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Deny Arrogance

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posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 04:24 AM
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I started a thread on the General Conspiracy forum entitled Why does the US media want Britney Dead?

Now admittedly, its not your average everyday ATS subject insofar as it doesn't cover aliens, corrupt politicians, someones latest book etc but it asks a question about social issues and a few valid points have been raised about the power of the media, social conditioning etc.

But..popping up in the thread are comments such as these...



What is going on with ATSNN... scrolling down the recent posts and it is filled with some of the lamest, most moranic stuff I have ever seen on here....




Damn you must be bored. Imagine ATS being reduced to a Tabloid.
Demeans the whole site.




How this crap ends of on ATS is beyond me.


And I've got to say that, to me, they are out of line.

Some of the greatest conspiracies come from the world of celebrity, lets not forget subjects like Agatha Christie's disappearance and Marilyn Monroe's death.

So, the question is this - have I missed something and ATS has suddenly become the reserve of narrow minded people who can't look beyond "paranormal" conspiracies?

Did we have a clamp down on mainstream media related subjects?

Whats wrong with delving off the beaten track a little from time to time?




posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 05:17 AM
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yeah I saw that. Nice thread. I am fascinated by all the attention britney has been getting lately. I think you are getting those posts because people hate succesful people and the media is making her look really bad. It is a conspiracy so it does belong here. they are conspiring to destroy her image..same they did with Jackson. Basically, SONY is the evil corporation who is out to destroy their own contracts by having their artists deal with pain. SONY probably wants Britney dead because she's been changing her music and her style. I think something must be going on with her contract and SONY is doing all it can to destroy her reputation. That's my take on it because i've met her in person. Cute and smart. and very, very talented.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 05:28 AM
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I chalk it up to reading but not comprehending. Or reacting and not reading.

The same sort of comments appeared in another thread which incidentally, dealt with Britney Spears sister, Jamie Lynn Spears.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 05:32 AM
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Or you could think of them as mindless meat with an attitude and agenda of trolling.

Whatever the case...

We shall rise above.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 06:00 AM
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It's probably because most people here couldn't care less about Brittney. And the comparison to Monroe is beyond apples and oranges. Monroe ran in much higher circles, and was rumored to have been sleeping with the president... Brittney got knocked up by an ex-back up dancer.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 06:11 AM
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I posted in the thread and was looking forwards to reading something a little off the beaten track, but valid nonetheless.

I have to say that once the trolling started in earnest I was discouraged from reading more, let alone posting again, which was a shame as I found it genuinely interesting.

This is a tactic I am seeing more and more on ATS - disparage a thread and try to say it's not ATS material.

My answer is usually this - "if that's what you think, tell the mods. They are the arbiters of what constitutes ATS material, not you"

Usually works pretty well, but the more tenacious trolls will simply move to a different tactic - in this case, don't feed them,as you're just giving them what they want; a derailed thread



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 06:12 AM
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Originally posted by phoenixhasrisin
It's probably because most people here couldn't care less about Brittney. And the comparison to Monroe is beyond apples and oranges. Monroe ran in much higher circles, and was rumored to have been sleeping with the president... Brittney got knocked up by an ex-back up dancer.



As a HUGE fan of Monroe I actually do see the comparison, especially when taking jedimiller's comments on board. Monroe was pigeon holed, wanted to branch out and explore her abilities as an actress but the studios saw her as a money-making-machine-sex-object.

The fact is a dead Britney will generate more income for Sony, just as in comparison a dead Amy Winehouse will make more money for Island.

Incidently rumours of Monroe and both Robert and John Kennedy are confirmed. Does Britney need to 'do' George Bush to be valid news in your book?

Neformore, arrogance seems par for the course here on ATS, why people feel the need to add dismissive comments is beyond me. If you haven't got anything to add don't post there are plenty of threads to choose from. If you haven't got anything useful to say, don't say anything at all - that's my philosophy.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 06:30 AM
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Who are you to say what is useful ?

Perhaps the comments were useful in discouraging more Brittney threads.

Edit To Add: Yes I would be more interested if she was rumored to be sleeping with Bush...but only if she ended up dead of course


[edit on 15-1-2008 by phoenixhasrisin]



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by phoenixhasrisin
Who are you to say what is useful ?


The same can be asked of you.



Perhaps the comments were useful in discouraging more Brittney threads.


Accept the thread in question wasnt the usual assinine discussion about who she slept with or how long her hair is. It was discussing (or at least attempting to discuss) a conspiracy within the media conglomerates to figuratively and possibly literally kill Britney.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by InSpiteOf
Accept the thread in question wasnt the usual assinine discussion about who she slept with or how long her hair is. It was discussing (or at least attempting to discuss) a conspiracy within the media conglomerates to figuratively and possibly literally kill Britney.


Yep. You got the whole idea of the thread in a nutshell. Sadly, for some reason, certain people fail to grasp that.

Heres another quote thats cropped up in the thread -



besides there are far more important things out there to talk besides her.


Britney Spears is the target - and that all.

The thread is about the people who have picked out the target, how its all being handled, and why people seem to drink this stuff in.

