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POLITICS: Fellow Pilot Recalls Bush

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posted on Feb, 11 2004 @ 01:21 PM
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In what seems like partisan politics at there best, the democratic national committee has been attacking President Bush over his service record in the Air National Guard. Bush has come back several times over the past week, including on Meet the Press and through White House spokesman to debunk the claim that he AWOL'd the ANG. Many doubts have been raised because no one has come forward to confirm that Bush was present during his time in the ANG. Until now.
 

"George Bush and I were lieutenants and pilots in the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron (FIS), Texas Air National Guard (ANG) from 1970 to 1971. We had the same flight and squadron commanders (Maj. William Harris and Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, both now deceased). While we were not part of the same social circle outside the base, we were in the same fraternity of fighter pilots, and proudly wore the same squadron patch."

"The winding down of the Vietnam War in 1971 provided a flood of exiting active-duty pilots for these instructor jobs, making part-timers like Lt. Bush and me somewhat superfluous. There was a huge glut of pilots in the Air Force in 1972, and with no cockpits available to put them in, many were shoved into nonflying desk jobs. Any pilot could have left the Air Force or the Air Guard with ease after 1972 before his commitment was up because there just wasn't room for all of them anymore."

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[Edited on 11-2-2004 by SkepticOverlord]




posted on Feb, 11 2004 @ 01:31 PM
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I generally dont do this or even know if it is allowed, but I will go ahead and post the entire letter here for easier reading.


George Bush and I were lieutenants and pilots in the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron (FIS), Texas Air National Guard (ANG) from 1970 to 1971. We had the same flight and squadron commanders (Maj. William Harris and Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, both now deceased). While we were not part of the same social circle outside the base, we were in the same fraternity of fighter pilots, and proudly wore the same squadron patch.

It is quite frustrating to hear the daily cacophony from the left and Sen. John Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat, et al., about Lt. Bush escaping his military responsibilities by hiding in the Texas ANG. In the Air Guard during the Vietnam War, you were always subject to call-up, as many Air National Guardsmen are finding out today. If the 111th FIS and Lt. Bush did not go to Vietnam, blame President Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara, not lowly Lt. Bush. They deliberately avoided use of the Guard and Reserves for domestic political calculations, knowing that a draftee only stirred up the concerns of one family, while a call-up got a whole community's attention.

The mission of the 147th Fighter Group and its subordinate 111th FIS, Texas ANG, and the airplane it possessed, the F-102, was air defense. It was focused on defending the continental United States from Soviet nuclear bombers. The F-102 could not drop bombs and would have been useless in Vietnam. A pilot program using ANG volunteer pilots in F-102s (called Palace Alert) was scrapped quickly after the airplane proved to be unsuitable to the war effort. Ironically, Lt. Bush did inquire about this program but was advised by an ANG supervisor (Maj. Maurice Udell, retired) that he did not have the desired experience (500 hours) at the time and that the program was winding down and not accepting more volunteers.

If you check the 111th FIS records of 1970-72 and any other ANG squadron, you will find other pilots excused for career obligations and conflicts. The Bush excusal in 1972 was further facilitated by a change in the unit's mission, from an operational fighter squadron to a training squadron with a new airplane, the F-101, which required that more pilots be available for full-time instructor duty rather than part-time traditional reservists with outside employment.

The winding down of the Vietnam War in 1971 provided a flood of exiting active-duty pilots for these instructor jobs, making part-timers like Lt. Bush and me somewhat superfluous. There was a huge glut of pilots in the Air Force in 1972, and with no cockpits available to put them in, many were shoved into nonflying desk jobs. Any pilot could have left the Air Force or the Air Guard with ease after 1972 before his commitment was up because there just wasn't room for all of them anymore.

Sadly, few of today's partisan pundits know anything about the environment of service in the Reserves in the 1970s. The image of a reservist at that time is of one who joined, went off for six months' basic training, then came back and drilled weekly or monthly at home, with two weeks of "summer camp." With the knowledge that Mr. Johnson and Mr. McNamara were not going to call out the Reserves, it did become a place of refuge for many wanting to avoid Vietnam.

