Originally posted by XyZeR
Wow i never thought i would get this much reaction with this thread. It's obvious that for the most part intelligent people can see the difference
between regular christians and extremists. Yet judging from some of the reactions, a lot of the posters feel attacked for some reason....
I never meant to attack anyone with this thread, i made it to point out, that certain elements within the "cristian" movement are (becoming)
extremist, which is always dangerous.
Dismissing evolution is dangerous.
Just read some of these I have found.
"From: "Andrew Boyle"
To: "Positive Atheism"
Subject: Are There Values In Religion That We, As Atheists, Are Missing? Date: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:02 PM
Even today, religion impedes the advance of science and the betterment of the human race. Genetic experiments on human beings have been outlawed for
"ethical" (read moral) considerations.
"The right thinking and intelligent people of the Earth must no longer tolerate the Tyranny of the religious! To regard religion as a harmless
eccentricity is a deadly error of the first order: Religion is a world plague! It is the mental retardation of the human race: a tumor in the brain of
humanity, a tumor which must be excised!
It is the duty of the enlightened to mercilessly attack the benighted enemy
Religion in All its Forms must Be Destroyed!
Hey you want to use our constitutions separation of church and state then destroy freedom fo religious choice? Sounds like atheism has there militant
extemist insane nut cases as well.
"From: "Fred Hermon"
To: "Positive Atheism"
Date: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 10:45 AM
I'm 55 years old. If someday I'm on my death bed and fundies approach me I intend to have an aluminum baseball bat under the sheets with which to
beat the living crap out of them!"
Ill make sure I bring a gun in the cut out pages of my bible,
To: "Positive Atheism"
Subject: Re: Coping with Christmas --
Date: Saturday, December 02, 2000 12:51 PM
I personally don't observe any holidays but I don't see why atheists cannot "hijack" Christmas/Yule from those who hijacked it from the pagans.
Instead of it being a day to celebrate religious convictions we can observe the holiday as a day of recognition of people's belief in non-existent
beings or patently absurd ideas. We could keep Santa Claus as our icon/mascot (or perhaps put bigfoot in a santa hat) and come up with our own carols
and stories ("The twelve days of Roswell" or "Deck the halls -- then deck Pat Robertson" -- you get the idea)."
I always thougt there was an agenda like this going on. So far you atheist really have proven beyond any doubt that what we always said you lack in
morality is true.
"Christianity has a long history of violence, oppression, and imperialism. Are we supposed to believe that those kinds of activities will
suddenly stop? I have been moving further away from the classic "live and let live" attitude and closer toward a "Let's extinguish the scourge of
religion from the face of the planet -- we'll all be better off." But these are two extremes within a very wide range.
I am finding it harder and harder to politely listen to people spout off about God, being blessed, etc. I am more frequently challenging people (as
part of casual dialog, as friendly as possible) on their beliefs. We all know that the theistic standpoint is not defensible, and it crumbles rather
quickly in the face of reason. That's why there's so much talk about faith. That's why it must be constantly reaffirmed. However, people seem
singularly unwilling to relinquish this security blanket. That's really up to them, but I believe theological forces play a sinister role in society,
and serve only to restrict society's growth.
Atheistic societys have had extremely more bloody history under pol pot , stalin, and hitler. and so far all I have seen of you atheists is the same
"exterminate the christian" for reasons from, you just can't stand someone sayin bless you when you sneeze to calling us all child abusers because
we force religion on our children which you say retards society.
I would think evolution would eliminate this negative on its own but then again I see you Atheists want to do genetic experiments on humans. What
another aryan race?
Atheists jeeez they are absolutlely the enemy of Christians from what I can tell and I think it's time Chritians got serious about how they deal with
them. I know children of Atheist parents and my kids run circles around them in Math and Science and they go to Church while the atheists kids are
watching video games and doing dope across the street with the 16 year old pregnant.
When they can show me they do a better job THEN they can say they got a better way but so far all I have seen are a bunch of self proclaimed
intellectually superior legends in there own minds acting as vitriolic as they can. It says a lot more about you then any of those kids posts you are
portraying as Christians say about them.
