheistic however these princibles would make it most unethical to try impose beliefs on other people as depriving someone else's liberty could also lead to suffering. After many lifetimes of learning and wising up you eventually become a buddha.. [of course it's always the journey that matters not the destination etc]. thats the basic gist of it anyway.


[edit on 17-2-2008 by riley]



posted on Feb, 17 2008 @ 09:13 AM
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Whenever you take heliosprime to task about his intolerance and bigotry he tries two tacks. The first is to try and turn the tables by insisting that it is you who is intolerant and bigoted for not tolerating his "beliefs", which is hardly true. Intolerance, hatred and bigotry is wrong in ALL religions, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, whatever. It is wrong period.

His second approach is to make much of the fact that Jesus was "intolerant" of the money changers, and that is a disingenious arguement at best. Afer all Jesus famously said "Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's." What, Jesus took exception to was the fact that the money changers were set up in the holy compound of the temple itself. Something totally different from being intolerant of the money changers themselves.

If anything the ones whom Jesus roundly condemned were the rich, the scantimonus, the self righteous and the arrogant. Remember Jesus preferred to sit down and break bread with the sinners, the prostitutes the tax collecters and the lowly of the world instead. A fact that Heliosprime's minister glosses over or choses to ignore I am sure.

Heliosprime has belief. I will not slight him that. However look up the word belief or to believe... essentially to believe something is to fervently wish for to desire deeply for something to be true. My grand daughter believes in Santa Claus. Belief as a result is very brittle and fragile. Consequently belief does not tolerate any ideas that seems to contradict it. Faith is another matter. And though used as if they are faith and belief are not, I repeat, are not synonomous.

Faith at its heart and soul is a very private and personal matter. It is not bothered or concerned with what others have faith or belief in, that is a matter between themselves and their maker. Consequently it is rare, extremely rare to find a person of deep faith as harshly critical of others and their religious expression, as Heliosprime is.

Based on that alone it suggests to me that he has yet to move beyond belief in organized doctrine and dogma into the far richer and more spiritual world of faith. A distinction that few generally understand or a passage even fewer take. It is far easier to hold fast to organized belief.

Religions are what the disciples turn the teachings of a master into once they realize how hard they are to live up to.

Someone else has said that religions are for those who are afraid of hell; spirituality is for those who've been there.

Jesus said... "In my father's house there are many mansions" and unless you interpert that as literally as some Muslims do the allegory of 72 virgins, it suggests to me that there are many pathes to God and if the are taken with an open heart and soul, no seeker, regardless of faith will ever be turned away.


[edit on 17-2-2008 by grover]



posted on Feb, 17 2008 @ 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

you're really demonstrating a misunderstanding of what it means to be a buddhist.

...clearly you haven't been paying attention.


Sorry bud but I don't have the energy to deal with your constant side-stepping and avoidance.

I explained clearly what it means to be a buddhist and you half-heartedly agreed to and side-stepped each point I made.

You seem to have difficulty accepting ownership of your posts and the things you say. I recommend being more honest with yourself and other people. If you're going to call yourself a Buddhist and then claim that the Christian Bible is laughable etc.

Taoism is as much a joke to some people as Christianity. But you don't see Taoists attacking Christians for a reason... it is against their precepts. Buddhism as well.

I find it arrogant to side-step the doctrine of your own professed philosophy in order to carry on criticizing others.



posted on Feb, 17 2008 @ 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by riley
This thread has really illustrated how ignorant people are.. not just about atheism but non christian belief systems in general.

Buddhism.. is a philosophy..


Please, stop.

There are far too many kiddies running around calling themselves Buddhists when they fail to follow a single doctrine.

Yes, Buddhism is a 'philosophy' as are almost ALL religions. 'Theism' or not, it IS a religion, it is a spiritual doctrine.

Please stop parading eastern religions as the antithesis to Christianity etc. It's very cute how many atheists want to call themselves Buddhists, but it's become tiresome to witness.

No real Buddhist would waste a moment of his life criticizing other religions etc.

But there aren't many real Buddhists, obviously. It's becoming an easy out for spiritually lazy individuals.



posted on Feb, 17 2008 @ 09:36 PM
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I'd rather risk eternal torment than spent five minutes with people as "righteous" as you, much less an eternity. You really don't seem to think far ahead of your mouth.

[edit on 17-2-2008 by TheWalkingFox]



posted on Feb, 17 2008 @ 09:52 PM
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HeliosPrime, friend.....please. Your post makes it sound like you're going off the deep end.

Peace. Rest in your faith and let others come to the Creator in their own time.

If you will go back to scripture you'll remember that the Spirit (the Pneuma of God) must be the one to act on a person/people.

Your behavior is less that charitable and it makes me sad.


Peace?



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