Huckabee: Amend Constitution to be in 'God's standards' , page 5
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reply posted on 16-1-2008 @ 03:56 PM by DCP
reply to post by xmotex


Your missing my point....Someone said that homosexuality did not play a part in Sodom and Gomorrah , and all i am saying if you are a man talking about raping a man, that is gay. I would say that the crowd would not be doing something they didn't like.

Do you think the crowd was going "we should stone them, yeah that will teach them." Someone else was like, "we could hit them with these big clubs, that will teach them." Then someone from out of the blue said, "you know if i stick my penis in their butt..." It just shows that some of the crowd practiced homosexuality and it was tolerated, and everyone can take it from their where they want to go with it.


reply posted on 16-1-2008 @ 03:57 PM by pavlovsdog
Originally posted by DCP
reply to post by weedwhacker



Look at the actions over words, i mean, take this founding principle of the American government...all men are created equal. so how were there slaves??


getting ot but:

non anglo people were not considered human.


reply posted on 16-1-2008 @ 04:05 PM by DCP
reply to post by pavlovsdog



wow...i wouldn't say that about the founding fathers, but you helped me to proved my point to weedwacker...just because the Constitution does not name Christianity as the "official" religion of America it is the official religion of America



reply posted on 16-1-2008 @ 04:12 PM by pavlovsdog
Originally posted by DCP
reply to post by pavlovsdog



wow...i wouldn't say that about the founding fathers, but you helped me to proved my point to weedwacker...just because the Constitution does not name Christianity as the "official" religion of America it is the official religion of America


I guess I'm missing something here - help me out

'wouldnt say what about the founding fathers'?


reply posted on 16-1-2008 @ 04:17 PM by memoir
Originally posted by DCP
reply to post by memoir


There is right and wrong.

gay issue is hot these days so is teachers having sex with their students. My understanding was that Marry was a young girl(early teens) and Joesph was older(late teens), or in other words Joseph would have been locked up for statutory and many other crimes in today world. I don't think Hukabee wants teachers having sex with their kids, but i see what you are getting at, but everyone's opinions are not right.

that women carring that unwanted child more then likely took part in an act to consume that child. If she knows she doesn't want a child don't do the act to make the child, or at least use protection. I guess that is one of god's law but i always thought it was common sense.


There is right and wrong, but there are lines drawn between the two that are not as bold as in other circumstances. What if said to-be welfare recipient did use protection. There is no contraceptive that is 100% full proof. "Oops" happens all the time. What if she was raped? What if the fetus doesn't develop right and it will be born with a condition that leaves it with only enough brain activity to realize how much pain it is constantly in and that it will never be able to live an even half full (or half empty) life? What if she met somebody, and then by the birds and the bees, became pregnant - then learned that they were twins separated at birth (it almost happened; www.sltrib.com...)? What if by having the child, the doctors say she will die and the child may or may not survive?

Changes things, doesn't it. If not, it should.

In the end, you're absolutely right "everyone's opinions are not right" - which is why I don't need Chuckabee who's imaginary friend says that mine is wrong taking office. The reason being, a great deal of rights and wrongs are contextual. There are also rights and wrongs that are defined by imaginary friends and since the majority might not have the same imaginary friend, it cannot be made law.


reply posted on 16-1-2008 @ 04:19 PM by DCP
reply to post by johnsky


i do see your point, but you are talking a difference of believing in God and using belief in God as an excuse to do something. God can be used as a tool. whether that tool is used for good or evil depends on the person wielding the tool.

i will bet on the one person with nukes over a bunch of people without nukes any day of the week


reply posted on 16-1-2008 @ 04:27 PM by DCP
reply to post by memoir


I don't believe i ever said what my opinion of gay marriage or abortion is, but i like your argument either way

but, most of America does have the same "imaginary" friend as Huckabee. It is just that that"imaginary" friend tells different groups different things

This has been fun but now its off to the bar



reply posted on 16-1-2008 @ 04:30 PM by memoir
Originally posted by DCP
reply to post by memoir


I don't believe i ever said what my opinion of gay marriage or abortion is, but i like your argument either way

but, most of America does have the same "imaginary" friend as Huckabee. It is just that that"imaginary" friend tells different groups different things

This has been fun but now its off to the bar


It has been fun indeed. Funny, I'm off to the same place. God or no god, I think we've discovered what brings all Americans together; beer.


reply posted on 16-1-2008 @ 04:34 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by memoir


memoir,

Have a Sam Adams for me!!!

What's more American than that? (and don't say 'Bud')...


reply posted on 16-1-2008 @ 04:45 PM by xmotex
reply to post by DCP


Our modern ideas about "gay" and "straight" didn't even exist them.
And most men that rape other males are not men that consider themselves "gay" even today.

What is clearly offensive to God in the passage is that his angels are sent to visit Lot dressed as travelers, and that the locals are so mean-spirited towards strangers and outsiders that they threaten to attack and rape them, not realizing they are the instruments of God.

The Bible is not at all vague about the reason why Sodom and Gomorrah are destroyed, it is quite clear, as I pointed out. And is has nothing to do with some modern notion of what's "gay"...


reply posted on 18-1-2008 @ 01:02 AM by C0le
reply to post by Maya432




I don't see a problem with church and state, as they should never be an issue, its church and law thats the problem.

If congress wants to have a prayer every session so be it, so long as its not LAW

The Constitution says Congress shall pas NO laws respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise of it..

meaning NO laws, For it or against it, none what so ever.

Meaning if a local community privately funds a monument on public property of the 10 commandments, even if a minority doesn't like it, NO law can be passed which bans it...

Nor can a law be passed to put it there....

Now if how the majority of that community decides it doesn't want it there they have a right to vote it out, as private citizens.

The Government is to have no role whatsoever in any religion the only role it has is to protect the peoples rights to practice whatever faith they chose without interference.


Changing our very simple system of law which essentially protects ones rights to Do, Say, Own, and believe whatever they want so long as they don't hurt anyone or violate another persons rights to do the same...

To fit ones religious ideology is WRONG as those are personal beliefs which have nothing to do with the protection of rights and doing so also violates our fundamental and birth right to Life, Liberty, And the pursuit of happiness.


I personally don't believe in many peoples personal practices but those are my personal beliefs, Who am I to force my personal beliefs on someone else through law?

just because I believe something doesn't make me right, and if they aren't hurting anyone, who cares what they do with their body on there property?

Who cares what they believe, who cares what I believe, If everyone would simply mind their own business things would be so much simpler...




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