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NBC Battles to Keep Kucinich Out of the Debate

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posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 07:41 PM
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I just called Kucinich's campaign center and he doesn't seem to be too thrilled with the outcome.

This is some #ed up #.

I'm not at all surprised unfortunately.

We live in the same country that has an electoral college that illegally chose Bush as President in 2000.

Sickening




posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 07:42 PM
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I think there point would be to give us the illusion we still have a decision to make as voters. "Your vote still counts, choose between are pre-selected pre-approved candidates"



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 07:49 PM
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we havent had a real choice in a long long time its just one more of the many freedoms we were so proud of that have gone the way of the dodo. between stunts like this, the aforementioned biased electoral college, and all the rampanat voter fraud im surprised people still go out of there way to vote. i know this election day im staying home and wasting my time in a more enjoyable way.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 07:50 PM
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Exactamundo. The worst part is that you still see followers of both parties getting into heated exchanges of which party is superior to the other, calling each other idiots, liberals, neocons, etc...And the reality is NEITHER of these parties has ANYTHING to do with trying to make our country a better place to live, nor do they give two s**ts about the average tax-paying american citizen who's struggling to feed their family.

It's completely an illusion of choice, but ALL of the candidates are hand-picked by special interests that they serve. Anyone not conforming to serving those interests doesn't stand a snowball's chance in he** of being nominated.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by biggie smalls

So what Kucinich asked for a recount? That's irrelevant in my book. He's a strong contender with a powerful message who deserves to be allowed in the debate.


Agreed. It's like they want to penalize him for DARING to expect a fair count...oh what a terrible thing for him to do? He has every right to expect it to be kept fair. And as Americans, shame on us if we are not demanding the same thing.



Its time for a revolution.


It is if this election turns out to be not on the up and up. Actually, considering the fact that the last two elections were Diebolded, the people should have already put a stop to it. Then, considering all the scandals and illegal doings of this administration which include the shredding of a good portion of the Constitution,...perhaps if the people haven't cared to make it right by now, then they are not ever going to. Maybe they like being caged up in free speech zones, having illegal wars started in their names, losing habeous corpus, having torture as a national policy, having the social safety net being destroyed, losing an entire city to Katrina, how many years ago, and things are not being fixed...well, the list really could go on and on.

Kucinich could possibly be our last chance to get this mess of a country back under control...and YES! The PTB are terrified of him. Good on him for insisting on his right to be in the debate.

We don't need no stinking corporations choosing our candidates for us...we can do that just fine, thank-you.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 08:13 PM
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An updated news clip from AP .


The debate lineup included Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and Barack Obama of Illinois as well as former Sen. John Edwards and - by a judge's order - Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich.


Wait, Kucinich is or is not allowed to debate? I'm confused. AP is saying he IS in the debate?

Nevermind, just a miss-wording of the sentence. He is not involved...Bull#.


MSNBC, with plans to televise the debate on cable television, had decided to exclude Kucinich after his poor performances in the Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire primary. Jeremy Gaines, a vice president for MSNBC, said the network would appeal the ruling.


Yeah, sure because of his 'poor performance.'

[edit on 1/15/2008 by biggie smalls]



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by krill
[i know this election day im staying home and wasting my time in a more enjoyable way.


I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of picking my candidate for me...go and write his name in if you have to. There are many who plan to do just this.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 08:22 PM
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as i said in my post there are numerous resons i wont be voting i voted in the last two elections and after weighing all the evidence. and doing the research have come to the infomed descision that im not giving my vote to any canidate at all this time. and if the system dosent improve i may never vote again. as i said and i stand by it if im goona waste my time it will be under my terms and for my own enjoyment.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by krill
if im goona waste my time it will be under my terms and for my own enjoyment.


What's the matter Krill? You don't get any enjoyment from this? Don't you know it's all just a big joke? It's a farce, a melodrama, nothing but a play and it's all made for our viewing pleasure. You can even join in, just pick a party, find someone who supports the opposing party and argue away till you're blue in the face. That's what this is really all about, it's all been chosen for us anyway. They already know who the next president is going to be, they've known for quite a while, this part is just for laughs. It's fun to throw some meat to the dogs and watch them fight over it.

What we should really do, instead of election reform, is allow people to place bets on their candidate of choice. If you think we see partisan bickering now just wait and see.

