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Is There A Conspiracy Of Atheists To Overthrow Christianity?

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posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 04:44 PM
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posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 05:35 PM
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Look at this from about .com they call these Atheist myths but every website I see the same myths. They ain't myths. what it is is Atheisms refusal to see the truth and admit they too fit the shoe. It's called denialism Chritsians read how biased this is then ill be back with some undocumented secrets of a Atheism org with some very draconian ideas for our Religion and those who refuse to give it up


Oppressive Male Gods Encourage Domestic Abuse
I've written before that common Christian depictions of God have a lot of similarities to the classic symptoms of an abusive spouse - so many similarities, in fact, that it's not unreasonable to regard the Christian God as an abusive spouse himself

When Christians say that they have faith in God, what do they mean? Do they know what they mean? Do they even meaning anything at all? Perhaps not - their statement can only be regarded as sensible and reasonable if they can distinguish having faith in God from having faith in Mumbo Jumbo, but how many are able to manage this?

God as Cause: Why God Cannot Explain the Universe
It is popular among theists to think not only that their god caused the universe to exist, but in fact that the existence of their god is necessary to explain and understand the existence of the universe. This belief may seem intuitively sound and strong, but the truth is that sorts of gods which theists believe in simply cannot explain the universe.




Now in this next one, he pulls a "Melatonin and just assumes the reader or the Christian is without common sense. That if he follows one law that means there is a concern you would follow any of them, then plants the seed of doubt about our ability to handle it. Taking it from the original moral conduct all the freakin way to "What if he told you to kill someone?



Would You Kill My Kids? Questioning Orders from God
Many Christians, Jews, and Muslims believe that their religion and their god is the only valid source of morality. Why? Because they believe that their god is the author of morality and whatever their god tells them is, necessarily, moral - disobedience, in contrast, is by definition sinful and immoral. But what if their god commands them to kill?

Theists Misunderstanding Science: Unexplained vs. Unexplainable
Many theistic arguments in defense of the existence of a god involve arguing that certain events that haven't been fully explained by naturalistic science are unexplainable in principle by naturalistic science. Thus, the only "explanation" available is the supernatural, establishing a justification for believing in a god.

The next one I liked because that is the exact same problem we have with

Unsupported Premise in the Kalam Cosmological Argument
Dr. William Lane Craig's 'Kalam Cosmological Argument' is one of the more sophisticated and (in some circles) popular arguments for the existence of God. Unfortunately, like so many other theistic arguments, it suffers from a fatal flaw that the author prefers to gloss over instead of address directly.

Six Reasons to Believe in God
There are a lot of works of Christian apologetics available - some of it decent, some of it awful. Unfortunately, a significant amount of apologetics falls firmly in the "awful" camp, apparently written by people who really don't understand philosophy, logic, or science. Even worse, few Christians seem to be able to distinguish between the two types.

Is God Good or Evil Defending the Depravity of God
Many Christians and other religious theists like to point to marvelous aspects of life or nature in order to 'prove' that God is perfectly good. After all, isn't everything in life wonderful? Well, actually, it's not - there are lots of awful things about life which might arguably point to the existence of a perfectly evil god.



I'd just like to mention, who it was that pointed out the "perfectly evil God"

Evil, being in the eye of the beholder,,

wouldn't you know it,, the beholder,,

Is an Atheist.

The sad part is,, they believe they are happy

Typical fault finding mission of the typical atheist and there typical
mundane life they have to blame on Christianity. Just ask Madd who he blamed when Majormalfunction was banned .

Yeah it was a Christian conspiracy. They have a whole thread on it.

That gives you motive doesn't it Madd? I mean you were pretty angry at us conniving faithers

Typical of them to insist there is one against them but we cant say it about us. HA HA You guys act more like fundies every day. The hipocrisy the double standards the drama the hype the hate speech,,, well they got religion beat on that.,, we at least try not to.

Keep practicing son

Pray to the ? of the ? for the ? against the ? until one day you realize that evolution and Atheism is all about ?

and a higher state of mind like an OT- 8 or 9 or like Lord Dawkins ?!

Then again if you ever want the REAL thing,,,



SNIP

- Con



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posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by Conspiriology
NOW YOU SEE WHY THEY WANTED INTELLIGENT DESIGN OUT OF THERE CHURCH WHICH IS THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM THAT STEALS YOUR KIDS SOULS TO THAT FILTHY PSEUDOSCIENCE THAT SEEMS TO BE THE HIGH PRIEST OF ATHEISM'S TOOL TO TWEAK THE IMPRESSIONABLE KIDS INTO BELIEVING THEY CAME FROM MAGILLA GORILLA!


