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Huckabee: Amend Constitution to be in 'God's standards'

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posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 06:36 AM
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My mother, I'm sorry to say, is kicking around voting for that kook Huckleberry. Maybe this highly absurd statement will change her mind. If it doesn't, I might have to give her Alzheimer's or something.




posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 08:24 AM
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Originally posted by Anatomic Bomb
My mother, I'm sorry to say, is kicking around voting for that kook Huckleberry. Maybe this highly absurd statement will change her mind. If it doesn't, I might have to give her Alzheimer's or something.


Is your mother a Christian? Is she going to church? Odds are that her church is using the pulpit to tell it's sheep that this is good and desirable.

They are also surely reinforcing the ideas that we are a 'Christian nation' and that our Constitution was based on the 10 Commandments.


DCP

posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 12:04 PM
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IMHO this post shows two things

1) Huckabee is not a conservative
2) There is an anti christian group out there (or here on ATS)

The president cannot change the constitution but IF Huckabee won and COULD change the Constitution, what part of the bible don't you like...the work hard part or the be nice to other part?

Wanting to change the constitution to more fit the bible shows why Huckabee is really the christian left and not the christian right. The bible values of helping the poor and taking care of the sick is what good "christian" people should do. If Huckabee thinks that the government should do what the people should do then he has a liberal view of the world. If the government takes care of the homeless(because Huckabee says it the christian way) instead of the community taking care of the homeless i would argue that breaks the separation of church and state.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 12:19 PM
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I don't know about everyone else, but when I think about voting for a president, I liken it to selecting a candidate to be the CEO of my company.

First and foremost, I expect the President to be a competent manager and businessman. After all, our nation is the biggest business in the world, isn't it?

Why...........why would anybody hire a "country preacher" to manage their Fortune 500 business? Of be their chief diplomat? I want a shrewd business man, a ruthless captain of industry to steer my national ship.

Huckabee seems like an honest and likeable guy. By after reading some of his comments and investigating his opinions, well, I would probably only ever be comfortable with him managing my national "corner store"......



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 12:26 PM
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No offense, but how absurd. Have you read the bible?

What part don't I like? Oh, sure - turn the other cheek, love thy neighbor -- that's all grand... But what about these other things the bible insists upon, I'll dig up verses and chapters if you like:


- If your son misbehaves, he's to be stoned to death

- If you discover you wife lost her virginity before your marriage, kill her.

- If you have an affair, both you and your counterpart must be stoned to death.

- If you make love your wife while she's having her period, both you and your wife are to be killed.


I could go on and aon

I understand we need not worry about many of these - but how about rewriting the constitution to state, matter of factly, that marriage can only exist between a woman and a man. Or, as the bible states, divorce is strictly prohibited...


Hitchens said it best, I believe:



Article VI of the U.S. Constitution actually and very carefully and deliberately say:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

As so often, the framers and founding fathers meant what they said, said what they meant, and risked no waste of words. A candidate for election, or an applicant for a post in the bureaucracy, could not be disqualified on the grounds of his personal faith in any god (or his disbelief in any god, for that matter). This stipulation was designed to put an end to the hideous practice of European monarchies—and the pre-existing practice of various American colonies—whereby if a man did not affirm the trinity, or deny the pope, or abjure Judaism (depending on the jurisdiction), he could be forbidden to hold office or even to run for it. Along with the establishment clause of the First Amendment, and the predecessor-language of the Virginia Statute on Religious Freedom, it forms part of the chief glory of the first-ever constitution that guaranteed religious liberty, religious pluralism, and the freedom to be left alone by priests and rabbis and mullahs and other characters.

However, what Article VI does not do, and was never intended to do, is deny me the right to say, as loudly as I may choose, that I will on no account vote for a smirking hick like Mike Huckabee, who is an unusually stupid primate but who does not have the elementary intelligence to recognize the fact that this is what he is. My right to say and believe that is already guaranteed to me by the First Amendment. And the right of Huckabee to win the election and fill the White House with morons like himself is unaffected by my expression of an opinion.


taken from www.slate.com...



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 12:29 PM
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SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!

If Romney or Huckabee is elected, I will have officially lost hope. LEAVE "GOD" out of our government.

The only time I'll mention god is when I say "God I hate huckabee & romney"


A Christian nation is going to be full of criticism, nonacceptance, hate, anger, greed, corruption, and everything else that will lead to our demise. Diversity is necessary- Christianity needs to stop trying to be so forceful and impulsive. Christians have no more power than any other religion.

If huckabee changes the religion to "GODS STANDARDS"- That means its changed by him for "GODS STANDARDS" making the whole thing obselete because now it has become HUCKABEE's Standards....WHAT A LUDACRIS IDEA...sadly the stupid ignorant people in this country will eat that up as they stand on street corners with Huckabee signs...I'll be right there on the corner blaring my music and yelling out "RON PAUL '08!!!" as I drive wrecklessly infront of them.


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posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by pavlovsdog

Is your mother a Christian? Is she going to church? Odds are that her church is using the pulpit to tell it's sheep that this is good and desirable.