Its about why people like Phoenix above want to apparently see someone they've never met, and never will meet probably, dead - just because they have attained success and recognition. How crassly bloodthirsty is that?

Its not a gossip fest. Its about media manipulation and the way stories are handled but, as its not about aliens/politics/religion/someones book sales/website promotion/hatefest the thread gets dissed.

I give up.

[edit on 15/0108/08 by neformore]



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 10:12 AM
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its sad some people target others just because they have money. What did Britney / Paris / Lindsay / etc. do that was so wrong? Act young and dumb? isn't that what made them popular in the first place? Sheesh... I don't hate anyone because they have money, that's just dumb.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by InSpiteOf
The same can be asked of you.

I'm not the one stating that people's posts be "useful", so no, the same can not be asked of me.

Accept the thread in question wasnt the usual assinine discussion about who she slept with or how long her hair is. It was discussing (or at least attempting to discuss) a conspiracy within the media conglomerates to figuratively and possibly literally kill Britney.

Actually, yes it was, just because it might have tried to come from a different angle doesn't change the fact that it is still chatter about a pre-fab celebrity personality.

Originally posted by neformore
Its about why people like Phoenix above want to apparently see someone they've never met, and never will meet probably, dead - just because they have attained success and recognition. How crassly bloodthirsty is that?

I don't want to see her dead, and I never suggested such a thing...**snip**


Its not a gossip fest. Its about media manipulation and the way stories are handled but, as its not about aliens/politics/religion/someones book sales/website promotion/hatefest the thread gets dissed.

I give up.

Yes it is a gossip fest, it's just from another angle. And it's not media manipulation either. Almost every single story you have read about Brittney is true, and the sad fact of the matter is: The only thing that's going to be killed is her carreer, and she did everything to bring it upon herself.

Besides, I really don't think that the world will be much worse off if Brittney were to dissapear from the public eye, for whatever reason.

[edit on 15-1-2008 by phoenixhasrisin]

[edit on 16-1-2008 by HarlemHottie]



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by phoenixhasrisin
I don't want to see her dead, and I never suggested such a thing...maybe smacked out and doing porn in the Valley, but not dead.


OK. Thanks for your insightful input.

I didn't realise that I was dealing with people in junior high, but now I understand.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 02:51 PM
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Deny arrogance is a motto that I am willing to subscribe to any time - all the more so because arrogance actually EQUALS... ignorance.
And because arrogance is imposed by the limits of people's own minds, I don't think there's much chance in succeeding. But is it worth fighting for?
You bet!

I have not read the Spears thread, simply because I am not interested in her or people like her. But then I haven't read most of the other threads either, because I am not interested in paranoia either.
And your take on B. S. is certainly not the worst thread subject I've seen - not by a long shot.
At least she is REAL...












[edit on 15-1-2008 by Vanitas]



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 08:47 PM
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Originally posted by neformore
I didn't realise that I was dealing with people in junior high, but now I understand.


Hey, I'm not the one pre-occupied with teenage celeb idols, but whatever.

I wasn't the one who jumped in your other thread to piss on your parade, so why don't you just relax. You asked a question in this thread so I tried to give you an answer, and in return I get called crassly bloodthirsty, and accused of being in Jr High. What kind of crap is that?



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 01:30 AM
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Originally posted by phoenixhasrisin
You asked a question in this thread so I tried to give you an answer, and in return I get called crassly bloodthirsty, and accused of being in Jr High. What kind of crap is that?


Go back and read what you've written and apply it happening to your sister or girlfriend.

Then maybe you'll understand that at the end of the day, we are talking about a real person.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 01:53 AM
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Originally posted by neformore
Go back and read what you've written and apply it happening to your sister or girlfriend.

Then maybe you'll understand that at the end of the day, we are talking about a real person.


Is this about my little smaked out porn comment? Please, like you wouldn't buy the DVD.

Why is it that you only want to focus on my humor and not any of the points I raised in regards to your question?

[edit on 16-1-2008 by phoenixhasrisin]



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 02:00 AM
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'People hate successful people and the media is making her look bad'
Naw....
She's doing a fine job all by herself.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 02:10 AM
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She went into show business. Her goal was to become famous. She and her agents created a persona that they aimed to have young girls idolize. This is what happens when young girls idolize you. They want to be like her in every way, that means the paparazzi follow her to give the children what they want, which is what B.S. and her crew wanted in the first place.

Now she's complaining that it's happening.

You can't have your cake and eat it to, (even though it looks like she's been eating a lot of cake).

It drove her nuts, but it wasn't the paparazzi, it was her herself, her mom, her manager, agent, producer, Disney, etc.....

If she didn't want to become a whacko pop star, she should have never become a mouseketeer.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 02:29 AM
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Originally posted by phoenixhasrisin
Why is it that you only want to focus on my humor and not any of the points I raised in regards to your question?


Well...maybe because your "humour" doesn't come across very well?

As for your comments - you trashed the thread. Either you didn't read it or you just didn't care. There were numerous questions raised in the actual thread that were not exclusive to Britney Spears but were more involved with society as a whole and the power of the media.

You just read "Britney Spears" and then dismissed it. Why should I bother answering questions you raise when its clear you either intentionally missed the point or just plain didn't read what was written?




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