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VIDEO: This is What A Police State Looks Like

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posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 09:41 PM
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You all are in the wrong... lets take a look at the first amendment...

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

PEACEABLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Most of the morons that protest get violent, break things, and disturb the PEACE. They set things on fire, litter, trash the neighborhood, and even graffiti on walls, slow the normal flow of traffic, and restrict people from reaching important buildings and businesses in the area.

I remember the "portland" RIOT. All of the illegal things I mentioned above were documented and very well noticed. This is when the Police get the "go ahead" on breaking up the protest. When ONE person turns the protest into an unpeacfull one, it ruins it for EVERYONE. That means EVERYONE must leave and no longer protest. When people don't leave INSTANTLY, they get force used on them.

So stop crying for people who ruin protests. Try learning what PEACE is.

[edit on 15-1-2008 by ALLis0NE]




posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by ALLis0NE
Most of the morons that protest get violent, break things, and disturb the PEACE.


Really? MOST of those "morons" that protest, huh?

You cant back that up, stop spreading lies.



I remember the "portland" RIOT. All of the illegal things I mentioned above were documented and very well noticed.


Can you prove that, because all I saw were BUBBLES.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 09:57 PM
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Thank you so much for the kind words and support Xmotex.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 10:20 PM
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Do you seriously believe that the founders were so short-sighted as to write anything even approaching that interpretation? All a tyrant would have to do in order to void the right to assemble would be to send one agent to throw a rock.

When ONE person (emphasis yours) disturbs the peace, then that one person should be dealt with- period.

Lest we forget, the right to protest keeps America safe. The fact that people can take to the streets without arms in the name of their cause is one of the major reasons that people seldom take to the streets WITH arms in the name of their cause, here in America.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by ALLis0NE
Most of the morons that protest get violent, break things, and disturb the PEACE. They set things on fire, litter, trash the neighborhood, and even graffiti on walls, slow the normal flow of traffic, and restrict people from reaching important buildings and businesses in the area.


Thanks man. I don't mind being called a moron. I have been to many protests, most of them peaceful. A couple we were forced to leave because the police told us to, not for any illegal incident's.


When ONE person turns the protest into an unpeacfull one, it ruins it for EVERYONE. That means EVERYONE must leave and no longer protest. When people don't leave INSTANTLY, they get force used on them.


What happens when that one person you mention is an undercover cop sent in to incite a riot? I'll refer you to my first post in this thread for evidence.


So stop crying for people who ruin protests. Try learning what PEACE is.


I know what peace is. Most of the protests I have attended were FOR peace.


Generalizations usually don't help your argument. :shk:



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 10:41 PM
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This I fear because I see it happening, the Police state.

Sometimes I think that we make up stuff like the Reptile People thing, because they are actually easier to explain, we can create meaning for the bad guys in these threads. We can define their nefarious purpose.

But this, how do we make sense, construct a logic that is not devastating to explain away the cool and methodical plan for making people go away by people who are sworn to protect us.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by ALLis0NE

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

PEACEABLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[edit on 15-1-2008 by ALLis0NE]


Excellent post. Furthermore the 1st amendment only limits Congress, not the Executive branch of government nor the Judicial branch. Congress has no right to even define "peaceably" in any law.
When police break up a riot, people can petition the courts, as the Judicial system is not limited by the 1st amendment in defining "peaceably". Remember though, at the federal level the judicial system is appointed by the Executive Branch and passed by Congress.

There is a strong case to be made that the Congress cannot even inquire on court appointees up for approval on any matter involving the 1st amendment, as that would be influencing the definition and thereby determing the law of the land.

In conclusion, the 1st amendment only protects the people from Congress, which only makes up one third of the govt.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 12:55 AM
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Originally posted by SectionEight
In conclusion, the 1st amendment only protects the people from Congress, which only makes up one third of the govt.



Where are you getting this from? Is Michelle Malkin giving law classes?

I am amazed that you really seem to believe some of the things you post.

Funny thing about the Constitution, my 12 year can read and understand it.

It really isn’t that hard.

Let me break it down in language you may be able to understand. Try to follow along, I will keep it short.

Are my local police congressional? They are not.

Are they allowed to kick in my door without a warrant? They are not.

Why? Because the CONSTITUTION says they can’t!

Just like it says they cannot stop me from assembling peacefully.

Educate yourself; you aren’t looking so good here.


