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Is There A Conspiracy Of Atheists To Overthrow Christianity?

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posted on Feb, 12 2008 @ 12:15 PM
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Hi ashleyD
I see that you have inserted an encyclopedia
in your signature. LOL!

Thank you for your continued input here.




posted on Feb, 12 2008 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by sizzle
Hi ashleyD
I see that you have inserted an encyclopedia
in your signature. LOL!

Thank you for your continued input here.


Yes! I finally had it last night in another thread. lol No matter what the thread is about, we cannot engage in a discussion without someone throwing in the same arguments over and over again. Eventually a mod is going to think I'm a spammer or auto-responder bot.

It's impossible to have an intelligent mature discussion about something like the rapture, Bible codes, Christian persecution in the world, or something of that sort only to hear the same ignorant objections: Jesus never existed! Watch Zeitgeist! Jesus is taken from the stories of Krishna, Horus, and Mithras! The Bible is unreliable! The canon was arbitrarily chosen by men! I would love, love, love to discuss something without having to prove my beliefs before being allowed to discuss them. Now I can simply refer them to my signature and actually *gasp* discuss the threads topics without the repetitive argument interference.



posted on Feb, 12 2008 @ 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by Conspiriology
Perhaps it is because they know what you are about and they finally get it.


that i'm about a pursuit of truth through scientific principles?



The fact is, Madd, if God himself appeared before you, you are so dead set against the idea, that you would check yourself into a hospital and say someone drugged you.


...not really. if aforementioned deity appeared before me in some particularly trippy form, like a giant rainbow-colored frog... maybe, but if it was just a thing where said being proved its existence, i wouldn't.



You simply have no intention of being corrected about any part of the Bible you say is a flaw or contradiction, you have no intention of listening with the idea of learning anything because that isn't what you are about.


well, if you actually can correct me without using circular reasoning or some such nonsense, i'll listen. i'm quite the open-minded person.
it's odd that you're saying that i won't do things when you've never really been able to put me in those situations.



You are about being an antagonist to Christians on these boards which is made patent with every post you make in every thread where Christians congregate.


...and oftentimes when it's pure theology i just say something within the context of christian theology to shed how i'd view a particular issue if i were a christian... i'm quite polite when people have threads that are explicitly not for my viewpoints, like prayer threads, i avoid them.



You believe in nothing so we have nothing to gain from listening to you and you already have heard what you got to say so I know you don't want to listen to that either.


you have nothing to gain from listening to those that believe in nothing?
that's outright anti-atheist bigotry.
i guess you'll have to ignore the works of most of the noble prize winning scientists as well...

and the thing is, i do want to listen, but i want to listen to logic, reason, and evidence.



What we have to say about what we believe is only another post regardless of it's accuracy, or its historical credibility you will dissect it,


well, of course i'll dissect it, because you can't actually prove it's accuracy or historical credibility.



ad hom it,


you cannot "ad hom" beliefs. an ad hom is an attack against a person.
if you can show me where i've ad hom'd, i'll apologize, but i doubt you'll find a place.



mock it


i don't "mock"
the places where i've been accused of "mocking" are when people just can't take simple criticism



and say we can't handle when someone challenges our "worldview" when if I did that you would say I was pushing my religion on you.


try logically dissecting my unbelief, i'll allow it.



I have seen you use the same tired lines that every other atheist gets off the many "How to argue with a Christian" website


there's a "how to argue with a christian" website?



most of which are as asinine about the things they THINK the Bible is contradicting itself


the bible IS contradicting itself in places...
like the last words of jesus
or the death of judas
there are OUTRIGHT contradictions, and i've yet to see a proper defense
against those accusations.



about as Evolution is for thinking it hasn't had a HISTORY of Pro Atheist's like yourself who have made their science about as objective as a closed casket is for viewing who is inside.


ok...i just have to say that the sentence structure breaks down here, so i'm not sure what you're trying to say about evolution, but it's objective science that's supported by people who aren't atheists as well as atheists.



