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reply posted on 14-1-2008 @ 11:04 PM by Incarnated
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A great bulk of "Christians" are some of the stupidest beings on the face of the earth.
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reply posted on 14-1-2008 @ 11:05 PM by Legalizer
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 12:13 AM by Azador
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Some of this is seriously scary
A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However he should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and
damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however does not count as one of his four permanent
wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister.

How the hell can any group or even internet forum condone or even entertain this person??
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 12:23 AM by AncientVoid
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I'm not that surprised about those quotes anymore especially after i've join ATS. This stuff is all around ATS. The sad thing is they don't even
know they're doing it.
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 12:35 AM by jimmyjackblack
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LOL, oh man, that's was quite a funny and disturbing read there.
Apparently all these people are from Branson Missouri (speaking from my own encounter with such folks). It's a sad thing this, Main Stream
Christianity. I wish there were real Christians to the truest since of the word, people who put on the characteristics of Yeshua.
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 12:45 AM by sizzle
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Originally posted by ShiftTrio
LOL. there is some funny stuff there.
But we should point out for all the people with Anti Christian agendas (not saying anyone here but..) People like to use these articles to speak for
all Christians, when in fact I would bet 90% of Christians believe in evolution and think these people are loons. Even the priests growing up believed
in evolution.
So please do not say Christians think this, just a very small percentage of disturbed ignorant people who use good teachings to further a bad
agenda.

May I say that your statement is one of the most fair and mature that I have read here? Ya know, I don't particularly care for the idiotic remarks
that came from that website either. But I see no need to brand all of Christianity because of it. I go out of my way not to say anything hurtful to
atheists, agnostics, or pagans, etc. I may not agree with you, but I would never make fun of you or make crude remarks, nor go searching specific
websites for the sole purpose of holding you up to ridicule.
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 01:03 AM by SteveR
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 Just recently my son Bobby came out to me. I had been worried for awhile. His teachers said most of his grades were slipping and he seemed
depressed and withdrawn.
Bobby said he'd been hiding it for awhile because he was afraid I would reject him. I sat him down and told him that I loved him and that God loved
him, but that his salvation was in danger if he did not resist his unnatural tempations. I told him how being gay would mean he would live a shorter
life, and that if he couldnt change his orientation he could be celibate like most the ex-gays are. He started crying saying something along the lines
of "I knew you wouldnt understand! You're just like everyone else!" before running to his room and slamming the door.
Note:
the boy eventually took his own life.
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 02:00 AM by Comma8Comma1
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I'm sure some of these quotes are merely trolls looking to stir up the jebus pot
but I dug a little on one of the post authors and had myself a pretty good laugh.
It seems God's Warrior, Shelby Corbitt wrote a book titled "2007".
Why 2007? well that's when the RAPTURE is coming.
AND it's ON SALE at Amazon!
www.amazon.com...
Also, here's her new hilarious mess of internet tubes:
www.rapturewatcher.org...
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 02:02 AM by NewWorldOver
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 These were obviously posts made by children. Everyone says stupid things like 'If we were monkeys once why aren't we born as monkeys'.
This is so painfully construed and cherry-picked, like most Christian exposure.
If you think all Christians think or say these things you deserve a good slapping, and that goes without saying.
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 02:05 AM by Legalizer
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Originally posted by Comma8Comma1
I'm sure some of these quotes are merely trolls looking to stir up the jebus pot
but I dug a little on one of the post authors and had myself a pretty good laugh.
It seems God's Warrior, Shelby Corbitt wrote a book titled "2007".
Why 2007? well that's when the RAPTURE is coming.

