I Am Not An Anarchist, Nor A Traitor To My Country...

You know, I haven't been on here in quite a while so I thought I'd post something interesting. In the not too distant past, like maybe six months into last year, I was having a discussion with a man I work with, and he expressed the opinion to Me, that one of the reasons he liked Me, was that I was an anarchist like him. Now, I have to admit, I was totally floored by his comment.

The reason for this comment from him really never struck Me until after he quit. I talk about conspiracies all the time, that would be why I am a conspiracy theorist, this also would be why he made the comment too. This of course would be because this great American country of ours was founded on a conspiracy, by a certain set of gentleman within closed doors, who we affectionately call..."The Founding Fathers" of our Nation with the Declaration of Independance, and anyone who has researched their History knows that the "Founding Fathers" being a majority of Mason's had meetings before they ever crossed over to America.

You know, I have made some pretty sound statements on here, along with some very bold comments. The same comments I repeat daily to people I generally think understand and also generally agree also with Me, or have expressed the same opinions over and over. Yes, I disagree with the current Administration's handling of the Iraq War, and or the upcoming "War In Iran", and if anyone here has read anything I have typed out on this computer through My tenure here has seen that I express Myself, sometimes somewhat boldly too, but I am not an anarchist in any way, shape, or form.

The comments I have made here in print, over the phone where I have known My whole life that "they were listening" to everything I say, and in person have all been general comments, factional comments, thoroughly investigated detailed comments, but in the very end of all of it, they were all left completely 100% open-ended. Meaning here, that I have never once made a complete statement of all of My beliefs, thoughts, and or desires for Myself, let alone this country of Mine.

Do I question authority? Yes. Anyone who doesn't, is a mindless moron, like the "gentleman" that made the comment to Me that I was an anarchist. You see I know the definition of anarchy. I will spare you the full definition, but the short and sweet version is that "anarchy is to overthrow the controlling power and have a total lack of control, and keep it that way." I do not believe in anarchy, as anarchy means that means violence, mass murder, and total war will be ongoing at all times, something I strongly believe against.

When I question George W Bush, or Dick Cheney, or the C.I.A., or the United Nations about their policy, procedure, and protocols about things, it is because I am a man that thinks. I think to question, because without a community that questions its leadership, you become helpless serfs that are merely farming the land for their masters. That's also called "Freedom of Speech", which while we are expressly protected by the United States Constituion. The problem though is that our U.S. Constitution has been bypassed by the "War on Terror" and the new "Terror Laws" that are left open-ended and vague, so they can be interpreted however the ruling heirachy decides, when, where, and how it pleases.

A really good book that I've recently read that you really should consider purchasing, would be "Robert O'Harrow's : No Place To Hide." Robert O'Harrow is a reporter for the Washington Post If you are interested in taking a look at the book and reading the reviews about it yourself, here's a link for you on Amazon.

Robert O'Harrow's : No Place To Hide

People, it's time to wake up. No, this is not a call to arms. The revolution will not be televised, as a matter of fact it's already begun, and you're not seeing it for whatever reason that may be.



[edit on 14-1-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

Remember what I typed in the last post? Well, I have been exploring the majority of the topics I have posted and a large percentage of the stuff other people post here on ATS My entire life. In the last five years alone, I have read countless books on these subjects, which were written by credible authors, with extensive knowledge theirselves, let alone what I have figured out through investigative research.

Here's a some examples :

James Bamford : Former Washignton Investigative Producer for World News Tonight : Body of Secrets : Anatomy of the Ultra Secret National Security Agency

That book alone spells out the N.S.A.'s role in electronic surveillance, and it is a very good book to read. I loved it. The American people deserve to know where their tax money is being spent at all times, for all reasons, and how to find that information.

Robert Ellis Smith : Our Vanishing Privacy : A Book About Privacy

This book is older yet it still spells out the privacy that we are slowly losing on a daily basis.

