Yes that is true completely. Every author applies their own moral slant to things. It seems to vary from school to school and if we look at 50 or 100 years spans in time.

I am very happy and satisfied in doing what I do. If I did suddenly feel I wanted to live to a larger degree and truly felt I would be happy at another level I would probably do so.

Have seen a couple of greed examples that worked but the backlash was not very good. It always seems to stall out at one point or another. My gut says it will work fine either way, though I learned that it should be one way. Probably like if you were taught to say bucket instead of pail. Blind acceptance on my part.

Sameness is lame. I would encourage everyone to live to the fullness of thier dreams and for the young to dream big.

The only true limits are what you set for yourself.

rYou can have everything you believe you already have"

This is a wonderful reformulation of the adage.

But thinking about this thread, inevitably this (old) question came to my mind: what about "crickets" in distress - the people who are genuinely carefree (not necessary careless) about money, and they are good in what they do (and don't come from a financially "poor" family, with their mentality adversely impacted by their background) and yet sink into poverty?

I am asking because I know a few (very few) of them, so I can really say they do not worry about money. So much so that one of them, counting (literally) on the considerable chunk of money that she saw coming to her (from a work done) - in fact, she was SURE it was on her bank account - kept living her merry (not wasteful) life as usually... And then realised that, for truly obscure reasons, the money had NOT been paid. Now she is destitute. (Again: literally.)

I hope it is clear - from my other posts, if not from this one - that I absolutely DO believe (and practice) the art of "creation". But the "crickets" have become a nagging question in my mind...


(BTW, just in case, someone else might be wondering: I called them "crickets" because of the Aesopus' fable. : )




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My wife called me Friday and said that here meeting had been put off from the morning and it was all falling apart. I told her it was the toxicity of her coworker affecting her and assured her she was a sovereign and that it was not up to her to micromanage the exact how or when, only to expect the result. She got a call in minutes rescheduling the meeting for just after lunch as well as an apology for the lax schedule times.

I believe that because you are altering the future, you can not ignore the present nor can you gamble with finances.

All people will become broke without income and a careful management of funds is always required. Like the story of the rock star that makes millions only to find out they burned it like firewood. The extent of the vision may have only been to make millions, never thinking to invest and live comfortably as part of the vision.

Still I wonder about some of the crickets too.

Still I wonder about some of the crickets too.

I am glad to hear that.
Thanks for such an honest reply.

I think it's very good to talk about these (potential) pitfalls.

P.S. I was very glad to read what you said, about the final outcome of your wife's problems.
I know the feeling! Yours, I mean: when you just know - because you DECIDE - that it will work out. PERIOD.

It truly works "miracles". ; )





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Great thread.

There are some things that are keeping me busy lately. One is that most of the time, if not almost always we have beliefs, and emotional blocks that keep us in the life that we don't want and keep us focusing on lack.

The majority of these beliefs come from the time we were children where often something small. Parents arguing with each other ( one telling the other, your worthless) which can be picked up by your subconscious mind and develop into an emotional block that will keep you thinking you are wortless, that you deserve nothing, that you are a nobody etc..

These beliefs will be in your face whenever you do the visualization excersizes or will come up as undesirable situations that keep you from getting what you wish for.

There are ways to get rid of these blocks.

BSFF
EFT
The Zero point process
Emotional stress release
Brainwave entrainment

And others...

At the moment I'm using the BSFF and zero point process. They are both really good, and can be learned free. Check them out on google.

Great topic I like it a lot. I have read few books by Eliphas Levi he called "the power of attraction" Magnetism, without it magic would not be possible. Certain colors, sounds (Vibrations), thought form, planet alignments, herbs etc… attract specific types of energy. If you know what your desired goal is, then look up all that corresponds to it and create a meditation or ritual to reinforce it. I also agree that is does have its limits and common sense must be applied. Not to mention some thing can many years. A lot of time it is easier and faster to do what is necessary in the physical world to get a desired goal.

Regards
Trustnobody

Nice thread

When explaining the concept of LOA to others i often use this basic analology:


Imagine every outcome, good and bad, that could possibly happen is literally floating around you randomly.

People have the ability to literally 'pluck' these outcomes out of the air and draw (or attract) them into their life.

You can determine which outcomes get attracted to you by living, feeling and believing the moment before it happens, therefore forcing that outcome into your life.