Yeah I found that one a hoot too. She had a website rapture2007.com, its dead, of course.
But wait, there's more there's rapture2008.com!!!
I wish the rapture would come, it would be the best day ever, except for the fact only 144,000 of the two billion morons would vanish. Less than the
Post Katrina New Orleans population. Bummer, thats simply not enough idiots removed.
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 02:10 AM by Essan
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Flagged and starred
But lets make it clear, we all know that 99% of Christians don't believe any of this rubbish - these comments are just from a small minority of
extremists who in many respects are no different to Muslim extremists (or, indeed, anyone else who follows strict dogmatic fundamentals and refuses to
even countenance any possibility they may be wrong and openly attacks anyone who dares hold a different belief - which of course is not like any of us
on ATS  )
Most Christians (as with most Muslims) are decent, good, kind, considerate, respectful, intelligent people.
But it is worrying that a few people in the modern, supposedly civilised, world do hold such frankly ignorant views. Or maybe I'm just saying that
because apparently I'm really a satan worshipping Muslim.....
 No, everyone is born Christian. Only later in life do people choose to stray from Jesus and worship satan instead. Atheists have the greatest
"cover" of all, they insist they believe in no god yet most polls done and the latest research indicates that they are actually a different sect of
Muslims.
And maybe this one really does sum them all up:
 What does a functioning brain have to do with the Bible?
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 02:12 AM by Comma8Comma1
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Why get so bent out of shape about it?
If people are anti-christian or anti-religion, so what?
Life's too short to drink cheap....no wait...that's something else.
Oh well, life's just too short, get over it.
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 02:15 AM by NewWorldOver
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Originally posted by Legalizer
The christians are really out of their mind, and even if its children posting, its
the parents and the church's fault these kids are so god damned ignorant.

Whatever you say, bro. I can count quite a few posts of yours that are simple-minded, spiteful, prejudiced etc. You would just as soon line all the
Christians up and shoot them because a few misguided children say silly things.
By the way, I've seen more than a handful of 'goddamned idiots' claiming that 'RELIJUN IS A LIE I KNO MY SCIENCEZ I DUNT NEED GODZ TO ROOL ME'.
 It's one thing to claim that religion is stupid, it's another to be a complete idiot yourself.
Like I was saying....
Originally posted by Legalizer
Because all you idiot christians believe the same lame fairy tales and promote them world wide.

 Expand your mind and stop lashing out at people from that little corner of your judgemental existence.
Originally posted by Comma8Comma1
Why get so bent out of shape about it?
If people are anti-christian or anti-religion, so what?
Life's too short to drink cheap....no wait...that's something else.
Oh well, life's just too short, get over it.