here is one I found hilariously ironic
If there was a god who would protect me, my loved ones, and everyone else on earth, that would be marvelous. I'd love to see an end to the news
stories in the paper and on tv about people who've been murdered or killed in accidents or by diseases. That would all certainly stop if my pretend
god existed. And then no one would have to cry when someone died because we would all know that that person was going to heaven -- no loving god would
send his/her children to fry ... the children would be forgiven no matter what and end up in heaven
So much for atheist wanting to think on there own. Just have God and the people in some kind of shot gun wedding where they are all good because god
makes em that way. They talk about Christians and self aggrandizment but when it comes to a GOD it seems they "wish there was one"
Honey that is what Faith is all about. So Keep wishin lol
I think it is too much for us to comprehend about god or life after death or anything of the sort. Who really knows what is real and what isn't. For
all we know we could be someone's dream or someone's science project. I mean are we really real? Think about it. What if everything you believed in
was false? It is really hard for me to think about your question because I don't know what to believe and I don't know. I hear so many different
stories and some make sense and some don't. I believe a lot of religious beliefs are false such as the rapture and # like that. I mean if there was a
god and people that weren't saved would be damned to an eternity of hell and not be allowed into heaven wouldn't that make the devil more powerful
than god? I mean 99 percent of the world wouldn't go to heaven or when the saved people were suppose to fly away when the rapture came about there
would be a hell of a lot more people on earth than in heaven. I mean so much about religion doesn't make sense. I prefer to look at everything from a
more open mind and not so close-minded as most religions and their beliefs. What is god really and what is religion? Also I this world is really
horrible in certain ways such as poverty and murder and all sorts of sins. Since god is suppose to know everything why would he create and let us
corrupt ourselves and why would he create the world and everything in it by destroying his creation with damning most people to hell and stuff like
that. I don't know what to believe anymore and god just doesn't seem real to me anymore like he use to because it seems that my prayers are never
answered and religious beliefs just don't make sense. Especially ones that tell you how to eat and to dress and crazy stuff like that. Religion is
not suppose to be like a dictatorship.
I mean are we really real?"
Yeah your prayers USED to be answered but you hang around Atheists and now you miss God?? He misses you to Jessica but he ain't going to force you.
What a shame she got caught up in this. They already have her blaming god for what humans do at the same time they are indoctrinating her into
believing there is no god.
I notice that a lot about Atheists, lots of double standards they call on us Christians but they are just like everyone else, just like you and me
This is really what we (humankind) has done, isn't it? If I now had a choice about it I would much prefer not to have any (God). I would , I am sure,
find myself in endless arguments with Him over His decisions, and would constantly be asking "Now why did You do that?" I am not good at just
surrendering my own judgement to saying "I guess I just can't fathom your ways, but it must be okay because you're God! I haven't even learned to
do that with my wife. I only see it making my life more complex and unhappy. "
They just can't handle anyone knowing more then they do or judging them. Makes sense too when they are so offended by Christianity what it stands
for. really quite sad.
Here is another
"I always want to answer your questions but I never have been good at putting my thoughts onto paper -- but for this one I think it deserves
at least a try.
I cannot imagine anything better than our world. We may have troubles and we have no one but ourselves to blame but on the other side of the coin --
we have a world and a universe so wide and full that we can appreciate and marvel at. It is world where we have the power to wonder and explore: our
minds, each other's minds, the universe. There are no answers unless we believe them, we find them. I would say that having a God would only make our
lives less exciting, unanswerable questions would be automatically answered -- "It is God's will, God created it." We would no longer search for
the beauty that is in each atom, each relationship. We are not a species that should be led like lambs in a herd. The greatest thing about an
unanswered question, a puzzling prospect is that we hold the power of curiosity, the power to ponder and dig deeper to find the truth. I think that a
world where a God would exist would take this away. We would lose what makes us human."
Interesting,, Atheists NEED to make life complicated or it isn't interesting to them so this was this persons reasoning is they want to do it there
way because it's harder and resists such ideas of creation for they desire a universe with no answers except for the ones they believe in then find
believe what they want to believe while we have faith in something hard to believe
"March 14, 2002
Yes. If there was a god this world would be an infinitely better place. A personal god who cared for His or Her creation would be too wonderful to
imagine: no war, famine, or disease. Imagine that!
Imagine a god who existed and did not hide Itself from us?
Of course I would reject any god who threatens people with eternal pain and torture.
You rejected the very God you talk about Gregory but it's nice to see atheists yearn for such things. How about a GOD that could do all you ask in a
place where there is no war no famine or disease and all you have to do is come as a child have faith and believe.
This one makes me wonder if Atheists even know what they believe at all
"From: "Positive Atheism"
Subject: Re: WebMaster:_Positive_Atheism_Index
Date: Sunday, December 12, 1999 12:06 PM
Please remember that an atheist does not necessarily state "There is no God." The traditional definition for "atheist" is one who lacks a
god-belief (for whatever reason). In this sense, if one is not a theist, he or she is an atheist.
You can see this view defended quite handsomely in George H. Smith's article, "Defining Atheism." and I suggest that you at least puruse this piece
and its companion so that you don't fall into the trap that many theists (and agnostics) do in defining atheism as the positive belief that no gods
mmmmmm Guess they don't know either way then depending on which one you talk to but one thing is for sure..
They are no less mixed up screwed up, no better, no more intelligent then any other sinner or any other immoral person.
"Somehow, we need a humanist community churchoid organization if the movement is ever going to grow. I think growth and the promotion of
atheist identification, that is, having people who would be willing and happy to say they belong to such and such a humanist organization because it
is doing something they enjoy, is a worthwhile goal and one of the best ways to undermine church and Christian influence"
Jeez you guys are determined to become another religion whether you have a god or not.
[edit on 15-1-2008 by Conspiriology]