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Originally posted by LDragonFire
I have no idea what your talking about. I have to assume that mans sin is why we have had so many species go extinct? This is interesting since most species that have gone extinct did so before humans where here, at least there is no evidence that humans where here.
Originally posted by LDragonFire
It amazes me that people still believe or have faith in a story with so many flaws, that they will believe aliens are really demons
Originally posted by LDragonFire
and the fossilized remains of dinosaurs where put here by the devil.
Originally posted by LDragonFire
Again if God Created all species, then why would there be a 99.9% failure rate?
Originally posted by Austin9599945
First off..I never said I needed anyone.
I was simply desrcribing the ignorant girl(women)I dated.
second..Im not too young to date...i AM too young to love.I have never claimed to love a girlfriend...I for one understand loves complexity and realize its beyond my maturity level.
thanks.
I find him unjust,sorry.Infinite punishment for finite sins.
He judges beliefs over actions.
If you believe = you get heaven.
you dont believe in me but save lives,cure cancer,help people etc = you burn for eternity.
Originally posted by SilverSmith
Originally posted by Austin9599945
First off..I never said I needed anyone.
I was simply desrcribing the ignorant girl(women)I dated.
second..Im not too young to date...i AM too young to love.I have never claimed to love a girlfriend...I for one understand loves complexity and realize its beyond my maturity level.
thanks.
I find him unjust,sorry.Infinite punishment for finite sins.
He judges beliefs over actions.
If you believe = you get heaven.
you dont believe in me but save lives,cure cancer,help people etc = you burn for eternity.
There was once two scientists who went on a journey to a remote part of the jungle. They argued for some time as to whether a guide would be best for them in their journey but one of them got frustrated because the other scientist could not find a guide he trusted so he trekked off on his own, even though the other highly objected. Finally he meet up with a guide he trusted so they went off into the jungle and they reached their destination in good time but no sign of the other scientist for another 2 days. He came stumbling out of the jungle into the camp bleeding, missing several fingers, with a fever, severe blisters and dehydrated. Near death in other words. He was cared for and when he woke up he asked the other scientist, "How did you get here unscathed?" The other scientist replied, "I had a guide" So he looked over at his friends guide and we was missing part of one leg, an eye and had a mangled arm. He said to his friend, "Couldn't find a good guide, huh?" "Oh no" His college replied, "He was the best because after speaking with him he knew where all the trouble spots were!"
Do you understand that in regards to your "girl troubles"? That was my intention.
Do you agree with every scientist who preaches his or her theory on evolution? Is there 100% accord across the plain of the church of evolution? That answer would most likely be "NO". So how is it any different for preachers giving a sermon? If I claim that evolution says this and says that but you correct me I would be in error to think ALL evolutionists believe the same thing. I debate and argue against many "preachers" of Gods word because many are ignorant and teaching false doctrine.
Lastly, you disagree with someone being punished for infinity because they committed finite sins, correct? Tell me please, did they commit those sins against an Infinite or finite God? Since God is Infinite His Love and also Wrath are Infinite.
Originally posted by LDragonFire
Religions states that God, created all life.
If God created all life then why has 99.9% of all life that has ever existed now extinct? Are we to believe that God created species a Vast amount of them just to perish? This "design" seems to be very flawed.
A List of extinct animals
Of all species that have existed on Earth, 99.9 percent are now extinct. Many of them perished in five cataclysmic events.
According to a recent poll, seven out of ten biologists think we are currently in the throes of a sixth mass extinction. Some say it could wipe out as many as 90 percent of all species living today. Yet other scientists dispute such dire projections.
As our panelists debate the issue, they also consider how one species -- Homo sapiens -- may be triggering a modern mass extinction.
A modern mass extinction
Originally posted by Austin9599945
I find him unjust,sorry.Infinite punishment for finite sins.
He judges beliefs over actions.
If you believe = you get heaven.
you dont believe in me but save lives,cure cancer,help people etc = you burn for eternity.
Originally posted by SilverSmith
You're both incorrect.
Scripture, which is read by both Roman Catholics and Protestants (Reformed Theology) declares that God alone "saves" those whom He has predestined for such.
No one ever chooses to be saved, no one ever seeks God unless first called by God. For those citing "free will" then I challenge you to find that for me in Scripture.
God is the Potter, we the clay, who are we to say to the Potter, "What are you doing (with me)? Some God has set aside for a blessing and others to be damned. There is no working oneself into heaven, there is no amount of goodness that we can do on our part to be saved nor can one pray themselves into a position of Gods grace.
God alone saves us and also calls us.
Originally posted by SilverSmith
You're both incorrect.
Scripture, which is read by both Roman Catholics and Protestants (Reformed Theology) declares that God alone "saves" those whom He has predestined for such.
No one ever chooses to be saved, no one ever seeks God unless first called by God. For those citing "free will" then I challenge you to find that for me in Scripture.
God is the Potter, we the clay, who are we to say to the Potter, "What are you doing (with me)? Some God has set aside for a blessing and others to be damned. There is no working oneself into heaven, there is no amount of goodness that we can do on our part to be saved nor can one pray themselves into a position of Gods grace.
God alone saves us and also calls us.
Originally posted by Austin9599945
I was just saying what I was taught by educated christians.