Heh, I edited my first post when I realized the thread was a majority of reasonable people speaking out against religious stereotyping. I've just had
my fill of it in so many threads on ATS that I assumed this was another Christian Bash-In. No worries.
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 02:52 AM by FredT
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Ahem
Kindly stay ON topic and cease the personal attacks and sniping. They add nothing to the debate at hand. If your argument is so weak that you have to
resort to this level perhaps its time to go and rethink your position.
Thanks
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 03:09 AM by XyZeR
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Wow i never thought i would get this much reaction with this thread. It's obvious that for the most part intelligent people can see the difference
between regular christians and extremists. Yet judging from some of the reactions, a lot of the posters feel attacked for some reason....
I never meant to attack anyone with this thread, i made it to point out, that certain elements within the "cristian" movement are (becoming)
extremist, which is always dangerous.
Dismissing evolution is dangerous.
For those who replied to this thread stating you "don't "believe " in evolution" I have a suggestion for you guys. Since the (scientific) theory
of evolution is all a load of bull to you, i suggest you never ever see a doctor again, or make use of modern day western medicines, because: a lot of
medicines are made using science, which you guys seem to have for not corresponding with your beliefs.
Modern medicine has its roots in biology, which in it's turn has it roots in: the theory of evolution. So next time you're sick, whether it be a
simple cold or cancer, let your "god" heal you, and don't go to those evil docters ! (because hey, they "believe" in evolution.)
to end my post i would like to repost this brilliant analogy:
I liken the debate to a jigsaw puzzle that does not have its picture on the box.
Science is trying to put it together, while religious dogma is looking over his shoulder.
Dogma feels strongly that the resulting picture will be a unicorn, while Science has speculated a hypothesis based on viewing the individual pieces
that the picture is of a bear.
The more Science puts it together, the more the puzzle begins to look like a bear.
Dogma begins to get more and more upset. "I don't know why you're bothering, it's obviously a unicorn!" he chortles.
Science shrugs, and continues assembling the pieces. The picture begins to look even more like a bear, until it's almost unmistakable.
Every once in a while, Science will have to correct an error and move a piece. Religion shrieks with glee at this. "See?! You put that piece in the
wrong place! Your wishful thinking that it's a bear made you make a mistake! Since you're wrong, I am therefore right, and the picture is of a
unicorn!"
"But what about all the other pieces I did get right? Can't you see by the rest of them it's obviously a bear?" replies Science.
"You just don't want to admit it's a unicorn! Your arrogance is getting in the way!" screams Dogma lividly.
Science just shrugs, and continues with the puzzle.
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Please, those are fanatics and R.I.T.A. (Rapture in the Air) is just another [Protestant?] sect.
Originally posted by ShiftTrio
LOL. there is some funny stuff there.
But we should point out for all the people with Anti Christian agendas (not saying anyone here but..) People like to use these articles to speak
for all Christians, when in fact I would bet 90% of Christians believe in evolution and think these people are loons. Even the priests growing up
believed in evolution.
So please do not say Christians think this, just a very small percentage of disturbed ignorant people who use good teachings to further a bad
agenda.
Thanks for listening! 
You have right and you got star for messege.
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 03:30 AM by Legalizer
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Originally posted by Frontkjemper
Oh gee! Did ya'll hear about that Muslim Terrorist that drove a plane into a tower? Wow, ALL Muslims must be terrorists then! 
Isn't that how the united states has reacted?
Or is the bombing of two muslim countries with depleted uranium just an urban legend?
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 03:36 AM by ForceMaster
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 Most afflictions like this are caused by sins committed while still inside the womb. If she can repent for what she does god will embrace her and
make her as human as you or me but if she chooses not to she'll always be like this
This is what I mean. How in any reality is it possible to committ "sin" while in the womb?! So they are saying here that this all loving god
afflicted this child because she did something IN THE WOMB! A perfect example of how indoctrination also comes with the mental back-up to actually
create a sub-set of beliefs to counter anything that cannot be explained by their belief system. Committing sin in the womb and being punished before
birth is a good example. It is sad to see how imprisioned people can become by their own thoughts.
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 03:43 AM by Vojvoda
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Originally posted by XyZeR
Wow i never thought i would get this much reaction with this thread. It's obvious that for the most part intelligent people can see the difference
between regular christians and extremists. Yet judging from some of the reactions, a lot of the posters feel attacked for some reason.... 
It's not ok to put '=' between those fanatics without brain and say 'that's how Christians believe.' Just because they call themselves
Christians that doesn’t mean they are.
Using such a cheap way to attack Christianity shows lack of respect or you did to intentional.
Originally posted by XyZeR
I never meant to attack anyone with this thread, i made it to point out, that certain elements within the "cristian" movement are (becoming)
extremist, which is always dangerous.
Dismissing evolution is dangerous. 
Yes you have right, but you did the opposite.
Originally posted by XyZeR
For those who replied to this thread stating you "don't "believe " in evolution" I have a suggestion for you guys. Since the (scientific) theory
of evolution is all a load of bull to you, i suggest you never ever see a doctor again, or make use of modern day western medicines, because: a lot of
medicines are made using science, which you guys seem to have for not corresponding with your beliefs.
Modern medicine has its roots in biology, which in it's turn has it roots in: the theory of evolution. So next time you're sick, whether it be a
simple cold or cancer, let your "god" heal you, and don't go to those evil docters ! (because hey, they "believe" in evolution.) 
I don't see difference between some fanatical creationists and you.  The world is not black-white, and you posted like it. You mess up biology
and theory of evolution. Theory of evolution has nothing with discovering medics and healing. Medics and healing are older than theory of evolution
and if doctor believe in evolution that's his personal opinion and has nothing with healing. I mean, I never heard any doctor in hospital/ambulance
who talks about evolution.  Please, don't make yourself as idiot.
Originally posted by XyZeR
to end my post i would like to repost this brilliant analogy:
I liken the debate to a jigsaw puzzle that does not have its picture on the box.
Science is trying to put it together, while religious dogma is looking over his shoulder.
Dogma feels strongly that the resulting picture will be a unicorn, while Science has speculated a hypothesis based on viewing the individual pieces
that the picture is of a bear.
The more Science puts it together, the more the puzzle begins to look like a bear.
Dogma begins to get more and more upset. "I don't know why you're bothering, it's obviously a unicorn!" he chortles.
Science shrugs, and continues assembling the pieces. The picture begins to look even more like a bear, until it's almost unmistakable.
Every once in a while, Science will have to correct an error and move a piece. Religion shrieks with glee at this. "See?! You put that piece in the
wrong place! Your wishful thinking that it's a bear made you make a mistake! Since you're wrong, I am therefore right, and the picture is of a
unicorn!"
"But what about all the other pieces I did get right? Can't you see by the rest of them it's obviously a bear?" replies Science.
"You just don't want to admit it's a unicorn! Your arrogance is getting in the way!" screams Dogma lividly.
Science just shrugs, and continues with the puzzle.