Confr onting The Enemy Within : Security Intelligence, the Police, and Counterterrorism In Four Democracies

This book talk about the role of four democracies other than the United States of America and their roles in counterterrorism. This would be the United Kingdom, France, Canada, and Australia.

Ni cholas Eftimiades : Chinese Intelligence Operations

This book spells out how Chinese Intelligence Operations are enacted through college students who are recruited by the People's Republic of China to observe and report on American activity. It is very informative, and will make you think twice about talking to a Chinese student. No, that is not a racist remark in the least. I am saying that spies are everywhere, and this book spells out that fact very clearly.

These four books are very informative to let you know fact from fiction, but of course they are not alone in what you might consider reading to overcome your curiosity. I've delved into countless other books to quench My thirst for knowledge, and I will add others to the list here as I see fit, and when time allows.









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Here are some new books which I haven't read, yet. I will post as many book titles on ATS as I feel relevant and that will show information to anyone who desires it and wants to explore on their own.

Stephen Grey : Amnesty International Ward Winner : Ghost Plane : The True Story of the CIA Rendition and Toture Program

This book is supposed to spell out how the entire Rendition program works and what to expect, if you are ever "detained" overseas by the C.I.A.

Jeremy Schahill : Blackwater : The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army

This one is supposed to be good and spell out how Blackwater was formed. I will thoroughly enjoy this book when I get to it.

Joseph McMoneagle : Memoirs of a Psychic Spy : The Remarkable Life of U,S. Government Remote Viewer 001

I am currently reading another book of James McMoneagle's right now about the actual walkthrough of how to practice Remote Viewing

Lyn Buchanan : The Seventh Sense : The Secrets of Remote Viewing As Told By A "Psychic Spy" For The U.S. Military

This book looks eye-opening and is sure to be informational.

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
I will spare you the full definition, but the short and sweet version is that "anarchy is to overthrow the controlling power and have a total lack of control, and keep it that way." I do not believe in anarchy, as anarchy means that means violence, mass murder, and total war will be ongoing at all times, something I strongly believe against.

This is a common misconception. Anarchy does not equal violence or mass murder. Sure there have been a few bad apples in history that have resorted to violence or murder, some of them have turned out to be undercover members of the state who infiltrated anarchist groups or gatherings, but most anarchists are strongly opposed to acts of violence and war. The dictionary definition of anarchy will suggest that is chaos (which I believe is an opinion not a fact), when really the goal of anarchy is order and organization. The Spanish anarchists of 1936 were getting along just fine until they were violently attacked and wiped out by the Republican Government, which resulted in a 40 year dictatorship by Franco.

Thanks for the comment. I will have to look it up and explore the meaning in several areas to find My own definition, or the best version I can from multiple sources, like I do everywhere else. I am trying to keep this thread going, so look for more post's in the future.

[edit on 20-1-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
Thanks for the comment. I will have to look it up and explore the meaning in several areas to find My own definition, or the best version I can from multiple sources, like I do everywhere else. I am trying to keep this thread going, so look for more post's in the future.

[edit on 20-1-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

Here's some more books that I am either reading or have read.

Rus sell Targ : Limitless Mind : A Guide To Remote Viewing and Transformation of Consciousness

Russell Targ is a Physicist and co-author of several books, including Miracle of Mind and The Heart of the Mind.

John Stockwell : The Praetorian Guard : The U.S.Role in the New World Order

I haven't read this one yet, and since I have figured out that the "New World Order" never really existed, but was a game of "Chinese Whispers" to be let loose on the American population in order to get everyone whispering what they would do to overthrow the NWO, and then "they" could listen to you and Me and figure out how to tighten the leash even tighter around our collective necks, I'm not certain what I will think of the book, but I sure I will still enjoy it for the facts I can delve into in it.

The quote on "Chinese Whispers" is from Wikipedia, in case anyone wants to know before clicking through the link.

[edit on 23-1-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

I am currently reading another book of James McMoneagle's right now about the actual walkthrough of how to practice Remote Viewing

What is the title? I'm interested in looking into it.
If you can, please U2U me about it.