[edit on 16-1-2008 by cavscout]



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 02:40 AM
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Congress may make no law, the judicial branch may only intepret the law, and the executive branch may only enforce the law, ergo, if the congress cannot order it, the government cannot do it.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 02:45 AM
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There is a definite element of good and evil fighting to control the fate and future of this planet. Every time you make a decission one way or another big or small you help to create the balance on one side or the other.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 02:45 AM
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I happen to live in Portland. I know what I am about to say will not be popular on this board. Though I support the 1st amendment and everyones right to protest in a peaceful manner, I have to say that these protesters are to blame, not the Portland police. The Portland police are sick and tired of these senseless protests getting out of hand.
Portland, by and large is a national magnet for runaways, the homeless, the indigent, and every sort of social freak and misfit you can imagine. Don't get me started on the meth and drug situation which is out of control in this town. There are also more adult "entertainment" stores here per capita than any place else in the country (thanks to Oregon's constitution).
The city government here tends to coddle these sorts.
The police in Portland have a lot to deal with. They have a mayor and city council that are (blurry) borderline socialists, a militant lesbian dominated (allegedly) city hall and a screwed up environmental agenda that rolls up to the state government.
When it comes to protesters, it seems that they city gives them the green light to march whenever and wherever they like. Groups with opposing viewpoints don't seem to get the same Carte Blanche (allegedly).
The majority of these protesters are simply hipsters who are brain washed by the likes of Al Gore and the left wing media. These people typically can't make a life decision without consulting Al Gore or the Code Pink handbook.
Bottom line... the cops have a life to live and a job to do. The idiots marching in these protests are quite disconnected from reality. Anytime that something goes wrong or they are "victimized" by crime or society, they are the first ones to scream for help from the police.
I wish that these self-loathing, America hating protesters would get off my planet.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 07:30 AM
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Originally posted by cavscout

Originally posted by SectionEight
In conclusion, the 1st amendment only protects the people from Congress, which only makes up one third of the govt.



Where are you getting this from? Is Michelle Malkin giving law classes?

I am amazed that you really seem to believe some of the things you post.

Funny thing about the Constitution, my 12 year can read and understand it.

It really isn’t that hard.

Let me break it down in language you may be able to understand. Try to follow along, I will keep it short.

Are my local police congressional? They are not.

Are they allowed to kick in my door without a warrant? They are not.

Why? Because the CONSTITUTION says they can’t!

Just like it says they cannot stop me from assembling peacefully.

Educate yourself; you aren’t looking so good here.


[edit on 16-1-2008 by cavscout]


All it takes is an executive order of martial law and they will be kicking your door down or they will send the ATF out to greet you with a standard suspicion of illegal firearms possession warrant they can get at anytime against anyone. One false move by you to any of the ATF's inquiries and you will be off to jail.
www.atfabuse.com...
www.cs.cmu.edu...



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 08:24 AM
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runaways, the homeless, the indigent, and every sort of social freak and misfit you can imagine


Some of you people simply just can't stand it that the previously disenfranchised and minority groups have banded together and now form a robust voting block. I would imagine that these same people are totally disgusted that Gore received the noble peace prize for his work. Have you ever attended one of his lectures, or read any of his writings? The man is absolutely brilliant to say nothing about his quality of public speaking and his suburb writing abilities.

By the way, Portland Oregon is one of the cleanest most beautiful city in all of America. It has some terrific shopping, great coffee shops, one of the best bookstores this side of the international date line, and a public transit system that is second to none. The only drawback aside from social problems ills such as drug abuse common everywhere (something that really needs to be addressed at it's root cause and treated not as a crime, but rather as a treatable illness and symptom of a greater problem, but of course that requires an educated approach towards the issue), is that it rains most of the year, unfortunately the rain water doesn't wash the biggots and uninformed down the sewer drain with all the runoff. *sighs*



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by skyshow



runaways, the homeless, the indigent, and every sort of social freak and misfit you can imagine


Some of you people simply just can't stand it that the previously disenfranchised and minority groups have banded together and now form a robust voting block. I would imagine that these same people are totally disgusted that Gore received the noble peace prize for his work. Have you ever attended one of his lectures, or read any of his writings? The man is absolutely brilliant to say nothing about his quality of public speaking and his suburb writing abilities.