Pure example of not understanding differences between of religion [or in text use Dogma] and science.
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Originally posted by XyZeR
Wow i never thought i would get this much reaction with this thread. It's obvious that for the most part intelligent people can see the difference
between regular christians and extremists. Yet judging from some of the reactions, a lot of the posters feel attacked for some reason....
I never meant to attack anyone with this thread, i made it to point out, that certain elements within the "cristian" movement are (becoming)
extremist, which is always dangerous.
Dismissing evolution is dangerous.

Just read some of these I have found.
 "From: "Andrew Boyle"
To: "Positive Atheism"
Subject: Are There Values In Religion That We, As Atheists, Are Missing? Date: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:02 PM
Even today, religion impedes the advance of science and the betterment of the human race. Genetic experiments on human beings have been outlawed for
"ethical" (read moral) considerations.
"The right thinking and intelligent people of the Earth must no longer tolerate the Tyranny of the religious! To regard religion as a harmless
eccentricity is a deadly error of the first order: Religion is a world plague! It is the mental retardation of the human race: a tumor in the brain of
humanity, a tumor which must be excised!
It is the duty of the enlightened to mercilessly attack the benighted enemy
Religion in All its Forms must Be Destroyed!
www.positiveatheism.org..."
"

Hey you want to use our constitutions separation of church and state then destroy freedom fo religious choice? Sounds like atheism has there militant
extemist insane nut cases as well.
 "From: "Fred Hermon"
To: "Positive Atheism"
Subject:
Date: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 10:45 AM
I'm 55 years old. If someday I'm on my death bed and fundies approach me I intend to have an aluminum baseball bat under the sheets with which to
beat the living crap out of them!"

Ill make sure I bring a gun in the cut out pages of my bible,
 "From:
To: "Positive Atheism"
Subject: Re: Coping with Christmas --
Date: Saturday, December 02, 2000 12:51 PM
I personally don't observe any holidays but I don't see why atheists cannot "hijack" Christmas/Yule from those who hijacked it from the pagans.
Instead of it being a day to celebrate religious convictions we can observe the holiday as a day of recognition of people's belief in non-existent
beings or patently absurd ideas. We could keep Santa Claus as our icon/mascot (or perhaps put bigfoot in a santa hat) and come up with our own carols
and stories ("The twelve days of Roswell" or "Deck the halls -- then deck Pat Robertson" -- you get the idea)."

