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I think I figured out how things exist

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posted on Jan, 14 2008 @ 06:22 PM
"Why does anything exist?" has been a huge question that reverberates throughout human history. I don't know why, but I think I found out how. Bear with me.

The ancients referred to the Absolute, or the world that we exist in, as the Void and the All. It is contradictory in itself because it is a concept that our human minds cannot grasp, but that's how it is. I think the reason that this works is because the world that we live in, or the Absolute, at its very foundation is the Void. Before there was "something" there was the Void. Even time came into existence after the Void, as time is the measurement of change, but the Void does not change, for it cannot, for it is Nothing. The Void is all encompassing, but also nonexistent. And I believe that all existence, or the All, is just manipulation of the Void.

The All exists within the Void, and the All must be divided into two parts, the All and the anti-All, the Yin and the Yang. All of existence seemed to be layers of Macrocosm and Microcosm, where the bigger you get the more obvious the Duality. At the very foundation of physical existence, there is matter and anti-matter. Whenever matter is created, anti-matter is generated in the same amount, and when the two interact with each other, they negate each other and form nothing; the Void. Then, if you want to see it, Duality is a part of everything, and the All, anti-All, and the Void form the Trinity, which is the only thing that is not dual in nature, consider the Yin-Yang symbol being the All and the Anti-All with the entire circle that it exists within the Void.

But anyway, the importance of the Duality is that in the end, one part cannot exist without the other. For instance, light cannot exist without darkness because there would be nothing to judge it by. However, this is also true for objects such as a table. The opposite of a table physically would be the anti-matter counterpart to the matter of the table. However, the opposite of the concept of the table is the concept of the not-table. Once one realizes the concept of the table, at the same time, one comes to the realization of what a not-table is, or in other words, what a table isn't. You can't know what a table is but not know what it isn't. Basically what I am saying is that everything is made up of layers and layers of Dualities.

The ultimate example of this, would be in Mathematics, the most exact of all sciences (not in the modern sense of what science means) and was considered to be the logic of the Absolute. So what is math? I have come to believe that the only real "number" is Zero, the only reality. All math and other values are merely manipulations of the Zero. For example, 1 only exists because there is a -1 to counterbalance it. Likewise, there is a direct opposite for every single number. Take any equation and dissect it. For example:

2a + 3b = 4c + 5d

What does this say? To me, one side of the equation represents the All, the other side represents the Anti-all, and both are able to exist because of the Equal Sign, which is symbolic of the Zero, or the Void (and again, it is a Trinity). So essentially what I'm saying is that I believe things exist only because there is an equal opposite to that thing (in every aspect) and that in fact the two opposites negate each other, which is why things are able to come out of the Void, or the Nothing. It is because they still equal Nothing, but is just merely a manipulation of Nothing, the ultimate reality, and all other realities are based upon the illusion of existence. This is why, in my opinion, the Absolute is considered to be the All and the Void at the same time, as the All (and Anti-All) is still equal to the Void.

Let me know if this makes sense, this is still kind of a developing theory. I know this isn't so much a conspiracy theory but I'd like to know what you think of it, because most people aren't interested in reading anything this long.

Feedback and criticisms are welcome!

[edit on 14-1-2008 by italkyoulisten]

posted on Jan, 14 2008 @ 06:34 PM
i think your thinking is correct for you, however to be honest i havent a clue what you are talking about, i have read a few things on what i believe you are talking about and i don't really see what you are getting at, you say that when matter is created, well do you mean solid liquid gases? or manufacturing processes, as you talk about table alot.

You seem to have discovered yin and yang, but the whole point of duality is to split yourself, that is reality on the level of the mind, the goal is to move to the centre or a single reality, the one reality where all things have acknowlegdement that they exsist. You are the one that creates the duality, duality does not cause a table any problems, does it?

a table does not know its a table nor is it a table until you say so.