Perhaps it is that when ever they click on any member of this forum who happens to be a Christian, they find YOUR name in the list of foe's they have, whether you have ever responded to them or not, you seem to see all of us that way I take it. I personally don't have the time to look through this forum for every known atheist just to add them to that category just because they are Atheist.


...see ducky or JJ, they're both on my friends list and both are devout christians. it's not the person's religious view that's the issue, it's the person.



I think she just did and you just used the name of that group in the question. They are called Atheists.


...we aren't a cohesive group. we don't even have a holiday to celebrate together...



I have also sent most of the Christians on this forum the suggestion that since Atheists like you are going to continue lumping all religions together in broad generalizations then we should not concern ourselves with the thought of other "types" of atheists.


um...we don't...
we make quite the distinction between the well-read, evolution accepting christian and the raving lunatic flat-earther and most steps in between. when we talk about religion as a whole, we talk about things like the concept of faith or eternal reward/punishment systems.



If anyone is going to give atheism a bad name it will be those atheists that antagonize people of faith in God.


examples of us antagonizing people?

and what about the christians who ostracize atheists from communities or don't consider them to be fellow countrymen?



We have heard you say too many times that you are of a single position so that doesnt leave a lot of room for other types. Even if it did, why should we believe you when you won't us about anything.


i meant that atheists aren't a group, we don't communicate, we don't have atheist meetings or holidays, there's no cohesive structure.



When someone tells you they believe in a GOD you do not, then it is clear that you think we believe in something WE KNOW ISN'T TRUE. So in effect you are calling us a liar or something else it really doesnt matter because the last thing you are going to agree is that we just may be right.


no, you're being overly sensitive, we're not calling you liars, we may be calling you a bit deluded, but not liars. we don't think you consciously know that your belief is untrue...

and i've actually admitted that christianity might be right...i just don't see any evidence that it is.



Here you go again with the Teflon double standards. They don't amount to a big number depending on the argument I see. Yet your High Priest Richard Dawkins says that Atheists number around 20 million or as much as the average non denominational Christian Religious sect.


ok, that's how many atheists there are, but that's not a group. that's like saying there are 20 million people in the USA that love cheese, but the cheese lover group only has 20,000 people in it.

see the difference?



He has plenty of Video's at Google and Youtube you can update your information from. I really don't care whether you believe or not because,, again,, I know what you are about.


no, you know what your narrow-minded stereotype of me is about. you clearly lack the capacity to distinguish between people that share a common belief and an organized group when it doesn't seem to fit into your view of the world




Sorry,, the FBI recently reconstructed the Thomas Jefferson document that reveals he had no intention of putting the separation of church and state to mean the kind of extreme removal of GOD from our form of Government.


FBI?

seriously, if anyone was going to reconstruct a historical document from that period, it'd be the smithsonian. this sounds more than a bit fishy, pony up the evidence



I have heard Atheist say Jefferson was an Atheist and that too was a reconstructed document in addition to other letters in his own hand that was discovered where it is quite clear he was a Christian.


actually, he was a deist. he made a version of the bible completely devoid of theology, containing only moral and practical matters in it.

and thomas jefferson isn't the guy who wrote the first amendment...so his opinion on the matter is kind of...well...um...pointless. it's a simple argument from authority. he wrote the main articles of the constitution, but the amendments aren't his.



I posted a link to the original documents, they are very old and hard to read but not it is legible.


where?



Again I posted them in a response to this very issue and you continue to go along with your agenda.


i have no agenda that a rationally minded person of any religious persuasion would have a problem with. my agenda is to prevent any religion from imposing upon other religions of lacks of religion.



You resist God no matter what.


i don't resist any particular deity, i resist them all equally.
i could just as easily say you resist thor or cthulu no matter what.



You believe Evolution is fact supported by evidence regardless of the compelling arguments made to people like Dawkins that to this day he just dances around using words that if you were me,, you would say can only be believed by a HUGE leap of faith.


well, that would obviously mean that you're ignorant to the facts and need to get over to O&C to get your arguments whipped, as that's not really the topic of this thread.