OK, in all seriousness, this whole story is friggin rediculous.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 09:01 PM
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What a load. I just don't get why there seem to be so few people speaking up. Even people involved with these companies should be pretty P-O'd about what course this election, which is 11 months away has already taken. It's just going to get worse in my opinion.

Off topic, if these Diebold machines are so easy to hack and manipulate, lets use that to our advantage and find some crazy hacker to count EVERY vote for Kunicich or Paul, or whoever just not any of the mainstream candidates. Sure it's illegal, but all is fair in love and politics. Wouldn't that show TPTB.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 09:01 PM
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you know shadow its so true its funny, i almost dropped my ciggy. your wonderful sense of humor gets you a star. who knows maybe one day ill get bored and "pick a party" just so i have a reason to argue but seeing as how all the great topics i want to discus get brought up here on ats i think ill spend my time researching and talking about things i enjoy.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 09:27 PM
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I could be a little off but this day could go down in history as a very dark day for our republic.

3 - supreme court rulings, all against the best interest of the people.

Certiorari - Stock Fraud Ruling - Kucinich Ruling

Combine that with the intentional advocating by some large Democrat backers to vote Republican (Romney) to mess with the Republican primaries. Why? Because the DNC decides that the Michigan DEM delegates will not count in their decision on who will represent the DEM party in the NOV election.

A little hint, the same scenario could (not sure on how the voting goes there, in MI it didn't matter what party you registered with , you could vote however you pleased) surface again in Florida where the DNC has handed down the same penalty to that state.

It has been a very bad day for the citizenry of the US when you add up all the events that have happened today.

I am at a loss for words, at least words that abide by the T&C.



ed:clarity on FLA possibility




[edit on 1/15/2008 by JacKatMtn]



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 09:31 PM
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I know exactly what you mean, I've also found that people on ATS are generally smarter and at least more polite than people in the "real world".

In regards to your last post though, I'm with you on not voting. I know people always expound the importance of voting and how every vote counts et cetera and I've always considered myself a true patriot but honestly I don't see the point anymore.

I've reached that point where I'm beyond convincing, there is nothing anyone can do to convince me that our electoral process is legitimate or even real anymore. They've already picked the president, or at the very least they've narrowed it down to no more than 3 people.

And here we all are, debating candidate's voting records, worrying about Diebold machines and recounts, waiting and watching and hoping we end up with the least malevolent leader. But why? None of it matters, nothing we say or do will really affect the outcome in the end.

Why vote? Why even follow it? If the government isn't going to concern themselves with us then why should we concern ourselves with the government???



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 09:45 PM
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Just for posterity, because I don't know how long this DEM site's call for votes for Romney will remain available, I have to quote this:


Mitt in Mich...holy cow did we have a hand in that?

I know about the whole Democrats for Mitt Romney thing that was going on. Hearing about the results...I'm wondering...did we have a hand in that? McCain's now number 2, which has dampered his big run from New Hampshire. Hrmm, tonight perhaps the folks at Romney HQ are wondering just how legit his win is....hehehe.


I am sure this will disappear in the near future...



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 09:50 PM
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This is a great thread and is indeed quite a sad indicator of things to come. I personally think this election will be one of the most corrupt and crooked any of us can remember and it will end with the winner continuing the same fascist dictatorial agenda we've had for the past two terms. Even sadder still is the fact that I'm completely out of ideas myself.

What can we do? On the one side we have an evil corporate run fascist government and on the other side we have the brainless sheep who, it seems, will never wake up to the reality of this world. People like us are stuck in the middle, cursing the evil government while trying to rally the sheep and apparently failing at both.

I dunno, all I can say is I'm not looking forward to being subject to the next presidential terms no matter who wins.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 10:05 PM
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I took a screenshot of some other Dems on the KOS site concerning their effort to skew the Republican primary.




Why is this type of deliberate intent to skew results not subject to election law?


My apologies for taking this off the OP, I just see much more happening than the SC decision to side with BIG Business against Kucinich today, it is much much more IMO.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 10:41 PM
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isn't the country run by international bankers where they create debt out of thin air , calling it money, and charging interest on it. granted all they need is a demand for loans. oh and the kicker , you put up real collateral.

the election is just to continue the illusion that we have a choice, but it does get the sheeple in a bit of a tussle. I guess as long as the economy is doing well our illusion will be secure. Just pray it doesn't collapse or the hammer will come down.

besides the bankers are licking their lips with the billions of potential debt slaves in the emerging countrys (hello china and india we bankers really would love to serve you lol) , as long as their USURY system doesn't collapse in credit deflation.