I always thougt there was an agenda like this going on. So far you atheist really have proven beyond any doubt that what we always said you lack in
morality is true.
 "Christianity has a long history of violence, oppression, and imperialism. Are we supposed to believe that those kinds of activities will
suddenly stop? I have been moving further away from the classic "live and let live" attitude and closer toward a "Let's extinguish the scourge of
religion from the face of the planet -- we'll all be better off." But these are two extremes within a very wide range.
I am finding it harder and harder to politely listen to people spout off about God, being blessed, etc. I am more frequently challenging people (as
part of casual dialog, as friendly as possible) on their beliefs. We all know that the theistic standpoint is not defensible, and it crumbles rather
quickly in the face of reason. That's why there's so much talk about faith. That's why it must be constantly reaffirmed. However, people seem
singularly unwilling to relinquish this security blanket. That's really up to them, but I believe theological forces play a sinister role in society,
and serve only to restrict society's growth.
www.positiveatheism.org..." 
Atheistic societys have had extremely more bloody history under pol pot , stalin, and hitler. and so far all I have seen of you atheists is the same
"exterminate the christian" for reasons from, you just can't stand someone sayin bless you when you sneeze to calling us all child abusers because
we force religion on our children which you say retards society.
I would think evolution would eliminate this negative on its own but then again I see you Atheists want to do genetic experiments on humans. What
another aryan race?
Atheists jeeez they are absolutlely the enemy of Christians from what I can tell and I think it's time Chritians got serious about how they deal with
them. I know children of Atheist parents and my kids run circles around them in Math and Science and they go to Church while the atheists kids are
watching video games and doing dope across the street with the 16 year old pregnant.
When they can show me they do a better job THEN they can say they got a better way but so far all I have seen are a bunch of self proclaimed
intellectually superior legends in there own minds acting as vitriolic as they can. It says a lot more about you then any of those kids posts you are
portraying as Christians say about them.
here is one I found hilariously ironic
 "Mary:
If there was a god who would protect me, my loved ones, and everyone else on earth, that would be marvelous. I'd love to see an end to the news
stories in the paper and on tv about people who've been murdered or killed in accidents or by diseases. That would all certainly stop if my pretend
god existed. And then no one would have to cry when someone died because we would all know that that person was going to heaven -- no loving god would
send his/her children to fry ... the children would be forgiven no matter what and end up in heaven
www.positiveatheism.org..." 
So much for atheist wanting to think on there own. Just have God and the people in some kind of shot gun wedding where they are all good because god
makes em that way. They talk about Christians and self aggrandizment but when it comes to a GOD it seems they "wish there was one"
Honey that is what Faith is all about. So Keep wishin lol
 "Jessica:
I think it is too much for us to comprehend about god or life after death or anything of the sort. Who really knows what is real and what isn't. For
all we know we could be someone's dream or someone's science project. I mean are we really real? Think about it. What if everything you believed in
was false? It is really hard for me to think about your question because I don't know what to believe and I don't know. I hear so many different
stories and some make sense and some don't. I believe a lot of religious beliefs are false such as the rapture and # like that. I mean if there was a
god and people that weren't saved would be damned to an eternity of hell and not be allowed into heaven wouldn't that make the devil more powerful
than god? I mean 99 percent of the world wouldn't go to heaven or when the saved people were suppose to fly away when the rapture came about there
would be a hell of a lot more people on earth than in heaven. I mean so much about religion doesn't make sense. I prefer to look at everything from a
more open mind and not so close-minded as most religions and their beliefs. What is god really and what is religion? Also I this world is really
horrible in certain ways such as poverty and murder and all sorts of sins. Since god is suppose to know everything why would he create and let us
corrupt ourselves and why would he create the world and everything in it by destroying his creation with damning most people to hell and stuff like
that. I don't know what to believe anymore and god just doesn't seem real to me anymore like he use to because it seems that my prayers are never