It is so dogmatic a science that the very needs for open minded objectives are blocked by its very determined disbelief in the super natural. The Science serves the agenda for Atheists as a tool for conversion to the Atheist blind faith.


all science has no belief in the supernatural...
that's the point of science, it studies the NATURAL.
now, if ye can prove the supernatural scientifically, you'll create a new field of science.

out of room, next post for the rest.



posted on Feb, 12 2008 @ 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by Conspiriology
I know you don't think you have blind faith but like you have done with us,,where we are told essentially that we believe in things that don't exist,


we just tell you that there's no objective evidence that they exist and thus there's no reason to believe they exist. it's quite impossible to outright say they don't exist...but the same goes for the invisible pink unicorn or the celestial teapot.



we know they do and when we tell you that as a witness to the spiritual changes that manifest from our faith in believing, you continue to argue with us. So if you are going to argue with us about things you consider are ignorant about atheism, we may as well be about the things you are wrong about with us.


you
can't
prove
anything
that's the whole point. we want proof. you cannot provide proof. that's why we win the logical argument.




I have taken the time to import your entire post database and will be offering it as a time saver for other Christians so that they have something more to consider when deciding if you are worth the time to respond to.


honestly, that's more than a bit creepy...
and if they don't want to discuss, it's their fault for being closed minded. i have an open mind, but it's not so open that my brain falls out.



I can't tell you how many times they have had the same arguments with you as I have where you continue to tell us we abuse our children, slandering every Christian Parent,


it's not really slander, slander is spoken...but it's also not defamation, as it is legitimately abusive to send a child into a "hell house"
and not every christian parent brings their kid up as a christian, some let the kids wait before teaching them about religion.



you continue to say Hitler was a Christian who loved Jesus as if you knew him yourself,


i don't need to know hitler to discern that he loved jesus, just look up some quotes by him and that's really all you'll need. the guy saw the death of jesus as the biggest crime the jews had ever committed, and thus a justification for killing them all...



You continue to mock the lord in apples and orange type of comparisons where you insist they are the same comparison using your own criteria while ignoring the fact that all of us don't believe in a living Santa Clause.


i don't normally use santa clause, i actually tend more towards ancient religions that are no longer practiced, i even tend to provide this handy LIST of over 4500 supernatural beings.
but here's a news flash: people actually used to believe in the guy santa is modeled after..not saint nick, the bearded guy riding a sleigh, odin. people used to believe in odin



By the way madd I used to believe in Santa Clause when I was about 3-4 years old. By the time I was FIVE that so called abuse that my parents indoctrinated me with I had figured out for myself and think most kids are unscathed by the *Block Buster* news that Santa is a myth.

I have never even considered of using it against my parents and it would be absolutely laughed out of court if anyone did.


did your parents ever saying anything about eternal torment for not believing in santa?
...yeah, didn't think so

...and where was the on-topic segment of your post?


seriously, where's the evidence that there is an organization of atheists actively seeking to destroy christianity?

edit to add: how about we just rename this thread to what it really is, "Here's a thread where we can antagonize atheists and say that we're merely trying to find a conspiracy, which we really aren't because it isn't an accusation and is so open ended that it's now become about anything but the original topic and attempts to discuss the original topic are now ignored"

ok, a bit of a mouthful...

[edit on 2/12/08 by madnessinmysoul]



posted on Feb, 12 2008 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by Conspiriology
Yeah it was this year that they discovered we are genetically related to all things and that you can rearrange DNA to become anything. Check PBS for the next time it is on television.


Someone on the Evidence For Creationism thread showed me a video explaining how humans have DNA similar to bananas. Although the video admitted it could be evidence of an intelligent designer, the narrator claimed it was more likely evidence of evolution. I disagree with both of the narrator's theories because this is actually undeniable proof of the existence of...









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posted on Feb, 12 2008 @ 09:05 PM
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I contributed to this thread!