And from talking to them the only way to get to heaven is through christ.
doing good gets you nowhere..saving lives etc.
Originally posted by Austin9599945
what was that again?That no one can choose to save themselves?
Basically your life is already planed out and you cant be saved etc?
Originally posted by Austin9599945
I never really understood the different branches of christianity and stuff.
so if someone could sum them up it would be awesome.
Originally posted by Austin9599945
what was that again?That no one can choose to save themselves?
Basically your life is already planed out and you cant be saved etc?
if thats what you meant I didnt know that.
I never really understood the different branches of christianity and stuff.
so if someone could sum them up it would be awesome.
Originally posted by SilverSmith
Originally posted by Austin9599945
what was that again?That no one can choose to save themselves?
Basically your life is already planed out and you cant be saved etc?
if thats what you meant I didnt know that.
I never really understood the different branches of christianity and stuff.
so if someone could sum them up it would be awesome.
Everyone is capable of doing both good and bad deeds and this is in the realm of subjectivity. Lets say that good deeds could grant us entrance into heaven. What if I then said that my good deeds are far greater than yours thus I have set the bar higher for entrance into heaven or that my position in heaven should be greater?
So then my deeds are based on selfishness. Scripture though states that no one is "good" for when we state "Oprah is good because she helps so many people" sure it's a good thing but Oprah herself is not "good" in the sense that her goodness can save her for God is the Ultimate Good and is her "goodness" greater than Gods?
God demands perfection from His creation but who is perfect? Who can then be saved? No one can, thus none can save themselves and no one can do any amount of good deeds to work for their salvation. Christ alone, God Incarnate was and is perfect. This is why Christ died for He alone was perfect and in Him the Believer rests their salvation. Therefore when God looks at the Believer He does not see their imperfection but rather Christs Perfection for He is our Advocate. Yet in my daily life I am a sinner, in a practical manner but perfect IN Christ in a positional manner.
So it is then asked, "What can I do to be saved?" The answer is, "Believe upon the name of Christ Jesus" Works are what the Believer does IN Christ so as to be a witness of their salvation and changed life for again Scripture states....."If a man be in Christ they are a new creation, all things of old have passed away, behold new things come"
I'm sure this will only stir more questions which is fine. I'm trying to give the most concise reply as possible in this limited format.
Originally posted by Austin9599945
yes more questions indeed.
but you've said it in a way that makes better sense then Ive heard before from others.
the way YOU said it makes the good deeds situation make sense...
but what if there were no rankings in heaven?you're in and you're in.
therefore no ones BETTER deeds show.
I kinda just made a pro christian argument in my head...if deeds were the case then people would omly be good just so they could be in heaven.
well...thats sorta true.
But I think if it were based on deeds alone the world would be better off..possibly...
But I think the belief in scripture is kinda the same way.For example...WHY are you religious?
I dont think its because you love God that much...I dont think you're a christian BECAUSE you love Him,that stems off later....I think it STARTS with the fear hell...(im sure im wrong...but eh..just hear me out)
But alot of them wont admit it for fear of being accused of "only believing it out of fear"
regardless..its STARTING to make more sense...but some things still stump me.
Theres sooooo many religions the whole "what if im wrong" situation always pops into my head.
I just wish the first commandment was "thy shall not travel faster then light"
man i'd so be religious.
Originally posted by AshleyD
But I'm going to preempt your 99.9% extinctions vs. new species from an evolutionists point of view. I get emails from them daily and know how they think. Envy me. They'll simply say these newly discovered species are nothing more than evolution popping up new species in our own time.
The point of evolution is that things don't just "pop up". Plus, when the world is 3/4 ocean we're bound to be discovering new species every now and then.
I always wonder... haven't Christians ever thought that maybe God's plan was to have things evolve? Is that such a terrible thought. After all, in alot of ways we're just an experiment to him/her/them/it, right? When a scientist wants to see how a bacteria grows they throw it in a petri dish and see what happens next. I think Earth is the petri dish, and we're the bacteria.
Originally posted by HannahSolo
The point of evolution is that things don't just "pop up".
Plus, when the world is 3/4 ocean we're bound to be discovering new species every now and then.
I always wonder... haven't Christians ever thought that maybe God's plan was to have things evolve? Is that such a terrible thought.
Originally posted by Methuselah
I just wanted to provide from a different point of view, and answer to the OP of this thread. d
this world is imperfect because of Mans sin, not just because Adam sinned, but because man continues to grow more self-centered and further from God.
if you read the bible it explains why we have suffering in the world and death.
God made a perfect world and man wrecked it. Its not Gods fault, thats like getting in a car accident and asking the dealership why the built a smashed car. its crazy.
this is my view.
Originally posted by LDragonFire
Originally posted by Methuselah
I just wanted to provide from a different point of view, and answer to the OP of this thread. d
this world is imperfect because of Mans sin, not just because Adam sinned, but because man continues to grow more self-centered and further from God.
if you read the bible it explains why we have suffering in the world and death.
God made a perfect world and man wrecked it. Its not Gods fault, thats like getting in a car accident and asking the dealership why the built a smashed car. its crazy.
this is my view.
Incorrect, most species went extinct before humans were here. So what you say is impossible.