[edit on 14-1-2008 by mcktj]

posted on Jan, 14 2008 @ 06:49 PM
reply to post by mcktj

I mean that whenever at a high powered particle accelerator two particles slam into each other at high speeds, matter is created, but antimatter is made in the same amount, and when each react with each other, they generate nothing.

I'm not talking about splitting oneself. I'm saying that duality is a fundamental law that exists in all things, not just oneself. And I mean that the only true reality is the Void, and that all existence is just a manipulation of the Void.

I'm saying that the table may or may not exist, but all of what we perceive of the table is just a jumble of dualities layered one upon another, which leads to my conclusion that all perception and existence is just manipulations of the Nothing.

Note: I don't think you read what I wrote very carefully because I only brought up table as a quick example. It's only a minute part of the whole idea that I am trying to convey.

[edit on 14-1-2008 by italkyoulisten]

posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 12:24 AM
You are correct, sir.

Join the everything club.

posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 02:18 AM

Originally posted by italkyoulisten
I mean that whenever at a high powered particle accelerator two particles slam into each other at high speeds, matter is created, but antimatter is made in the same amount, and when each react with each other, they generate nothing.

Many years ago i came up with essentially the same idea, so i know what you mean when you use mathemathics as a comparison.

I would only like to correct two things:

When matter and antimatter annihilate you DON'T get nothing. You get energy.

What you have to do now, is account for this energy in your nothing calculation. If you can't, let me now and i'll try to help you out.

Another thing you should correct is, that the equal sign does not represent zero. The left and right side of the equasion do not represent the numbers and the anti-numbers.

Instead it goes like this:

0 = +1 -1 +2 -2 +3 -3 +42 -42 +table -table (since someone noticed you like tables so much

I still have countless papers from the crazy time i was coming up with this idea. Many funny drawings and calculations, that at that time i thought explain everything, without explaining anything really.

It's a nice thought imparted on us by science fiction, the multiverse theories and some yin / yang for good measure...

But i'm glad to hear i wasnt the only one to have it..

If you have developed this theory into a more detailed explanation, than the one you posted here, i would be happy to discuss it with you further.

You know.. I'll show you mine, if you show me yours...

[edit on 15/1/08 by deezee]

posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 02:20 AM
Pythagoras showed that the number 0 does not exist.
0 is can not be used to calculate.
it has no motion.
the number 1 has no harmonic content but is nessesary
to create a harmonic.(the number 1 is more of a point of reference)

number 2 creates a harmonic and then the wave doubles and it skips 3 and in proportion goes to 4.

the harmonic of the 4 goes to the 8 but if it is following the geometric path of the trinity then after that it actually goes to the 7 and then to the 5 and then starts all over again at 1 but an octave higher(its the natual growth sequence of life).
this completes the yin-yang path.

numbers are alive......they cannot be dead...they move/vibrate/spin

what we see as a duality is actually a triality.
It is the TRINITY.
it is 3 properties and not just 2
the ying , yang ,and the boundery/the s curve.

the s-curve is the third property in the yin-yang symbol.

now the boundery/s-curve is the mirror/the negative
that you mentioned.

why an s-curve?....because everything is spinning.
take a spinning sphere and imagine the engergy emmiting from the dead center outwards in all directions at once.
you will see s-curves.... just like a galaxy spinning.

the ultimate in science can ONLY be found in nature and natual laws.

posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 10:15 PM
reply to post by deezee

Yea you bring up a good point about the annihilation of Matter and anti-Matter. Energy seems to be akin to light, but I can't seem to figure out. The properties of light seem to be two-fold, the physical nature of it , in the sense of brightness, and the metaphysical nature, being energy. Light is the standard of the universe, in that it sets the limits (or that's what we believe at least). But I don't know how it fits into the equation yet though.