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posted on Feb, 12 2008 @ 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
edit to add: how about we just rename this thread to what it really is, "Here's a thread where we can antagonize atheists and say that we're merely trying to find a conspiracy, which we really aren't because it isn't an accusation and is so open ended that it's now become about anything but the original topic and attempts to discuss the original topic are now ignored"

ok, a bit of a mouthful...

I'll make yet an attempt madness.. am altering one of my previous posts as it's far easier repeating myself that way. I realise it's on topic though and doesn't bash evolution so it will probably get ignored but nothing ventured...


Does this conspiracy just includes the secular atheists [evilutionists lol] or buddhists, confuscians and wickens as well? What about taoists? Jedis? Raelians? Are scientologists atheists too [at least I don't think they believe in god] ..and do they hate christianity? I'd like to know what atheist group specifically is trying to overthrow christianity.


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posted on Feb, 13 2008 @ 02:34 AM
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Riley,
I have really missed you,
So I decided to take you off my ignore list and answer your questions.
But first, I would like to bring to everyone's attention how the quality of your posts sure have changed recently. I mean by leaps and bounds. Quite an improvement. I would almost think I was talking to someone on Melatonin's level. Almost.
Since you brought up the turn-around on the warn sticker that you got, would you mind telling everyone who encouraged you to speak to the mods and see if maybe there had been an error?
it almost seemed that we could be civil to one another.
Now, to answer your question, if there is a conspiracy of atheists to overthrow Christianity; since atheists seem to not aspire to different sects and dogmas; then I would have to say....all of them.Okay?

Now that I have answered that for you, Riley; I really hope that you will be able to move on with your life. Because that is exactly what I am going to do. IMHO, you can only beat a dead horse so long. There are at least a kazillion interesting topics on this board and this one is beginning to bore me silly.
So, I am going to take my departure and I hope that you all find the answers that you are all looking for.

[edit on 13-2-2008 by sizzle]



posted on Feb, 13 2008 @ 03:30 AM
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Originally posted by sizzle
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Riley,
I have really missed you,
So I decided to take you off my ignore list and answer your questions.

why thats very mature of you..

But first, I would like to bring to everyone's attention how the quality of your posts sure have changed recently. I mean by leaps and bounds. Quite an improvement. I would almost think I was talking to someone on Melatonin's level. Almost.

Are you kidding? You are still attacking my charactor without real reason.. that whole paragraph is just spiteful [and you also used it to attack someone else..].


Since you brought up the turn-around on the warn sticker that you got, would you mind telling everyone who encouraged you to speak to the mods and see if maybe there had been an error?

Thats actually very inaccurate.
I had already contacted them when you wrote to me.
I mentioned it to you after you wrote to me regarding something else.. to try claim that you are somehow responsible for having a warning overturned is kind of.. well pathetic. It also implies that you have some sort of sway with admin and that I should kiss your feet for it or something.

You did not do me any favours.

And I would appreciate it if you would STOP getting personal. I have asked you many times before. I've been trying to stick to talking about what you've said in your posts.. now you're going as far as to try 'out' me by devulging whats transpired via personal U2Us.. trying to somehow shame me for not giving you credit and putting me in the position where I have to publicly clarify whats really happened. Not very ethical.. in fact it's very antagonistic. My warning was public and so now is the fact that it got overturned.. I only mentioned it in passing yet you have now taken it upon yourself to make it a focal point when it's not even your place to, I resent having to explain it all.. AND its offtopic!



it almost seemed that we could be civil to one another.
Now, to answer your question, if there is a conspiracy of atheists to overthrow Christianity; since atheists seem to not aspire to different sects and dogmas; then I would have to say....all of them.Okay?

So the dalai lama is trying to overthrow it too? I didn't know he was such a biggot. Care to prove it? buddhism preaches acceptance of other religions and have a non interference ethic.. judging or overthrowing them would be against their princibles.. as it is with some other atheist belief systems.

So that alone proves you wrong.. we'll take it one at a time:
Do you concede buddhist organisations are not conspiring against christianity..? They are a type of atheist.