Thou shalt not bear false witness, con. Every time you repeat this evolution = atheism lie, you make the phantom baby jesus cry.

It's one of your moral codes. Use it.



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posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 06:31 PM
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prove it atheist



posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by Conspiriology
prove it atheist


Prove what?

That the the phantom baby jesus cries when you lie? Maybe not, but it's your moral code...

I assume you don't mean the evolution =/= atheism part, as that's really easy to show:


We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth.

www.butler.edu...

The first time someone makes a claim in clear error, it's probably ignorance, if it is repeated after continuous correction, it becomes a clear case of dishonesty.

You see, I like christians like you. You damage your own faith, and that's great by me. We don't need to do anything, we just sit back and watch with a smirk. Augustine had a lot to say about this.


Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn.

www.pibburns.com...

He was a clever guy in some ways - very prescient.

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posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 08:16 PM
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I am going to ask the Moderators to close this thread to further discussion. I see that it has run it's course and no new info has come to light. I wish to thank all of you for contributing here, Take care of yourselves.



posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 08:42 PM
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We have decided not to close this thread. Once the thread has been established, it belongs to the membership. Discussion is what we are here for....not just reading material.

That said, I would like to remind everyone here that this thread needs to get back/remain on topic. We have noticed an underlying hostility that needs to stop now.

We will ding any further posts that fall out of the T&C's (i.e. one-liners, ill manners, large quotes, etc.)

And now...back to the originally planned on discussion.

Thank You.



posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by riley

Lets review my post again:

In fact I am very spiritual. I think atheists have said this a few times now but it keeps getting ignored. I do not believe in god/s.. this does not mean I am not spiritual. Unless you think buddhists are not spiritual..?
I believe every living thing on the planet is decended from a single cell. Technically that makes the birds.. even the plants my family so yes I feel a profound connection to all life which I hold a deep respect for. I just don't feel a need to worship it.


See where I say I feel connected to everything? ^


I see this got ignored yet again.. and someone has now said that atheists do not believe in souls.. also adding a pic of a heavily pregnant woman and saying we would only consider it a fetus and not a baby. What the hell does that have to do with the issue? oh I know.. it's a segway to the abortion topic.. an emotional hot button [like the holocaust] that gets pressed whenever you get desperate to demonise people. Subtle.


Atheists not believing in souls is another misconception.

Some atheists would believe in souls.. some atheists would not believe in souls. Belief or disbelief in souls is not what atheism is.

AGAIN:

Atheism is a disbelief in god or/and gods. It is not a disbelief or absence of spirtuality.

People can indeed be spiritual without believing in god/s.
People can believe in souls without believing in god/s.
People can believe in 'life after death' concepts without believing in god/s.


There are several philosphical and spiritual beliefs systems that do not include or require belief in god/s.

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posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 08:57 PM
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Riley,
Not being rude, but this thread isn't about what the Christian believes in or what the Atheist believes in, it is about whether there is a conspiracy to overthrow. Can we all get back on topic please. Thank you all.



posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by sizzle
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Riley,
Not being rude, but this thread isn't about what the Christian believes in or what the Atheist believes in, it is about whether there is a conspiracy to overthrow. Can we all get back on topic please. Thank you all.

Well in fact you are being rude [why even bother making that disclaimer when it was so blatent?] ..as we can't really discuss the issue if people are going to continually tell the actual atheists here what we do and don't believe.
Unless of course you just want to ignore the opinions of atheists?

Much of this 'atheists are conspiring' arguments [delusions] rely heavily on misconceptions about what motivates atheists. For the good of evolving the discussion..and in order to defend atheists [including myself] I just tried to dispell these misconceptions.. and you just dismissed it. nice.

Could you please treat my views with as much respect as those who keep attacking me and other atheists? thanks so much. I hope I have adequately explained how I am indeed on topic.. if not feel free to file a complaint.

EDIT. Another purpose to specifying that atheists can have varying spiritual beliefs is to show people that we do not all belong to one single political movement bent on 'overthrowing' christianity. Apparently there are a couple on this thread who still do not understand this.. but of course if they did they'd have to concede that not all atheists are out to get them.

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posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by sizzle
it is about whether there is a conspiracy to overthrow. Can we all get back on topic please. Thank you all.


OK, lets try and start over.

After the 18 pages so far, do you think there is a conspiracy by atheists to 'overthrow' christianity?

If so, what form does it take?

If not, what form would such a conspiracy take?

Because all I see are atheists writing a few books about atheism, having a few seminars - generally just talking about atheism and what they perceive to be the negative impact of religion on society. Of course, some christians don't really like it, they'd rather the godless heathens just be invisible. Is this the real issue?

