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Originally posted by dAlen
Sure Jesus was kabbalist.
Even more so was Paul.
Originally posted by mr-lizard
That's assuming Kabbalah has any worth or power.
From my experience the two people who I know practice kaballah talked about having to be of pure heart and mind and were quite respected people in Glastonbury UK.
Only thing is, from an atheists point of view they were no better than anyone else, only THEY talked about being of purer heart and mind and still suffered from jealousy and bitterness that is inherent in the human soul.
Like any other religion or belief, it's just a comfort blanket, a way of division and arguement and a false hope.
Why act in a nice way because God or Allah or Jesus told you to be nice, why not use your common sense and just be nice anyway.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Few, if any, Kabalists believe in the existence of an anthropomorphic "personal" God.
The origins of the actual term Kabbalah are unknown and disputed to belong either to Solomon ibn Gabirol (1021 - 1058) or else to the 13th century CE Spanish Kabbalist Bahya ben Asher. While other terms have been used in many religious documents from the 2nd century CE up to the present day, the term Kabbalah has become the main descriptive of Jewish esoteric knowledge and practices. The Kabbalistic literature, which served as the basis for most of the development of Kabbalistic thought, divides between early works such as Heichalot and Sefer Yetzirah (believed to be dated 1st or 2nd Century CE) and later works dated to the 13th century CE, of which the main book is the Zohar representing the main source for the Contemplative Kabbalah ("Kabbalah Iyunit").
The Talmud has two components: the Mishnah (c. 200 CE), the first written compendium of Judaism's Oral Law; and the Gemara (c. 500 CE), a discussion of the Mishnah and related Tannaitic writings that often ventures onto other subjects and expounds broadly on the Tanakh.
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
The only evidence that would give credence to these claims would be a scroll or tablet that is as old as the old testament. But all you have for the Kaabbal is form 1000 AD. Without any evidence that sounds like a legend made up by people who are into Kabbala. I really am new to the subject please show me some evidence, I just don't see it yet.
It doesn't make sense in light of the scriptures either. When Moses staff turned into a snake he was as surprised as anyone else. God did those things, I don't believe they had to practice "magic" to perform those miracles.
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
And dAlen usually when I make a claim about the scripture I back it up with an example. I know you have all this training, so please educate us a little, and provide evidence with your claims.
taken from en.wikipedia.org...
According to the Books of Kings, Elijah raised the dead, brought fire down from the sky, and ascended into heaven on a whirlwind. In the New Testament, both Jesus and John the Baptist are on some occasions thought to be Elijah, the latter actually being described by the Archangel Gabriel as coming "in the spirit and power of Elijah" (Luke 1:17)
Most prophets received special training. The school of the prophets was first instituted by Samuel. 1 Samuel 19 tells us that It was located during the early years at Ramah 1 Samuel 19:19,20. Later schools were established at Bethel, Jericho, Gilgal, and elsewhere 2 Kings 2:3,5. The schools attracted student of the word who were given formal training in the law and its interpretation. They were lead by an elderly prophet called Master. This is where the term the sons of the prophets comes from. 1 Sam. 10:12; 2 Kings 2:3.
Now just like in our modern schools of theology not everyone who was enrolled in these schools possessed the gift of prophecy. Also it is like today not all inspired prophets were graduates of such schools. Amos, although called to be a prophet, was trained outside the prophetic schools of the day.
The Sepher Ha-Razim is a Kabbalistic text supposedly given to Noah by the angel Raziel. Note that this is a different book than the Sefer Raziel HaMalach, which was given to Adam by the same angel. To say that it is an unorthodox text is an understatement; while traditional Jewish laws of purity are part of the cosmogony, for instance, there are "praxeis which demand we eat cakes made from blood and flour" (Morgan 9). It is supposedly a sourcebook for Jewish magic, calling upon angels rather than Yahweh to perform supernatural feats. The text itself was once considered to be part of "orthodox" Judaism under the influence of Hellenism, but this text, along with other works of Kabbalah, are considered to be unorthodox at best and heretical at worst in modern Judaism.
Originally posted by Nohup
Originally posted by Shawn B.
...... After driving a mute demon out of some dude, which enabled him to speak again, a lot of people accused Jesus of working with Beelezub. And Jesus gives a kind of round-about answer to the accusation, never quite denying it.