Oh I get it.. everyone who doesn't follow your religion is conspiring against it? Sounds alot like the the excuse given for the genocide of pagans ['witches'].
Finally you've said what you really mean. It's only taken 24 pages.. now try prove it all.

..and I ask you YET AGAIN to NOT get personal and to stick to the subject. I am getting a little tired of answering personal digs as it means I have to go offtopic as well.. in essence you are putting others in a the position where they have to go against ATS guidelines which is not fair. It's a conspiracy forum.. it's not for chit chat and I really don't want to see you bringing up things that aren't your business. If the mods decide it's appropriate to discuss further the specifics of reprimands on your thread about conspiring atheists they will.

edited for grammar

[edit on 13-2-2008 by riley]



posted on Feb, 13 2008 @ 04:00 AM
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I think you're going to continue hearing the arguments regardless of how many "click this" you post...you've done all you can by finding every "faith" supported belief system source possible, and yet it persists. It persists because of several reasons, one being the "subjective" nature of past beliefs and religions...also because the arguments put forward in that picture are so compelling and completely vivid in their presentation...it does what it sets out to do... and you can post from here till when Betsy the milk cow finally finds her way home and kicks over the milk pale, and still that movie will persist. It does so because it makes so much sense in the face of a lot of mucky non sense and obvious history of mis translations and utter corruption by the founding fathers who built the foundation of what is today's modern Christian faith. As we have all said repeatedly, you as everyone, is free to believe whatever you want to believe, but you simply just can't go around quoting one another over the same "suspect" writings and expect the rest of us to take those in the "faith" seriously. Are you trying to convince the Atheist that you're the one who has the truth, or are you trying to convince yourselves?

Ultimately does it really matter anyway? We have a pretty messed up world, with serious environmental damage, a bulging and nearly unsustainable population, wars going on all over the serface, a handfull of nations that together have more than 20,000 nuclear bombs (each one hundreds of times more powerful than the ones the United States dropped on the cities in Japan) all ready to be shot off at a moment's notice...and we have two groups of people here: Group 1 (religious/faithful/belief holders whatever you want to call them...believe in a higher power that will some day intervene and save us all) and Group 2 (people who are either atheist, or don't care, but who have studied and learned the sciences and are looking for humans to solve our problems.). Group 1 has bee hoping now for quite a while, and to no avail. Group 2 has made some remarkable movement forward especially in the past several centuries, but there is a long way to go, and as I already mentioned we now have these huge weaponry systems that threaten to destroy us in a moments' notice....I would like to believe in #1, but he evidently is passed out drunk cold, left a long time ago and is never coming back, or is dead or never existed in the first place. Yes, it would really be nice but, we only have so many table chips left, and we had better wise up before we loose the farm and begin to take responsibility for our selfs and future. We are going to need the help of everyone world wide to do this, and so we simply must move beyond the divisive and violent nature that comes with religion / belief systems that serve only the purpose of indoctrinating the masses for reasons of power and and control (politics).

Can we afford another 1,000 years of relying on #1 for our salvation...how about 100 years? Is there any definitive evidence beyond the myth itself that #1 will save us? Yeah we know it's written, but so far nobody has seen the goods. On the other hand #2 has brought us modern medicine, pure water, the jet engine, the Eisenhower freeway system, Tang, computers, modern agriculture and on and on...yes it's also brought us the bomb, but then it has also brought us refined philosophy, ethics, decision science, negotiating abilities, diplomatic measures that have been tested, and...on and on. We better be smart with where we place our chips, because the marble is spinning and about to drop. Do we sit on our ass, quote bible verses and wait for Jesus, or get to work and start solving our own problems?

Finally the only conspiracy I see here, is one that has and does seek knowingly or not, to hold back progress. Need it even be said who the perps are?



posted on Feb, 13 2008 @ 04:50 AM
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Riley.
Whatever you say.
Argue with yourself from here on. Ta-ta



posted on Feb, 13 2008 @ 05:24 AM
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Originally posted by sizzle
reply to post by riley
 


Riley.
Whatever you say.
Argue with yourself from here on. Ta-ta




2f.) Private Messages: You will not use the private messaging system (U2U) to send mass messages to multiple member accounts. All private messages are subject to these terms and conditions, violations will result in immediate account termination. You also agree that "U2Us" (Private Messages) are confidential. You will not post or publically display U2Us received from ATS staff or other members, in any way, without the written permission of the author.