As all that's happened is atheists have become more visible over the last couple of years.



posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by Clearskies
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Mathew 10: 28;
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."


You could have picked a better passage to display how loving your god is.

Instead you chose one telling the reader to fear god, because he will destroy you utterly in his personal torture dungeon.

This is the sort of filth Christians regard as "holy"?

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posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by melatonin

Originally posted by sizzle
it is about whether there is a conspiracy to overthrow. Can we all get back on topic please. Thank you all.


OK, lets try and start over.

After the 18 pages so far, do you think there is a conspiracy by atheists to 'overthrow' christianity?

So Melatonin.. do you think this conspiracy just includes the secular atheists [evilutionists lol] or buddhists, confuscians and wickens as well? What about taoists? Jedis? Raelians? Are scientologists atheists too [at least I don't think they believe in god] ..and do they hate christianity? I'd like to know what atheist group specifically is trying to overthrow christianity as I don't think they have my phone number and I'm feeling kind of left out..

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posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 09:37 PM
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I felt that I was more than fair to ask both sides to get back on topic. I even ask if the moderators would consider closing this thread because things were getting so heated. I don't wish to see ANYbody banned over these arguments. I just felt it was time for everyone to calm down and take a breather. BOTH sides. Please don't take things so personally. Have a good evening.



posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 09:38 PM
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Originally posted by sizzle


The links to Atheist websites that have been introduced in these topic threads, are frightening. They seem to be trying to incite some type of action against believers of Christianity. Is this really necessary? [/quote]

As opposed to witnessesing, disemboweling non-believers, and genocide?

No, it's not necessary. But it's fun.



posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 09:45 PM
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That is really ugly. Congratulations. Do you feel better about yourself? I don't know of any Christians doing that and neither do you. You have a good night too.



posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 09:55 PM
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Well, on-topic... What the heck do you mean, "overthrow Christianity"? Is Christianity an empire? Can someone kill the pope, take his miter, and become the one in charge? It's an odd prospect.

Frankly Christians are far, far FAR better at mangling Christians (literally and figuratively) and damaging their own positions than any atheist loo-loo could ever hope to be



posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by sizzle
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I felt that I was more than fair to ask both sides to get back on topic.

I was on topic.. I was even nice enough to explain it in great detail. I'm great like that..

I even ask if the moderators would consider closing this thread because things were getting so heated.

I haven't gotten over heated.. I only cracked it after you started "telling" me how to post.. even though you didn't even seem to be able to grasp how my points were relevent. You just dismissed them despite them being very relevent to the topic and then claimed you weren't being rude.

I don't wish to see ANYbody banned over these arguments. I just felt it was time for everyone to calm down and take a breather.

I haven't recieved any warnings and don't think I've broken any rules.. thus far I have stuck to the topic. I hope I have now adequately explained why atheist beliefs are important to the subject at hand.

BOTH sides. Please don't take things so personally. Have a good evening.

I promise not to take things personally when you stop getting personal.. ok?
A good start would not to start grading my posts as being 'offtopic' as though my posts need to be qualified by someone.. I'm half expecting you to start handing out gold stars next.

If I'm off topic I'm sure the mods will let me know. thanks anyway.

On topic:
Whoever is arguing that all atheists are conspiring needs to first prove that we are all part of one organisation. Does this organisation include the other athiest groups I mentioned earlier?:

secular atheists [evilutionists lol], humanists, buddhists, confuscians, wickens, taoists, Jedis, Raelians, scientologists. etc.

Who is alligned with who? Who is the master mind behind it all?

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posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 09:58 PM
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Actually I thought the wording was pretty clear. Would you like for me to get you a dictionary? I hear they have a FREE online one callled wikipedia.

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posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 05:53 AM
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Originally posted by riley
I'd like to know what atheist group specifically is trying to overthrow christianity as I don't think they have my phone number and I'm feeling kind of left out..


As I said, I think the issue is that we actually are visible. That's sufficient. If we shut up, then everything will be cool. A bit like children - seen but not heard, you know?

This is what I'm interested in though. How would atheists 'overthrow' chistianity. Appears to be quite a challenge. Firstly, I doubt many atheists would want to use force - a bit like the old-style christians with the british pagans, you know running around destroying their sacred places, burning documents etc.

So that's out. What's left?

Here's my manifesto for 'overthrowing' christianity...

We educate children properly in schools, we provide them with lessons for comparative religion and related philosophy, critical thinking, and all the other subjects we know and love. Then we let them think for themselves.

Anyone have issues with that? Is that a bad thing? I understand that the last part will be the biggest hurdle, heh.

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