They are also surely reinforcing the ideas that we are a 'Christian nation' and that our Constitution was based on the 10 Commandments.

This will floor you. She's an atheist.

I've decided it's the ax for her.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 12:54 PM
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Thanks for putting out this thread, AllSeeingI.

I saw this last night, and tried to start the very same thread...just don't know how yet. Hearing those words from Huckabee (one of the two remaining Republican contenders who says he doesn't 'believe' in evolution) sent shivers down my spine.

Thanks again, let's hope this comment gets spread far and wide. Yeah, some of the 'mentalists' will think it's a good idea, but people of reasonable IQs will see how dangerous he is...



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 12:59 PM
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I will have to say that this man is crazy. I lived in Arkansas for 18 years of my life, and the last few years were that of when he was the governor of the state.

Now, I will say he is very big on giving illegal immigrants citizen status, and did a lot in not deporting said immigrants in the state. This man is not good for our country, it is the simple truth.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 01:00 PM
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It doesn't matter what Huckleberry wants or thinks is correct. While i vehemently disagree with his statement and am repulsed by his casual approach to the constitution, I am not at all worried.

The fact is that to amend the constitution, the amendment has to get 2/3rds support from all houses of congress.

Thank god there's a failsafe built in to compensate for the event that a nutter gets into power.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by Thousand
So basically, what you're trying to say without saying it is: "The constitution was based on the bible, but it's been relaxed over the years to make sin more 'accessible' by making acceptable 'lifestyles' and 'choices' that were not originally allowed, and now it's become 'mans' law instead of 'gods' law."

Do you even have a clue as to how completely wrong you are?

he's not wrong in my opinion

not all the relaxation is coming from federal amendments. Most
of it is coming from State Legislatures.

Acts from the Feds:
"Don't ask, don't tell policy"
relaxes Biblical homosexuality

Acts from States:
Allowing same sex marriages
relaxes Biblical homosexuality

Acts from States:
Allowing partner benefits for non-traditional couples
relaxes Biblical homosexuality

this is just one topic (sin) homosexuality

Now let's move on to something away from the Bible

Act of Feds:
right to assemble in public

Act of State & local Law:
don't have right to assemble without a permit
relaxes right to assemble

Now let's move on to Gun Control

Act of Feds:
right to bear arms

Act of States & Feds
can't buy one without a permit
relaxes right to bear arms

etc..... I could go on and on. But this is just an example
of how man has changed the laws over time to suit them
including straying away from Biblical principles or law.
The constitution may have given us lots of rights, but the
Feds amendments and the State & Local laws take them
away. So what good are they if the state supersedes
federal law? And then the Supreme Court dismisses cases
that deal with us losing those rights. So we're f****d.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 01:09 PM
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Let's see, what would a Huckabee cabinet look like?

Maybe Pat Robertson as Secretary of the Treasury since he has more money than God anyway and knows how to gather the sheaves into the barn better than anyone..

Then maybe John Hagee for Sec. of Defense..by God HE could get the Armageddon going if anyone can!! Nuking a few Muslim nations before breakfast is just the kind of news he would love to give to his beloved Zionists as an Inauguration Day special!!

Perhaps Kenneth Copeland and Oral Roberts could be the new Faith Based Church and College czars, overseing the total transformation of the public schools into " Claim it and name it ' recruiting centers for the newly faithful to find their fortunes.

Creflo Dollar could head the new " Uplifting Humanity Coalition ' which would give poor kids rides in his Rolls Royce's so they too could ' get the vision ' of prosperity from on high.

Benny Hinn could be the new White House Physician..I mean, who needs an MD when all old Benny has to do is lay hands on old Huck and all his cares will fall away like shingles off of a newly healed leper..hallelujah!!

Of course the 60 million Catholics and some 20 million Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses and such would need to be brought into the fold, so the entire pond and fountain area in front of the capitol would be turned into a giant Batismal font; volunteers would lead the newly discovered heathens to the water and make sure that they either see the light, of find out what waterboarding is all about!! If they get a taste of what God and his soldiers have in store for those who oppose His will, they might be more willing to accept the ' truth '.

Jimmy Swaggart and a few defrocked priests and an assortment of Republican congressmen caught in rest room follies could go on a nationwide tour sponsored by the government, to warn those who would stray from the straight ( sex ) and narrow ( minded ) what the consequences would be: An ounce of prevention!!

All Diplomatic postings would be decided by the Southern Baptist Convention to make sure that no one speaking for America shows any weakness towards those sinners overseas and all their liberal nonsense, like human rights and making discrimination illegal..why, after a few years, we could make them all just like us!!

Then Huckabee would sign an Executive Order, for our own goods of course, that mandates that we all tithe!! Just think, if we all gave 10% of all we make to the church of HIS choice, what wonders the Lord could do!! Just think of all the people that could be reached around the world with the message. Ands what exactly is the message?

" People get ready..theres a train a ' comin...don't need no ticket, just get on board" When the train enters a FEMA camp, your worries are over!! Just think, if you work really hard, you can be made free!! Now no tears and all that..itys for your own good..you just wouldn't listen..President Huckabee knows what is best for you, cause he and Jesus are on a first name basis!!!