Off topic [again] I never consented to having you openly discuss U2Us on the boards sizzle. It's meant to be confidential.

I think thats reason enough for you to re-read the T&C.. being constantly off topic [for 24 pages] is also discouraged [as well as political baiting which is what the OP was for]. Instead of being sarcastic.. you could have used the opportunity I just gave you to back up why you think atheist buddhists and other groups [on the list I gave you] are part of this so-called conspiracy.. instead everyone who has tried to debate your original claim has been dismissed, deflected or been accused of various things. The only evidence you've even tried to present wasn't even on topic and was creationalist propoganda.. I give you credit for trying but the thread is meant to against atheists.. not evolution.

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posted on Feb, 13 2008 @ 06:12 AM
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Originally posted by sizzle
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why thats very mature of you..

But first, I would like to bring to everyone's attention how the quality of your posts sure have changed recently. I mean by leaps and bounds. Quite an improvement. I would almost think I was talking to someone on Melatonin's level. Almost.

Are you kidding? You are still attacking my charactor without real reason.. that whole paragraph is just spiteful [and you also used it to attack someone else..].


Since you brought up the turn-around on the warn sticker that you got, would you mind telling everyone who encouraged you to speak to the mods and see if maybe there had been an error?

Thats actually very inaccurate.
I had already contacted them when you wrote to me.
I mentioned it to you as you had already written to me regarding something else and so I mentioned it.. to try claim that you are somehow responsible for having a warning overturned is kind of.. well pathetic. It also implies that you have some sort of sway with admin and that I should kiss your feet for it or something.

You did not do me any favours.

And I would appreciate it if you would STOP getting personal. I have asked you many times before. I've been trying to stick to talking about what you've said in your posts.. now you're going as far as to try 'out' me by devulging whats transpired via personal U2Us.. trying to somehow shame me for not giving you credit and putting me in the position where I have to publicly clarify whats really happened. Not very ethical.. in fact it's very antagonistic. My warning was public and so now is the fact that it got overturned.. I only mentioned it in passing yet you have now taken it upon yourself to make it a focal point when it's not even your place to, I resent having to explain it all.. AND its offtopic!



it almost seemed that we could be civil to one another.
Now, to answer your question, if there is a conspiracy of atheists to overthrow Christianity; since atheists seem to not aspire to different sects and dogmas; then I would have to say....all of them.Okay?

So the dalai lama is trying to overthrow it too? I didn't know he was such a biggot. Care to prove it? buddhism preaches acceptance of other religions and have a non interference ethic.. judging or overthrowing them would be against their princibles.. as it is with some other atheist belief systems.



[edit on 13-2-2008 by riley]

I want you to see something here Riley. You were to first to bring up that we had a conversation in U2U. I merely asked, "Who advised you to ask the moderators if it was a mistake?" I could be yelling foul at you for divulging personal info from a U2U. I could have went a step further with what your original intentions were, but I do have a little class. And was trying to maintain decorum. And still am.
And what I said about Melatonin was definitely not an insult, and I bet that he doesn't see it as one either.
So, drop it. I would like for this to be my last visit back to this thread. So, if you are through now, I would like to shake the dust from my feet and move on.



posted on Feb, 13 2008 @ 06:21 AM
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Btw Riley, if you want the evolution topic dropped so badly, then drop it. I haven't brought it up in ages. Okay?

[edit on 13-2-2008 by sizzle]

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posted on Feb, 13 2008 @ 06:39 AM
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Since you brought up the turn-around on the warn sticker that you got, would you mind telling everyone who encouraged you to speak to the mods and see if maybe there had been an error?


Asking me to "tell everyone" shows that we didn't discuss it publicly because you then asked me to.. the only other place is via U2U so you've already admitted it.

