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The thing about project camelot....

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posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 09:03 PM
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Recently, i started a thread called 'The Case For Clifford Stone' and, to me at least, it seemed the general consensus was that he was speaking the truth, flat out.

Now don't get me wrong, hats off to the guy for bringing forth the FOIA documents, which i find extremely interesting to say the least, but his story is a little errr... shaky, by that i mean he starts off with a good old tale of government cover ups and ET communication, and ends up with talking to invisible friends and being hand picked as a communicator to alien species.

Having watched a lot of the Project Camelot video interviews i cannot fathom how some people take it as 'the truth', i am in no ways a skeptic
if anything i'm a 'skeptical believer', in that i believe we are being visited by extraterrestrial entities, but i am not willing to believe 90% of the interviews on this site. To me the only ones that rings credible are Gary Mckinnon and Ralph Ring. Probably because they don'y go down that 'spirtual' or 'higher conciousness' road that a lot of the others go down..

Robert O'Dean and his wife for example, in their interview together, they claim to have met each other many times in past life's, this is bordering on tarot card reading material here might i add, which i believe is a complete scam.

Nonetheless the people conducting the interviews are trying to tie all the facts of these guys story all together, which is going to end up a huge mish mash of information that will probably be incomprehendable me and possibly a few others.

Dan Burisch tales for instance, which no doubt have been debated on here many times before, now this guy can act that's all i'm saying, he obviously has nothing better to do than spout rubbish about stargates, sub star trek/stargate SG1 material that has no conclusive or tangible evidence! That and it seems Dan Sherman is trying to plug advert about his book, i suppose we all need to make money mind you...

My conclusion is this, sorry to the members of ATS who believe in Project Camelot, i am not 'close minded' nor am i a 'debunker', i am just not willing to accept these guys testimonies as flat out truth as others do, if you believe them and it turns out there is proof of them lying then i'm sure it'll be another conspiracy theory within itself, so really, there's no convincing anybody and ultimately renders this thread a waste of time, on the contrary, there should be some interesting arguements




posted on Jan, 12 2008 @ 07:16 AM
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Originally posted by Smugallo
...being hand picked as a communicator to alien species...


You know what's weird, that's exactly Dan Sherman's story also!

Maybe the U.S. military was screwing with their minds, and that's ultimately the cover-up.

It's just weird that these claims don't stop at their 'witness' testimony recounting of what they know, but added in their is who they are...



posted on Jan, 12 2008 @ 07:38 AM
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hrm, when you bring his story into the equation things can get a little hazy. I think what his story brings into the scene is the idea that possably "alians" are no more then "demons" or what ever you wish to call them. That would be one explanation for what he was experiencing.
This would of course lead to a lot more complex situations as to why they are there posing as alians.
If people want me to go into the above in more detail I can but I dont want to spend the time writing it out in this post.

Smugallo Im completely on your side of the fence concerning people going on about that 'spirtual' or 'higher conciousness' road... that really annoyes me.
For the record I believe that Gary Mckinnon and Ralph Ring are truthful as well as Henry Deacon, Bill Holden, Dan Shermon, and some elements of David Wilcock.
Some of the others though are a little hazy.

-fm



posted on Jan, 12 2008 @ 07:43 AM
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because they don'y go down that 'spirtual' or 'higher conciousness' road that a lot of the others go down..


I agree 100% I'm sick of that stuff....probebly the best way to flush out the BS is when someone speaks of all that 'higher conciousness' BS.....



posted on Jan, 12 2008 @ 01:28 PM
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I completely disagree with you. Do you know what Spiritual or Consciousness means?
Go look it up in the dictionary. I'm sorry, but saying that spiritual or higher consciousness means BS is full of BS.

And no i'm not religious.

Go check these out:

Dean Radin, Ph.D on Quantum Physics
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Miceal Ledwith, Ph.D on God, Science & Religion
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Amit Goswami, Ph.D ON Quantum Physics & Consciousness
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John Hagelin, Ph.D on Consciousness
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Stuart Hammeroff, MD ON Time & Consciousness
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posted on Jan, 12 2008 @ 08:57 PM
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Yeah, I had Dean figured as a kook for sometime. What did it for me was when he said Corso (who is dead now) was working radar at a base, and he had to go confront the ET that had landed, and the ET asked him to turn off the radar, so he could leave - lol.

Corso I knew was full of it, when in his book he had the Santilli aliens in it, and he said they were they same as what he saw himself. Santilli was debunked by the time the book was out.

There's not alot of money in UFOlogy unless you get some great footage or obtain some sort of physical evidence (which I believe there has been). Alot of these guys tend to get what one researcher calls the "UFO Disease". You make up stuff to keep the money flowing in.



posted on Jan, 12 2008 @ 09:09 PM
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I'd have to agree, every has to make a living after all, and most of these guys have books out, and some are blatantly trying to sell them through the interviews.

Big Dean o' boy and his wife's interview was just painful to listen to being honest with you, i never ever believed corso and apparantly clifford stone was listed as a nothing more that a clerk in his military career.

That was to hide his real job of course



posted on Jan, 12 2008 @ 11:59 PM
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Do you know what Spiritual or Consciousness means?


Yes...as a matter of fact I do......as I said before....complete and utter BS!
As much as I do support what the people at Project Camelot are doing regarding 2012......the ratio of wack jobs interviewed on that site are about 85%...and that's being lenient....

As said by Smugallo….the most credible people are Gary Mckinnon and Ralph Ring, whom don’t go into that higher conciseness…..I think you need to understand this…..when people like these folk talk about higher conciseness, all this does is give hope to people that there’s something else out there…a better reality….( a new awakening) and such…..this creates a system in people’s minds where they think everything is going to be ok….because there is something else besides the world we live in…..I’m one for believing in aliens….hell, I’ve had my own strange experiences…..but all this spiritual stuff…..is just another religious ideology that death isn’t the end…..that our soul goes to other planets…or goes to the moon into some kind of machine that’s transports it into a the body of a healthy baby….etc….

All this is designed to give people a belief (a false belief) ……because religion is dying slowly but surely, this is just a new tactic to encourage the ‘god’ concept….or the life after death or living on a higher plane of existence concept…..It has been said in alien abduction docs and other alien type movies….that aliens don’t fear death….that their soul travels to another higher level of conciseness after they die…It’s all the same BS…..Please understand this….I think Smugallo has figured some of this out already …



posted on Jan, 13 2008 @ 04:03 AM
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Agreed.

Past life's, Higher Concioussness, anything like that. It's basically crap.

The only place you go after death, is the same place you were before you were born.

Nowhere.



posted on Jan, 13 2008 @ 04:16 AM
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posted on Jan, 13 2008 @ 05:20 AM
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If i were Andre18, I'd be pretty insulted by what you just said.

He's entitled to an opinion, lack of depth or not, you have come across as quite condescending, and childish, perhaps you should go post on the nickolodeon forums instead of Andre18.



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