But about the = sign, I did not mean for it to mean zero, I meant balance.

and to Maya432:

The number zero is the symbolic representation of inexistence. The simply put, inexistence cannot exist, because it is by definition nonexistent. However, what I am saying is the opposite. I am asserting that the zero, or inexistence, is the natural state of things, and that all other numbers, or existence, only exist as a manipulation of the state of not-existing. I am saying that the number 1 exists only because -1 is there to balance it, forming zero, which represents inexistence. Do you see what I am saying? It has nothing to do with vibrations or anything at all. All I am saying is that things exist only because there is an equal opposite to that thing (in fact many layers of dualities) but in the end they together balance out to Void.

You are right about the Trinity, which is what I was explaining originally. The Trinity consists of the Nothing, and the Duality of All and anti-All that exist within the Nothing, which together equals Nothing.

Also, this has nothing to do with science. This is a philosophical question that science will probably never be able to answer, due to its physical nature.

Essentially, I am saying that all things exist and don't exist at the same time.

[edit on 16-1-2008 by italkyoulisten]

posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 10:47 PM
Cognito ergo sum. Things exist because we exist. If we (living things with a point of view) didn't exist, then there would be no consciousness to observe anything and collapse a quantum wave function, and therefore everything would remain in a virtual state. Schrodinger's Cat would never come out of the box.

posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 10:58 PM
I came to the conclusion that "nothing cannot exist" for if nothing actually 'existed' then it wouldn't be nothing, but something

With regards to some scientists saying a universe cannot exist without a mind percieving it - well what about the time before life ever began, like after the big bang, it had to be there.....

Thinking about this makes my head spin, i got thinking into it so much that at one point I thought a lightglobe didn't give off light, but actually sucked in darkness.......hah

posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 11:12 PM

Originally posted by Im a Marty
With regards to some scientists saying a universe cannot exist without a mind percieving it - well what about the time before life ever began, like after the big bang, it had to be there.....

Don't get bogged down thinking of time as only going in one direction. There's nothing inherent in time that suggests it only goes from the past through the present to the future. Those are all flexible concepts. It could very well be that what we define as the "past" is actually created by us in the present and future as we consider and imagine it. After all, to "imagine" something is to bring an image of it into our minds out of nowhere and no-time. That very act may ultimately create the universe out of virtuality in the past.

posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 11:38 PM
Nothing comes even before time, for if time is the measurement of change, and Nothing cannot change, as it does not have any properties, then therefore time must exist after Nothing.

I not saying that we exist because we do. I am saying that we exist because there is an opposite to every level of our existence so that in the end it is still equivalent to the Nothing, which is how all things are in a constant state of both existence and inexistence. Think about it, if I am correct, then there is no such thing as existence, as it is merely an illusion. For example, the number 1 is an illusion, and the other half to the illusion of 1 is -1, and together, the whole is still 0, or Nothing. I'm trying to say that the whole of existence is equivalent to Nothing, the ultimate paradox.

Also, I do not believe in the existence of a past or future, but instead just one instance of existence, the Present. The past is the concept of Before-Now, and the future is the concept of After-Now, but neither of them actually physically exist.

"With regards to some scientists saying a universe cannot exist without a mind percieving it - well what about the time before life ever began, like after the big bang, it had to be there....."

to make such a claim first assumes that existence only exists within our minds. I believe that existence exists outside of our minds, but our minds merely interpret it, but I have no idea if it is an accurate representation of the Absolute, as we are unable to comprehend it through physical perception (sight, smell, hearing, feel, taste), but rather through metaphysical perception (mind, logic, reasoning), and that is where science will fail and philosophy will prevail.

[edit on 16-1-2008 by italkyoulisten]

posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 12:14 AM
Actually # I think light (or energy) would be the opposite to time, as light is never changing! It constantly travels at the speed of light, which is also the speed in which time stands still. As objects move closer to the speed of light, they experience slower time. Light is the only thing that moves at the speed of light. Therefore light is the only thing that exists outside of time! Light experiences no time.

Do you think it would make sense to say that without light there cannot be time and vice versa?


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