answered and religious beliefs just don't make sense. Especially ones that tell you how to eat and to dress and crazy stuff like that. Religion is
not suppose to be like a dictatorship.
I mean are we really real?" 
Yeah your prayers USED to be answered but you hang around Atheists and now you miss God?? He misses you to Jessica but he ain't going to force you.
What a shame she got caught up in this. They already have her blaming god for what humans do at the same time they are indoctrinating her into
believing there is no god.
I notice that a lot about Atheists, lots of double standards they call on us Christians but they are just like everyone else, just like you and me
 "Ted:
This is really what we (humankind) has done, isn't it? If I now had a choice about it I would much prefer not to have any (God). I would , I am sure,
find myself in endless arguments with Him over His decisions, and would constantly be asking "Now why did You do that?" I am not good at just
surrendering my own judgement to saying "I guess I just can't fathom your ways, but it must be okay because you're God! I haven't even learned to
do that with my wife. I only see it making my life more complex and unhappy. " 
They just can't handle anyone knowing more then they do or judging them. Makes sense too when they are so offended by Christianity what it stands
for. really quite sad.
Here is another
 "I always want to answer your questions but I never have been good at putting my thoughts onto paper -- but for this one I think it deserves
at least a try.
I cannot imagine anything better than our world. We may have troubles and we have no one but ourselves to blame but on the other side of the coin --
we have a world and a universe so wide and full that we can appreciate and marvel at. It is world where we have the power to wonder and explore: our
minds, each other's minds, the universe. There are no answers unless we believe them, we find them. I would say that having a God would only make our
lives less exciting, unanswerable questions would be automatically answered -- "It is God's will, God created it." We would no longer search for
the beauty that is in each atom, each relationship. We are not a species that should be led like lambs in a herd. The greatest thing about an
unanswered question, a puzzling prospect is that we hold the power of curiosity, the power to ponder and dig deeper to find the truth. I think that a
world where a God would exist would take this away. We would lose what makes us human." 
Interesting,, Atheists NEED to make life complicated or it isn't interesting to them so this was this persons reasoning is they want to do it there
way because it's harder and resists such ideas of creation for they desire a universe with no answers except for the ones they believe in then find
them.
believe what they want to believe while we have faith in something hard to believe
 "March 14, 2002
Yes. If there was a god this world would be an infinitely better place. A personal god who cared for His or Her creation would be too wonderful to
imagine: no war, famine, or disease. Imagine that!
Imagine a god who existed and did not hide Itself from us?
Of course I would reject any god who threatens people with eternal pain and torture.
Gregory 
You rejected the very God you talk about Gregory but it's nice to see atheists yearn for such things. How about a GOD that could do all you ask in a
place where there is no war no famine or disease and all you have to do is come as a child have faith and believe.
This one makes me wonder if Atheists even know what they believe at all
 "From: "Positive Atheism"
To:
Subject: Re: WebMaster:_Positive_Atheism_Index
Date: Sunday, December 12, 1999 12:06 PM
Please remember that an atheist does not necessarily state "There is no God." The traditional definition for "atheist" is one who lacks a
god-belief (for whatever reason). In this sense, if one is not a theist, he or she is an atheist.
You can see this view defended quite handsomely in George H. Smith's article, "Defining Atheism." and I suggest that you at least puruse this piece
and its companion so that you don't fall into the trap that many theists (and agnostics) do in defining atheism as the positive belief that no gods
exist. "

mmmmmm Guess they don't know either way then depending on which one you talk to but one thing is for sure..
They are no less mixed up screwed up, no better, no more intelligent then any other sinner or any other immoral person.
 "Somehow, we need a humanist community churchoid organization if the movement is ever going to grow. I think growth and the promotion of
atheist identification, that is, having people who would be willing and happy to say they belong to such and such a humanist organization because it
is doing something they enjoy, is a worthwhile goal and one of the best ways to undermine church and Christian influence" 
Jeez you guys are determined to become another religion whether you have a god or not.
- Con
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