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reply posted on 14-1-2008 @ 06:29 PM by Canada_EH
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Well it can't be a B-2 due for the Air Show circuit as the schedule is usually posted till april and it end in September.
www.schultzairshows.com...
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reply posted on 14-1-2008 @ 09:43 PM by SoLaR513
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reply posted on 14-1-2008 @ 10:57 PM by jpm1602
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Yep Solar, that is precisely what I saw too. I'll tell you what, it wasn't going no 500mph either. Which, if you think about it, who's building a
billion dollar bomber that could be overtaken by a 747 or a MIG for shootdown?
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reply posted on 14-1-2008 @ 11:29 PM by Reverie Planetarian
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MAVERICK!
...well, I couldn't resist. Someone at the USAF's gonna have their ass chewed if this kinda behavior wasn't part of an airshow.
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reply posted on 14-1-2008 @ 11:45 PM by SoLaR513
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If it was an air show id want my money back because it was a one plane show. As for their speed the thing is a flying wing, you cant convince me it
cant haul @$$ and I know the things can manuever like crazy because I saw it with my own eyes. I know I cant prove it but Im telling you that plane
was doing a simulated bomb run flying low under the radar for a strategic hit and then climbing above radar to make its get away. It all but screamed
it.
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 01:03 AM by kameuh
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Cool experience Solar. Most likely just a Pilot messing around, or honing his skill a little.
Know I've had a similar experience. 3 Apaches sprung up over the tree tops and hovered right over a group of us camping out in a State Park. If we
were bad guys we would have been toast. Freaked us out to be sure, but we had a good story to tell.
Thanks for sharing your experience as thats the first time I've thought about that in years.
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 01:25 AM by greeneyedleo
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Sounds like a pretty cool sighting!!
Maybe it had been at Arnold AFB (TN) and was flying around. Thats where you said you are, right - Tennessee?
Here are some articles about the B2 at Arnold:
dodsearch.afis.osd.mil...
d&site=Arnold
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 01:42 AM by C0bzz
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Sorry, but you can't just 'fly below radar', do a 'bomb run', then 'fly above radar'.  That makes no sence. And B-2 isn't even designed
to do low 'bomb runs'. It's a relic of the cold war.
Imagine dropping a nuke while low enough to hit the enemies CB antenna.
 Ive given some thought about It being suggested I had called the FAA. What would that have accomplished? This was a STEALTH bomber. 
Take a guess why the FAA would know about a military exercise.
 Yep Solar, that is precisely what I saw too. I'll tell you what, it wasn't going no 500mph either. Which, if you think about it, who's
building a billion dollar bomber that could be overtaken by a 747 or a MIG for shootdown? 
If the B-2 can go much faster than 500mph it still sure can't go faster than sound.
Now away with the debunking:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 05:33 AM by thebozeian
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Originally posted by jpm1602
Very strange indeed. I know my experience with the B-2 when Cleveland OH went to alert status red after unknown objects were reporting buzzing our two
nuke plants (03?) reported by wtam radio it made the earth shake and air in my lungs quake. Like a 14k $ base system in some rod. 
Why would a B-2 be sent up to intercept an unknown object(s) buzzing a nuke plant whilst your state was on a (presumably) homeland security red alert
status, when it is clearly a bomber and not a fighter or interceptor? Why are you so sure that a B-2 was even there for that purpose, or can you even
be sure it was a B-2 and not an F-22, or maybe at a stretch an F-117? This seems an extremely odd use for a Spirit. You do realise that a B-2 has
effectively no A2A capabillity to speak of in order to intercept an unknown aerial object buzzing the local nuclear plant? If your sole reference for
ID was the local radio station I would point out the average DJ chump wouldn't know a B-2 from a B-29.
LEE.
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 06:09 AM by thebozeian
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SoLaR513,
The most likely explanation here is not that the building you were near was being targeted in a simulated bombing run, but that it was being used as a
navigation waypoint. A B-2 simply does not need to fly over the top or even relatively near to an intended target in order to hit it, real or
simulated. As for the apparent speed and manouverability, if it was at such a low altitude you could quote, "hit it with a rock" it would certainly
appear faster and more manouverable than if it were at say five thousand feet performing the same manouvres. As a flying wing it is most certainly
more limited in several planes of movement compared with a conventional planform (roll for example), but then nobody said just because it's a bomber
it was meant to be a wallowing duck either did they?
And as for the lack of initial sound observation, nothing new here and for several reasons. First local atmospheric conditions and topography can and
regularly does mask and delay the sound of the aircraft for several seconds, particularly if the wind was blowing away from your position. Second the
B-2 is fitted with non afterburning F-118 turbofans (derivatives of the F-110 fitted to the F-16/F-15 fleet) that are quieter and deeply buried in the
airframe, and the exhausts are designed to be masked by the trailing edge from the ground. The fact that you report that there was plenty of noise
once it had passed and was flying away from you lends weight to this. It's also a fair bet that the design engineers were encouraged to deflect and
reduce the audible footprint of the aircraft to further aid it in remaining undetected.