You want rain? Go outside and play in the (imagined) rain, jump in the (imagined) puddles, feel the (imagined) water trickle down your face and so on. By doing this you are feeling, in this case both emotionally (most important) and physically (by actually going outside), the sensation of the rain you want - therefore attracting rain into your world.

You want that job? Feel the exact feelings you would if you got it - relief, joy, pride, etc - and live that moment when you get told you got the job. By doing so you are drawing that outcome down and into your personal experience.

As we have all said, fully live the moment then simply wait for it to happen = you no it will, so its just a matter of time.


Crickets?

I tend to agree that these folks have deep seeded emotional issues which have become so ingrained into their being that they are subconsciously allowing them to dominate their emotions. If you cant feel genuine happiness, how will you attract things which make you happy into your life?


Historical examples?

It has been theorised by Gregg Braden (i think) that Nazca lines in Peru are actually evidence of tribes who used this technique to attract water to their barren landscape.

Underneath some of the geometric shapes at Nazca are natural acquifers or dams which seem to comform to the shape of the geometric shapes on the desert surface.

Additionally, each animal which appears on the plains has a unique link to water. The spider, the monkey, the bird - all of them have a unique link to water (such as the spider who a special appendage specifically for getting water). Each animal has a link to water is the point anyway.

It was theorised that these animals were sketched on the desert surface and outlines were also made on the surface to aid in the visualisation and attraction of water to the area.

Tribe members were believed to have gathered on each picture or shape and focus on water. Those gathering on the bird, for example, would feel whatever feeling that related the bird to water, while those on the geometric shapes imagined water flooding under the surface and creating underground dams.

If you lived in an area which was rapidly turning into the driest place on Earth - you may take these measures also.


It is one theory of the Nazca plans which i really like and i honestly cant see why such an exercise done on such a large scale repeatedly wouldnt work.


For the record, i really dislike people using this technique for material gain - its just wrong. Parking spaces though, now THAT i'm all for - and it works too!

Originally posted by Vanitas


This is a wonderful reformulation of the adage.

But thinking about this thread, inevitably this (old) question came to my mind: what about "crickets" in distress - the people who are genuinely carefree (not necessary careless) about money, and they are good in what they do (and don't come from a financially "poor" family, with their mentality adversely impacted by their background) and yet sink into poverty?

I am asking because I know a few (very few) of them, so I can really say they do not worry about money. So much so that one of them, counting (literally) on the considerable chunk of money that she saw coming to her (from a work done) - in fact, she was SURE it was on her bank account - kept living her merry (not wasteful) life as usually... And then realised that, for truly obscure reasons, the money had NOT been paid. Now she is destitute. (Again: literally.)

In working with people on this stuff (beliefs etc.) for a very long time, two things are certain for me:

1. It is not always apparent what someone deeply believes/feels on a subject. I therefore cut to the chase and look at what the person is experiencing. If that experience is "lack of money" I immediatly propose that thats the program the person is holding deep within, no matter how the person "appears" to be or what the person is saying to justify the situation. By assuming that thats the inner program, it becomes much easier to change it.

2. I dont think it is effective for you to look at HER situation and make judgements about YOUR ability. Its easier to look inside of yourself than inside of her. In other words, when working with people, they will give me dozens of examples of poverty "out there" and "with other people", and if I let them continue, they could come up with a hundred more examples. But this tells me more about their own fears than about others.

Originally posted by TheBandit795


There are some things that are keeping me busy lately. One is that most of the time, if not almost always we have beliefs, and emotional blocks that keep us in the life that we don't want and keep us focusing on lack.

Allow me to rephrase that: Every thoughtform/belief we hold, serves a purpose, serves us for something, has a so-called "pay off". In this sense, we dont self-sabotage ourselves but hold certain things in place in order not to drift off this planet so to speak. What I just did was label "negative beliefs" as something useful, serving. It then becomes easier to find out what that negative self-programming is and define what is preferred instead.

The majority of these beliefs come from the time we were children where often something small. Parents arguing with each other ( one telling the other, your worthless) which can be picked up by your subconscious mind and develop into an emotional block that will keep you thinking you are wortless, that you deserve nothing, that you are a nobody etc..

These beliefs will be in your face whenever you do the visualization excersizes or will come up as undesirable situations that keep you from getting what you wish for.