Peace

Read "By Way of Deception". I can't remember the author's name but he was an ex-Mossad agent and he talks about Mossad's operations in the 70s and 80s.

SKL, thanks for posting this and all the book references. I'm always looking for books like these to read.
I agree with the above poster's definition of anarchy. Most anarchists I've ever known are non-violent and peaceful. I think it's our govt that has made it a dirty word, much like they've made "liberal" into a dirty word.

Originally posted by Sator

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

I am currently reading another book of James McMoneagle's right now about the actual walkthrough of how to practice Remote Viewing

What is the title? I'm interested in looking into it.
If you can, please U2U me about it.

Peace

Here's the title with link, and thanks for being interested in this thread.

Joseph McMoneagle : Remote Viewing Secrets : A Handbook

I'm currently half-way through this book and so far I love it.

[edit on 23-1-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

Yes, we have an illegal and immoral machine working the USA. How do we stop it? Voting is not working because of the fraud. Protesting falls on deaf ears. Domestic terrorism is just plain wrong.
What do we do to fight this revolution? All I can do is educate the masses.

Originally posted by freelance_zenarchist
The dictionary definition of anarchy will suggest that is chaos (which I believe is an opinion not a fact), when really the goal of anarchy is order and organization.

Absolutely!

The ultimate goal of an anarchist would be a society in which every adult person was able to completely self-govern themselves without any need, whatsoever, for laws to tell them what they could and could not do.

To be without law does NOT = lawlessness!

If you look at the origin of the word, it is from the Greek word anarkhos, which simply means: without a ruler.

A VERY unpleasant idea to the current government because it would mean their jobs would no longer even exist...and they'd have to get REAL jobs as well as live AMONGST the people instead of on our backs.

Originally posted by earthman4
Yes, we have an illegal and immoral machine working the USA. How do we stop it? Voting is not working because of the fraud. Protesting falls on deaf ears. Domestic terrorism is just plain wrong.
What do we do to fight this revolution? All I can do is educate the masses.

Unfortuanately, you are correct. Sooner or later, a peaceful protest will be seen as a "terrorist incident" where the Military or Law Enforcement opens fire on a crowd of peaceful protesters. If you doubt that, take a look at the movie "V for Vendetta" as an example. The only difference was that was in Britain and we live in the U.S.

As for educating the masses, good luck with that. Unless you own a TV station or newspaper, it won't go far. As for posting on here, sooner or later, "they" will link this to supporting Al Quaeda. Then you will go to jail or a Political Prison like Guantanamo Bay.

Originally posted by queenannie38

Originally posted by freelance_zenarchist
The dictionary definition of anarchy will suggest that is chaos (which I believe is an opinion not a fact), when really the goal of anarchy is order and organization.

Absolutely!

The ultimate goal of an anarchist would be a society in which every adult person was able to completely self-govern themselves without any need, whatsoever, for laws to tell them what they could and could not do.

To be without law does NOT = lawlessness!

If you look at the origin of the word, it is from the Greek word anarkhos, which simply means: without a ruler.

A VERY unpleasant idea to the current government because it would mean their jobs would no longer even exist...and they'd have to get REAL jobs as well as live AMONGST the people instead of on our backs.

See, this is where I differ about who and what I am, like I stated in the original post. I am not looking to overthrow the government, or be without a leader. I want a leader, who will be honest, and not take kickbacks from "Big Money" like the automobile industry, or the "legal bribes" of the lobbyists, etc, etc. I want a leader, who does not think he or she is King of the Known Universe.

So sorry, we had a King once, his name was George, and we as a nation had a Tea Party in protest, along with a Declaration of Independance, and a Revolutionary War to get rid of him.

reply to post by freelance_zenarchist


My Personal Opinion

That is not a misconception of anarchy at all, in my opinion it is you that has the misconception my friend.

If you advocate any control by anybody or anything or you belong to a group that organizes itself for any cause whatsoever then you are not an anarchist.