By the way, Portland Oregon is one of the cleanest most beautiful city in all of America. It has some terrific shopping, great coffee shops, one of the best bookstores this side of the international date line, and a public transit system that is second to none. The only drawback aside from social problems ills such as drug abuse common everywhere (something that really needs to be addressed at it's root cause and treated not as a crime, but rather as a treatable illness and symptom of a greater problem, but of course that requires an educated approach towards the issue), is that it rains most of the year, unfortunately the rain water doesn't wash the biggots and uninformed down the sewer drain with all the runoff. *sighs*


Coffee shops and bookstores are fine for recreation but nothing more. Al Gore has egg all over his face as the new concensus is that the world is cooling. He is steeped in conspiracy, just look at his association to the rights of selling carbon credits. He is nothing more than a mouthpiece that the mainstream politics of America has grown tired of. Oh and he invented the internet, lol. To cite him is is a weak argument at best. Your obvious disdain for those that oppose the social movements of college dropouts who live in their parents basements praying for the day of legal cannibas is hillarious.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by GAOTU789
Remember,"I was just following orders" isn't a justifiable defence.


Look to the Nuremberg trials for proof of this.


The Nuremberg Defense is a legal defense that essentially states that the defendant was "only following orders" ("Befehl ist Befehl") and is therefore not responsible for his crimes. The defense was most famously employed during the Nuremberg Trials, after which it is named.



"The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him."


en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by IAF101
A lot of crazy people stir up mobs with crazy ideas, I hope that such people are put away for sedition.


You mean like this guy?


Galileo was required to recant his heliocentric ideas; the idea that the Sun is stationary was condemned as "formally heretical." However, while there is no doubt that Pope Urban VIII and the vast majority of Church officials did not believe in heliocentrism, heliocentrism was never formally or officially condemned by the Catholic Church, except insofar as it held (for instance, in the formal condemnation of Galileo) that "The proposition that the sun is in the center of the world and immovable from its place is absurd, philosophically false, and formally heretical; because it is expressly contrary to Holy Scriptures", and the converse as to the Sun's not revolving around the Earth.[60]

He was ordered imprisoned; the sentence was later commuted to house arrest.

His offending Dialogue was banned; and in an action not announced at the trial, publication of any of his works was forbidden, including any he might write in the future.[61]



en.wikipedia.org...

Damn those nutters with their crazy ideas.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 11:24 AM
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Ha ha, Yes, I have been trying to put my tv to sleep, but nothing works....

Alex Jones is generaly the noise my neighbors are complaining about - his show plays on a loop all day everyday at my place.

Viva tha republic



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by The Vagabond
All a tyrant would have to do in order to void the right to assemble would be to send one agent to throw a rock.


Which I believe is what we are seeing. I remember a thread around here that shows an undercover cop (he wasn't smart enough to not wear his cop boots) was the one who "ruined it" for the rest of the real protestors. You can see he has his cop boots on (even the little yellow tag on the bottom) while they pretend to arrest him.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by SectionEight
All it takes is an executive order of martial law and they will be kicking your door down or they will send the ATF out to greet you with a standard suspicion of illegal firearms possession warrant they can get at anytime against anyone. One false move by you to any of the ATF's inquiries and you will be off to jail.
www.atfabuse.com...
www.cs.cmu.edu...


I notice your first link is atf abuse dot com. So, you agree with us that this is unconstitutional then?

[edit on 1/16/2008 by Griff]



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by matt the rat

The majority of these protesters are simply hipsters who are brain washed by the likes of Al Gore and the left wing media. These people typically can't make a life decision without consulting Al Gore or the Code Pink handbook.


I actually resent those remarks. As I stated earlier, I have been to many protests over the years. It is my right to do so. I don't consult anybody, I decide on the basis of whether it is something I believe in or if the cause is worthy enough for my support. There is no left wing media. It's all the same corporate entity designed to make you believe in the Left/Right divide and it is apparently working.


Bottom line... the cops have a life to live and a job to do.


Yes they do but when they over step their boundries by circumventing our Rights, it is our job to do something about it. Oh and there job happens to be protecting our Rights yes?


The idiots marching in these protests are quite disconnected from reality.


Really? I feel I have a very good grasp of reality. Enough to know that I am not an idiot anyway. Oh and watch the video again, there are a lot of middle class Americans there. Watch the video's I linked earlier in the thread. Those people are seniors, students, professor's, business people municipal politicians. Are those people idiots also?


Anytime that something goes wrong or they are "victimized" by crime or society, they are the first ones to scream for help from the police.


Of course they do. Thats what the police are for, enforcing laws and protecting the citizens they are sworn "To Serve and Protect" . Who would you have them call?

I wish that these self-loathing, America hating protesters would get off my planet.


Your planet? Really? Wow.




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