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 01:10 PM
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I think in today's controversies, dating from the 1961 Supreme Court school prayer decision, religious folks tend to misunderstand the purpose of Jefferson's "Wall of Separation" between church and state.

First of all, that decision did not make it illegal for individual students to pray in school. That would be a violation of their First Amendment rights. I'm not going to say misinformed school administrators have not pushed it too far - I recall one story about a young lady who was suspended for making a religious statement during a school speech - this is IMHO an intolerable violation of her religious rights.


But, the actual decision was that schools cannot dictate an official class-led prayer.

Which brings me to my second point - the "Wall of Separation" exists specifically to protect the individual's right to worship in their own way, according to their own beliefs. It's not some kind of official statement of atheism. It's a legal tool to prevent the government from interfering with people's religious freedom.

To traditionalist conservatives around here, how would you feel if school prayer were re-instituted, and that prayer reflected beliefs that were directly in opposition to your own?

It would be a violation of your religious rights, wouldn't it?

And that's the problem with school-led prayer - it says "you don't have your own beliefs, here's a mandatory prayer that serves the interests of the State, and whoever happens to be running it now."

Not a situation I think most Christian conservatives would like, in practice.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 01:16 PM
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Simon, you seem a little too obsessed with homosexuality. You showed your colors, a little, with the "(sin)" comment. Trust me, there are bigger things to worry about than a person's sexual orientation -- but if you are so firm in whatever 'religion' you subscribe to (which is a choice, as you know) then feel free to keep believing what you want.

An America under the auspices of Mike Huckabee's 'bible' would be little different than what was responsible for the founding of this country in the first place...a desire to escape the oligarchy of a controlling church-based authority. We, The People, will not allow that to happen here.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by DCP
There is an anti christian group out there (or here on ATS)

I don't believe that one bit.
I am a christian and go to church.
But I don't take the constitution to church with me.
Nor do I take my bible to work.
So I do separate the two as intended.
If I combined them together as one,
I'd be no different than the Taliban
or Hezbollah or Islamic extremist
who blow themselves up just cuz
my preacher (imam) tells me to
cuz it's what God wants.

Huck is nothing more than Christian Extremism.
Kinda like putting Osama Bin Laden in the White House.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
Simon, you seem a little too obsessed with homosexuality. You showed your colors, a little, with the "(sin)" comment.

LOL
no I'm not obsessed with homosexuality. My response was aimed
at proving how man-made laws do contradict biblical laws. Which
I think I proved that as I intended. It just so happened that
homosexuality was the easiest topic I could find to prove my point.

While I surely DO NOT endorse Huckleberry for president, I think
he is extreme in his ideology. But I do firmly believe that
homosexuality is a sin because my bible tells me that which is why
God destroyed the entire city of Sodom and Gomorrah by turning
them all into salt. And now I see some states endorsing and
giving licenses to same sex couples just like Sodom and Gomorrah.
Then I see God doing the same thing over again like in the bible.
He will destroy them again even if this time it has the name
Massachusetts or New Hampshire or whatever. I'd rather speak
my mind about it now than wait til God destroys us again.

That's not being obsessed .... but an once of prevention
is worth a pound of cure in my opinion.

And yes I am against homosexuality AND I am against any
state in the US endorsing it ...... and so is my God.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 02:08 PM
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Huck can say whatever he wants. He is a politician. Ammending the Constitution is not a simple process. It was designed brilliantly in this regard.

Huck-A-Doodle ought to know better than to make these ill informed statements. I suggest he polish up on his singing so he can travel the country with his Jim Neighbor's impersonations.

Here's the process:


Article V of the Constitution provides two processes by which amendments can be proposed and approved

Congress proposes amendments.
As is the case with the flag burning amendment, both houses of Congress approve by two-thirds votes a resolution calling for the amendment. The resolution does not require the president's signature. To become effective, the proposed amendment must then be "ratified" or approved by the legislatures of three-fourths of the states. Congress typically places a time limit of seven years for ratification by the states.


The states propose amendments.
The legislatures of two-thirds of the states vote to call for a convention at which constitutional amendments can be proposed. Amendments proposed by the convention would again require ratification by the legislatures of three-fourths of the states.
All twenty-seven amendments, including the Bill of Rights have been added through the first method. The Constitution has never been amended using the second process.

While over 10,000 have been proposed, only seventeen amendments to the Constitution have been adopted since final ratification of the Bill of Rights in 1791

usgovinfo.about.com...

Becker



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 02:14 PM
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that statement sounds almost psychopathic. If he wins the election, and you guys can hold me to this, I'll renounce my citizenship.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 02:23 PM
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... And that's what we need to do -- to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view."

What exactly are God's standards and who's interpreting them?



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by C0le

Huckabee with these words is now an enemy to the Constitution.

Any American who votes for him is also.

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any American who tries to prevent other Americans from exercising their constitutional right is the REAL ENEMY to the constitution.

The constitution is there for the people, it is again not above the people but for the people.



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