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"making religious certitude look stupid will be exploited, and we'll start laughing at people who believe...We'll laugh at them in a way that will be synonymous with excluding them from our halls of power."
"some propositions are so dangerous that it may even be ethical to kill people for believing them."
“Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural…we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.” (Harvard University Professor of zoology and biology - Richard Lewontin):
"According to a recent Newsweek poll, only 37% of Americans would vote for an otherwise qualified atheist for president." Yet, what is his response? Elsewhere, he looks forward to a time when "making religious certitude look stupid will be exploited, and we'll start laughing at people who believe…We'll laugh at them in a way that will be synonymous with excluding them from our halls of power" (emphasis added).[iii] Actually, Mr. Harris must be thrilled at the progress that atheists are making since a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll conducted in March 2007 has 48% answering "Yes" 48% answering "No" and 4% answering "Don't know/other." Apparently, religious people should not keep atheists from our halls of power but atheists should keep religious people from our halls of power—two wrongs... www.squidoo.com...
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by sizzle
it's alright, we're all human on this board...well, unless bigfoot is posting in the Crypto section without us knowing it.
apology accepted.
Originally posted by AshleyD
Yes! I finally had it last night in another thread. lol No matter what the thread is about, we cannot engage in a discussion without someone throwing in the same arguments over and over again. Eventually a mod is going to think I'm a spammer or auto-responder bot.
It's impossible to have an intelligent mature discussion about something like the rapture, Bible codes, Christian persecution in the world, or something of that sort only to hear the same ignorant objections: Jesus never existed! Watch Zeitgeist! Jesus is taken from the stories of Krishna, Horus, and Mithras! The Bible is unreliable! The canon was arbitrarily chosen by men! I would love, love, love to discuss something without having to prove my beliefs before being allowed to discuss them. Now I can simply refer them to my signature and actually *gasp* discuss the threads topics without the repetitive argument interference.
Originally posted by dave420
Science is not hypocritical. Religion is.
Originally posted by Conspiriology
Ashely, that is a great idea and I think I am going to make one myself only add something else to it I have been working on for the past few months. I have also got rather bored with correcting the same dogmatism atheists bring to the table while they whine about theists for being "right" all the time yet they don't see themselves becoming as ignorant, as guilty of the same things they accuse religion of.their worldview of a planet without religion where some have expressed eliminating us because of our belief or renouncing our religion or else.
Forcing a closet Christian so to speak.
It is like I had said to you before when I tell of Madds tunnel vision using the same arguments over and over. I don't buy the embellished bull that Christians are forcing all there "code" from ther creed down there throats because it simply doesn't happen that way. I mean they have knocked at my door maybe a handful of times and if I shut the door,, GUESS WHAT HAPPENS,, THE GO AWAY!
Madd has proven he does'nt shut the door, he SEEKS THEM OUT on his own volition his own determined motivation to assault them with the same verbal attacks the same sarcastic "challenges to their worldview" and THATS what he is about and THAT is why this thread sizzler has apologised for as if she has been beaten into submission by an overzealous boorish biobabbling bunch who don't know when to quit are the true definition of "pushing any ideology down ones throats"
If they had their way, Religion would be illegal and when they GET their way, history has shown time and time again that is just what happens.
Then regimes take place that serve the state while they commit crimes of mass murder they love to blame religion for but they claim no blame for they are not doing it in the name of anything as if doing it in the name of anything has anything to do with who they are as a group.
It's WHAT they are as a people that is the point.
To be more specific,,
they are Godless.
pity
- Con
Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
You know if you're going to (once again) accuse all atheists of being genocidal maniacs, you could at least learn to do it with grammar.
"According to a recent Newsweek poll, only 37% of Americans would vote for an otherwise qualified atheist for president." Yet, what is his response? Elsewhere, he looks forward to a time when "making religious certitude look stupid will be exploited, and we'll start laughing at people who believe…We'll laugh at them in a way that will be synonymous with excluding them from our halls of power" (emphasis added).[iii] Actually, Mr. Harris must be thrilled at the progress that atheists are making since a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll conducted in March 2007 has 48% answering "Yes" 48% answering "No" and 4% answering "Don't know/other." Apparently, religious people should not keep atheists from our halls of power but atheists should keep religious people from our halls of power—two wrongs... www.squidoo.com...
Well, to be fair, I feel pity for you and your bankruptcy of gods, as well.
Originally posted by sizzle
I formally apologize for having opened this thread topic and theproverbial can of worms that came with it.
Although to some degree, it has been very educational for me. Thanks to one member who accused Christians of having their heads buried in the sand and being readers and believers of only one book; I began a course of study that has led me into some of the most enlightening information of my life. This would include The Sumerian Texts, The Apocrypha and even some side studies into what various other religions believe and why. I, for one do not ever want to be considered ignorant or 'stuck-in-the-mud.
I even began to study evolution more thoroughly, the theory of Relativity, The Big Bang, etc.
I have been a busy girl. And it is all thanks to you guys, so this thread has not been a total loss for me. I have come away, far more educated. Has this thread made me want to scream and pull my hair out? Yes!
But I would also like to thank Madness and Riley for pointing out to me that there are more than one group of Atheists. I was ignorant of this fact. In the future I will strive to have my facts more in order before wildly posting, as I can see how it can be frustrating to those who do understand the other-side-of-the-coin.
My apologies if I have offended anyone. That was not my intention. At times when some of you thought I was trying to be offensive, it was actually my dry humor. Not everyone understands it, so I will try to keep that in check.
I hope to remain a long term member here and a mature one. So, I think this would be a good time for me to bow out of this thread.
I feel that AshleyD has done a wonderful job of giving mature and informative answers, and if she would like, I would be happy for her to continue doing so.
Originally posted by sizzle
I formally apologize for having opened this thread topic and theproverbial can of worms that came with it.
Originally posted by idle_rocker
Now that I know...I think I'll do something about it...Deny ignorance. And while I'm at it...I think I'll ignore it a little too.
IR
Originally posted by Conspiriology
"According to a recent Newsweek poll, only 37% of Americans would vote for an otherwise qualified atheist for president." Yet, what is his response? Elsewhere, he looks forward to a time when "making religious certitude look stupid will be exploited, and we'll start laughing at people who believe…We'll laugh at them in a way that will be synonymous with excluding them from our halls of power" (emphasis added).[iii] Actually, Mr. Harris must be thrilled at the progress that atheists are making since a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll conducted in March 2007 has 48% answering "Yes" 48% answering "No" and 4% answering "Don't know/other." Apparently, religious people should not keep atheists from our halls of power but atheists should keep religious people from our halls of power—two wrongs... www.squidoo.com...
Pretty much shoots Madds assertion there are only 2000 or so atheists all to hell doesn't it.
My grammar? what is that fox,, " if all else fails attack grammar?" desperate isn't something I would have thought coming from you.
You feel? ha ha that's a good one, one should'nt flatter themself so. The only thing Atheists like you feel is self aggrandizement
By the way getting tired of me doesn't seem to stop you or mad from jumping into fray does it.