So I don't think there is anything ominous here just a rather unusual but thrilling thing to see.
LEE.
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 06:48 AM by Oldtimer2
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Approximately 3 months ago,we had 4 of them doing manuevers for about an hour,they were flying pretty low,was kind of spooky at 1st,but fun to watch
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 10:00 AM by SoLaR513
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Thats correct Im in TN. Unfortunately your link seems busted could you repost it? Thanks a mill!
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 10:08 AM by SoLaR513
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Your all correct it was pretty dang cool too see! You should have seen me come home and tell my wife. I looked like a kid who was going to pee his
pants. The thing is that Ive been seeing conspiracies everywhere so I had to wonder what it was really doing. As for the over and under redar thing I
was merely suggesting thats what it appeared to be doing. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT WAS DOING! Thats why I posted it here. As for the speed thing, It
appeared to be going slow even though it was very low and it didnt accelerate until it cleared the building I cant explain how or why. B-2 are not
limited to dropping nukes. They can be equipted with a wide array of explosive payloads. I would like to thank everyone who joined in, I have enjoyed
the disscusion 
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 10:11 AM by SoLaR513
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By way point do you mean: Fly until you see this building and then turn around and come back? THAT would make alot of sense. As I said though it was
just the feeling I got the way that it moved and looked I merely theorized thats what it was doing but you make a great point.
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 11:03 AM by betaiso
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one could hear a B2 coming kilometers away.. buzzed by B2 at stone throw height one will be deaf for sure..
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 11:28 AM by SoLaR513
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I was sitting in my car with the window up and chevelle blasting on the radio. I only looked up because the sun suddenly went dark. I jumped out of
the car as it already passed over me and was going over the building. But Im telling you it didnt make a sound till it was almost gone.
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 11:58 AM by jpm1602
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Hi Bozeian,
I am no Jane's military buff that's for sure. Could it have been a F117 variant, surely. All I know is it had the classic cookie cutter flying wing
thing going on. I will say it was not just wtam but all 4 major tv local news casts also reported on it. The City of Clevelands' gov website did
indeed go to red for approx. three hours. When reported by wtam it mysteriously went back to yellow again. You need to understand this was a city wide
event reported by hundreds of locals. For all I know they were looking for a rogue band of jihadist telletubbies. I've lived here for 44yrs and it
was the most military activity I have seen outside of an air show.
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 12:12 PM by SoLaR513
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What was your first gut reaction to what was goin on?
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 12:35 PM by jpm1602
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Hi Solar. In the context of all the reports. That week had seen a number of sightings of ufo's. At approx 1130 am that day newscasts broke into local
broadcasting to report a cessna sized small plane with pontoons (so ridiculous, I cannot even believe) had buzzed Perry nuclear power plant. That's
when all the military ac heated up. The sky that morning was literally dovetailed with contrails almost everywhere. Don't know the revelancy of that.
Gut feeling, they were after something that was doing things not deemed appropriate or hostile. Most likely a ufo. Or a winged platoon of teletubbies
with plasma ray tech
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reply posted on 15-1-2008 @ 12:37 PM by Mondogiwa
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Solar,
Yes, waypoints are a point of reference and they can be a visually marked point. For instance, pilots at airshows have visual waypoints or (center
show) markers. they also, in the case of military display teams, have markers to distinguish turning points. They case these out prior to the
airshows. Also, commercial airliners have what are referred to as "outer" and "inner" markers for approach references to major airports.
What you may have seen could be a "waypoint" or "marker", just seems very strange that any B2 would be practicing a simluated release of weapons
of any type from the altitude that you have describes.......simply put, this is not a real world application as the possibilities of detection and
self fragmentation are far too great. It is an amzing aircraft no doubt. but at that altitude, and continuing to loiter in that area, it gives the
possibility of anybody to use a simple shoulder fired weapon, and the possibility of the "Magic bullet"!
Great scene you observer, but I would simply have to guess that you witnessed a hotdogging maneuver or a low level flight exercise. We have had
pilots do this type of stuff for their friends and such. Sort of a ," het be here at this time and place and see what happens" sort of thing back
in the day. It does not tend to happen as the regulations have gotten way more intense and ESPECIALLY for a B2 grew.....but you just never know???
Also, you would be very surprised at what 500 knots would seem like at that altitude. It would seem very fast as you described. Also, the
performance of the aircraft is much higher than what the "average Joe" would think. Amazing aircraft and weapons patform....you are a very lucky man
to have seen this!!!
Have a great day, Peace....Mondo

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