..and yes you were being derogatory to both myself and melatonin.. there was no misunderstanding it.

..and [of course] you've ignored yet another opportunity to discuss the topic.


Are buddhists in on it or not?

[edit on 13-2-2008 by riley]



posted on Feb, 13 2008 @ 01:13 PM
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for the 3rd time, could someone please point me too the group of atheists that may or may not be perpetuating a conspiracy to overthrow atheists?

i'm being ridiculously on topic, hitting the target that is the topic with the arrow that is my post right in the center.

when you're dealing with a conspiracy, you need a GROUP of conspirators.



posted on Feb, 13 2008 @ 01:54 PM
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Riley, Here is the answer to you and to Madness and all the other antagonists of this thread. This is what happened when I opened the thread (it was a horrible accident)..................................................................................................





My tongue got wrapped around my eye teeth and I couldn't see what I was saying!




Edit: Much as I hate to; I probably am going to have to put you back on ignore. Because I feel that your relentless pursuit is to try to ensnare me to say or do something that will get me warned or banned. I could be wrong, but I think there is someone in the wings, coaxing you on how to do this effectively. My remark about Melatonin was actually a compliment, and I think you know that.


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posted on Feb, 13 2008 @ 02:17 PM
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Here are some links that make it appear atheists are trying to push forth some legislation for more secularization of society and they typically target the Christian belief system:

www.atheists.org...
www.atheists.com...
www.atheistalliance.org...
www.atheistsforhumanrights.org...

Now, I'm not going to say whether their actions are "right" or "wrong" because there are certainly activists in every belief group including Christianity. It is also obvious that not every single atheist alive is trying to change the system just like not every person alive in a certain belief group is trying to push their agenda.

Now, let's not get carried away and say "Atheists are [insert a derogatory remark here]" just because they have some organized groups. But after scanning some of the above websites, does anyone feel atheists are trying to "overthrow" Christianity and religion itself, so to speak, by trying to create a more secularized world? The discussion isn't about their right to do so because obviously they have the right to gather in societies and change politics just like everyone else.

But does it seem they are trying to take religion "out" and replace it with secular ideals? Yes, anyone can see that is what is happening. Again, we don't have to throw in our opinion of whether or not it is right or wrong but it certainly seems this is the case.



posted on Feb, 13 2008 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
for the 3rd time, could someone please point me too the group of atheists that may or may not be perpetuating a conspiracy to overthrow atheists?

i'm being ridiculously on topic, hitting the target that is the topic with the arrow that is my post right in the center.

when you're dealing with a conspiracy, you need a GROUP of conspirators.

Madness,
Have you been keeping up with this thread? or do you just need repetition?
Are atheists a group or not? My answer was.....Atheists. ALL Atheists. Did you get it that time? I did not say Buddhists, Dahli Lhama, or anything else. I said.....Atheists. Is that clear enough? Atheist. Atheist. Atheist. Atheist.

[edit on 13-2-2008 by sizzle]



posted on Feb, 13 2008 @ 04:03 PM
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...you clearly also misunderstand what an atheist is
and atheist is anyone who doesn't profess a belief in the supernatural...
i'm a buddhist as well, by the way. it totally works, as the belief in the supernatural doesn't really jive with my reason.

see, you're thinking that an atheist can't be a buddhist...or a buddhist can't be an atheist

and if you're saying ALL atheists, then the answer is no. some atheists don't even want anything to do with other atheists, some atheists are completely apathetic, other atheists care more about dealing with their local issues. a good example is india, where scam artists pretend to be holy men, atheists are protecting the good people who would otherwise throw away what little they have to support these frauds.
some atheists are more concerned with islam

the thing is, i've been keeping up, you're the one that hasn't been following. atheists aren't a whole, we have no unitary goals through not professing a belief in the supernatural.

christians, muslims, etc have a set of ideas, atheists have 1 idea
understand?
there's no way you can make a real group out of 1 idea.

 

and ashley, i know of those groups, but none of them is seeking anything that would infringe on the right to practice religion...



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