Of course if you practiced real anarchy you would have to break the rules a bit and form an army to protect the country and to make sure nobody tried to get control like warlords or politicians or tribal elders etc.

Now I enjoy working toilets and streets and electrical power so I do not advocate Anarchy by any means and rather enjoy the way things are now.

But lets let get socialism mixed up with anarchy now.

and thats my personal opinion

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
See, this is where I differ about who and what I am, like I stated in the original post. I am not looking to overthrow the government, or be without a leader. I want a leader, who will be honest, and not take kickbacks from "Big Money" like the automobile industry, or the "legal bribes" of the lobbyists, etc, etc. I want a leader, who does not think he or she is King of the Known Universe.

THAT is the difference between 'ruler' and 'leader.'

We need leadership; but instead, these days, it is more like being ruled over.

if your looking for a perfect leader you would be describing Plato's philosopher kings, supposedly totally moral humans who live only to serve the polis or community, they cant be tied to material possessions, and have a higher understanding of whats good for everyone,

like Buddha or (supposedly) jesus, or even jedi (lol i just thought of that now)

although this type of leader is good, hes not my type, i like the ones who can exact total control over his people, it is a way of proving he is more meant to be alive than anyone else, i respect this type of leader the most.

Originally posted by tankthinker
if your looking for a perfect leader you would be describing Plato's philosopher kings, supposedly totally moral humans who live only to serve the polis or community, they cant be tied to material possessions, and have a higher understanding of whats good for everyone,

like Buddha or (supposedly) jesus, or even jedi (lol i just thought of that now)

although this type of leader is good, hes not my type, i like the ones who can exact total control over his people, it is a way of proving he is more meant to be alive than anyone else, i respect this type of leader the most.

By your description here, it sounds like you advocate for the "God-King" type, which usually ends up being like Manuel Noriega, Saddam Hussein, or Caeser. This is generally the thinking of a madman, who believes the people need to worship the very fact that he or she was born, and that they never make mistakes.

Sorry, I don't go for the despotic overlord type. I just want a President who is not a crook nor a bully. Looks like that will never happen though.

Just for clarification, here's the definition of ANARCHY & ANARCHY



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i dont think im a madman, its just that a person who can rise to the ranks of a leader or king, and achieve a good system of control, that can trick or make the populace into believing they are the supreme ruler, deserves my respect,

this is also why i dont respect rulers who achieve the leadership through blood, i think there should be a test of their worth

the rulers now for example achieve their positions through cunning and deception which i admire greatly, therefore they deserve it.

really its about my perspective, survival of the fittest, just because we live in concrete jungle doesnt mean it doesnt apply

those too stupid to not know they are being controlled, dont deserve freedom,

and those unwilling to fight for their ultimate goal or survival should just die

[edit on 23-1-2008 by tankthinker]

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
You see I know the definition of anarchy. I will spare you the full definition, but the short and sweet version is that "anarchy is to overthrow the controlling power and have a total lack of control, and keep it that way." I do not believe in anarchy, as anarchy means that means violence, mass murder, and total war will be ongoing at all times, something I strongly believe against.

Well mate hate to burst ya bubble but you are a little miss-informed. You should really do some reading.

The link in my sig 'What would a Libertarian Socialist (anarchism) Society look like' would be a good start.

I am also against violence of any kind and I am anti-war, that is why I see government as an unnecessary evil. When was the last time your neighbours invaded another country? Governments create war and violence daily in order to control you. Governments create war and violence not people... But it's the people who suffer, on both sides. No one wins, the violence just continues perpetuated by the very system you support.

You are confusing the word Anarchy with Chaos. You have been conditioned by the establishment to believe that without their power and control we would all turn violent and kill each other. That's a load of crap and history proves this.

flag.blackened.net...

Do some reading and you'll see, as apposed to what the establishment wants you to believe, Anarchism is not a system without law or order. It is a system where you govern your own and your neighbourhoods lives without overbearing authority from an establishment that is so far removed from your life that it has no idea or care about what your needs are.