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[edit on 15-1-2008 by cpdaman]



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 10:49 PM
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I started a thread on this but it ended up being in political consp. Anyway, this point I wanted to share from it:

Big corporate ownership of the media has already decided and are defining what the issues are. Not allowing Kucinich or Paul to debate is filtering out issues that do not match with their own profit seeking motives.

[for example: Deninis Kucinich supports a uniform single payer health care system similar to Canada and most other western countries, Clinton and Oboma on the otherhand support mandatory insurance for all where the insurance companies are the middle men--I'd argue and many others would too, that a large part of the problem is the insurance companies in it right now in the first place, and yet they want to throw the beast an even bigger piece of meat--and so you see there that one cadidate (Kucinich) differs significantly on this issue from that of the other two. Kucinich is barred from the debate, so now on the issue of "health care" we have no debate at all...mission accomplished if your big corporate media]

If you look at the law, we the people own the frequencies / air waves. Big media is supposed to be acting within the interest of the public, they are obviously acting in their own interests and thus should not have their broadcasting lisences renewed. Obviously this is a cable channel and so may be exempt from having to act in the public's interest, but the whole thing is a numbers game in terms of market share, reach, quarter hours etc...you screw around with programming enough with a little bit here, some there, a little bit on this show, and eventually you have done enough adding to and taking away to effect the outcome.

This is one of the large conspiracies going on in the united states right now, and has been going on for quite some time now. Here we see just one more example of that conspiracy being carried out in Nevada tonight by MSNBC. Now how do you suppose Chris Mathews is going to spin it up?

[edit on 15-1-2008 by skyshow]



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 11:40 PM
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chris matthews wont even touch the exsculsion from the debate is my guess, but kieth olberman at least announced it he dident condem it with one of his "special comments" and probly wont take it anywhere either. your average viewer wont even know it happend at all. and why should they the msm isent making a big deal about and it dosent effect the ordinary citizens life (or so they would belive). its just nasty buisness all around and did you watch the debate? it seemed like alot of "i agree with your plan but think my plan is slightly diffrent, well i agree with your plan too but think my plan is also slightly diffrent ) i half expected to see them get up and give one another a big warm hug in the middle of the debate. what in the name of cheese was going on they appered more tonight like the same person with diffrent physical features then i have ever seen them, my and shadows plan is starting to seem even more the way to go then it did yesterday.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 11:56 PM
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I didn't see it Krill, but if what you are saying is accurate, it really backs up my post and supports my point. If we end up with single payer just like Canada, Great Britain, France and the rest of the free world etc...there goes all that revenue in media buys and agency packages for adds for big pharma (ie: Viagra, zyloopy, solexiadeficate etc...ask your doctor to prescribe b.s.) and also a bunch of managed care and insurance spot buys... plus you know the big corporations that own these media outlets, look who is on one another's board of directors, and who the shareholders are, and what other shares and interests these same holders have or are in....

The agenda is snuff out at all cost the following issues: 1. uniform single payer health care plan. 2. Federal Reserve private banking debt and collection scam and 3. Significant decreases in war and defense spending (this of course means we have to keep fighting the war on terror, and so nothing larger than a small and slow withdrawal from Iraq will be tolerated here...interestingly enough, Kucinich was for an imidiate pullout...who owns NBC? General Electric, BIG DEFFENCE! ding ding ding!!!!) In fact I would venture to say that all the big players, fat corporate campaign doners and media camps would prefer that the candidates didn't talk about any issues at all but rather defaulted to just so called "character" and "morality" issues...this way the people stay in a near hypnotic state without even thinking that any of the real issues even exist....much easier to control people this way, plus they can count on a big portion of people becoming so confused or just plane old turned off that they won't even bother showing up to vote. This is all about maintaining the status quo, and electing a moderate candidate, no matter what party. Now that doesn't mean the that there isn't a difference between the two parties, because there is, but if enough moderates are in and the balance of power is close to or around 50/50 split, nothing changes and the corporations have a much easier time managing their affairs and moving forward with the fascist agenda.

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