While I agree with what you are saying, Ive become very careful (in my professional work) of how I phrase things. Certain way of teaching things will for example, cause people to spend too much time looking for blocks and too little time looking for happiness. I would take the 80-20 ratio of only looking to solve problems 20% of the time and looking to experience something good 80% of the time.

There are ways to get rid of these blocks.

BSFF
EFT
The Zero point process
Emotional stress release
Brainwave entrainment

And others...

At the moment I'm using the BSFF and zero point process. They are both really good, and can be learned free. Check them out on google.

Interesting methods indeed.

Great thread, I am the fool who walks over the precipice, or as Arthur Dent learned levitation, think about something else before you hit the bottom.
I am presently immersed in a drama of some magnitude, I have been
trying to mobilize big cash for years to be able to join the global players
and attract some of that energy to channel into a more creative and positive direction, so far not much luck, just bitterness and disillusion. I also think these seeds are planted very early in our lives and I am confronted with this dilemma in my own child who is just over three, his Mother moved out when he turned two and she is using my temporary lack of funds as an excuse for not allowing me to be with him. She makes the rules and then has the audacity to demand that I tell him that he cannot visit with me because I am broke, it is so sick that I am actually wishing she would drop dead, which obviously is not the solution and is poisoning my heart with hate. So I need to disentangle myself from this path of destruction, which in my case is physical as well as spiritual, I lost one of my testicles to cancer 16 months ago and I feel that I am treading a very thin line at this time, frustration and recurring bouts of anger causing caustic reactions in my body. I have appealed to her sense of decency and compassion but all I harvest is the opposite. So if money makes the world go around etc.
and lack of it will apparently destroy it, how will I turn the tables and bring
to blossom the creativity which dwells within ?

I do and I don't, but I will keep trying...!

I just love this thead....cool

I believe that we are all part of the same oneness.

As we think and feel emotions, they are converted to wave
patterns and these patterns are in turn emitted out and become part of the matrix that is reality, and they all resonate together and form complex patterns.

If your thought patterns resonate in a certain way they will be in tune with other like minded thoughts/frequencies/wave probagations/patterns.

it helps explain the super string theory of new quantum sciences

in the string theory, certain wave pattern/frequencies can create
a non-linear reaction where the harmonics of the resonation
will reach up and affect ALL octaves simultaniously(reaching out across all time and space all at once at the same time)


all is sound/vibration.

so yes ...there is much more to the "Secret" than just the movie...lol

The way I look at it is that life is just another dream, only a more physical bound one, but still a place where your thoughts form your entire reality. When you go to sleep and dream, you just go to a dimention or plane where thought power manifests more quickly and direct, since that place is somewhat less limited and more intiminate. I belive this is one of the many intentions dreams has, to show us that we create what we think and belive.

If youre having a nightmare, and don`t realize youre dreaming, and just keep fearing whatever is haunting you there and then, and you belive its real, it will just become bigger and closer to you. However, realize youre dreaming and you can turn the monster thats chasing you into a cute little puppet while you fly away.

Thats how I look at waking life, - just another dream. Only this one is shared by everyone else on the planet, so all your thoughts will slightly affect, and be affected by the rest of the people around you. Still, youre the one in control of your own reality.

So just like lucid dreaming, I try to remind myself as often as I can, that im simply just going through another dream, and everything is possible. It`s like becomming lucid in waking state.

I think I may have misjudged you back when I started here Sky. Kewl subject. Star and flag 4 you.

Yes I agree the phrasing is quite obvious, so perhaps rephrasing in my heart will help to turn the tables. It is a bit weird though, because I am not at all a practicer, in my preferred hobby which is music, I perform, I never practice
and I love music for that because the magic of performing without a safety net is the biggest thrill I know.

First off - Great thread. Normally I avoid "The Secret" type threads. That movie struck me as just too superficial. Most people I know who were really into that, just wanted money etc... for themselves.

But when I looked into the subject, I was going through a rough period of my life and it made me look into a lot of different subjects.

It made me come to the conclusion, that LOA or whatever the preferred nomenclature is, is actually what most every other spiritual endeavor takes advantage of.

It is all about focus and willpower.

Religions use it for prayer.
Astral projectors use it for AP.
Magicians use it in magick.

But for the most part it comes back to the same thing though.


Again, good thread. I may have to U2U you some questions some time. Unless of course, that is why you didn't want to divulge that information before. If you don't want people soliciting advice, I completely understand.