There was one big exception to this abusive use of the Guard to avoid the draft, and that was for those who wanted to fly, as pilots or crew members. Because of the training required, signing up for this duty meant up to 2 years of active duty for training alone, plus a high probability of mobilization. A fighter-pilot candidate selected by the Guard (such as Lt. Bush and me) would be spending the next two years on active duty going through basic training (six weeks), flight training (one year), survival training (two weeks) and combat crew training for his aircraft (six to nine months), followed by local checkout (up to three more months) before he was even deemed combat-ready. Because the draft was just two years, you sure weren't getting out of duty being an Air Guard pilot. If the unit to which you were going back was an F-100, you were mobilized for Vietnam. Avoiding service? Yeah, tell that to those guys.

The Bush critics do not comprehend the dangers of fighter aviation at any time or place, in Vietnam or at home, when they say other such pilots were risking their lives or even dying while Lt. Bush was in Texas. Our Texas ANG unit lost several planes right there in Houston during Lt. Bush's tenure, with fatalities. Just strapping on one of those obsolescing F-102s was risking one's life.

Critics such as Mr. Kerry (who served in Vietnam, you know), Terry McAuliffe and Michael Moore (neither of whom served anywhere) say Lt. Bush abandoned his assignment as a jet fighter pilot without explanation or authorization and was AWOL from the Alabama Air Guard.

Well, as for abandoning his assignment, this is untrue. Lt. Bush was excused for a period to take employment in Florida for a congressman and later in Alabama for a Senate campaign.

Excusals for employment were common then and are now in the Air Guard, as pilots frequently are in career transitions, and most commanders (as I later was) are flexible in letting their charges take care of career affairs until they return or transfer to another unit near their new employment. Sometimes they will transfer temporarily to another unit to keep them on the active list until they can return home. The receiving unit often has little use for a transitory member, especially in a high-skills category like a pilot, because those slots usually are filled and, if not filled, would require extensive conversion training of up to six months, an unlikely option for a temporary hire.

As a commander, I would put such "visitors" in some minor administrative post until they went back home. There even were a few instances when I was unaware that they were on my roster because the paperwork often lagged. Today, I can't even recall their names. If a Lt. Bush came into my unit to "pull drills" for a couple of months, I wouldn't be too involved with him because I would have a lot more important things on my table keeping the unit combat ready.

Another frequent charge is that, as a member of the Texas ANG, Lt. Bush twice ignored or disobeyed lawful orders, first by refusing to report for a required physical in the year when drug testing first became part of the exam, and second by failing to report for duty at the disciplinary unit in Colorado to which he had been ordered. Well, here are the facts:

First, there is no instance of Lt. Bush disobeying lawful orders in reporting for a physical, as none would be given. Pilots are scheduled for their annual flight physicals in their birth month during that month's weekend drill assembly the only time the clinic is open. In the Reserves, it is not uncommon to miss this deadline by a month or so for a variety of reasons: The clinic is closed that month for special training; the individual is out of town on civilian business; etc.

If so, the pilot is grounded temporarily until he completes the physical. Also, the formal drug testing program was not instituted by the Air Force until the 1980s and is done randomly by lot, not as a special part of a flight physical, when one easily could abstain from drug use because of its date certain. Blood work is done, but to ensure a healthy pilot, not confront a drug user.

Second, there was no such thing as a "disciplinary unit in Colorado" to which Lt. Bush had been ordered. The Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver is a repository of the paperwork for those no longer assigned to a specific unit, such as retirees and transferees. Mine is there now, so I guess I'm "being disciplined." These "disciplinary units" just don't exist. Any discipline, if required, is handled within the local squadron, group or wing, administratively or judicially. Had there been such an infraction or court-martial action, there would be a record and a reflection in Lt. Bush's performance review and personnel folder. None exists, as was confirmed in The Washington Post in 2000.

Finally, the Kerrys, Moores and McAuliffes are casting a terrible slander on those who served in the Guard, then and now. My Guard career parallels Lt. Bush's, except that I stayed on for 33 years. As a guardsman, I even got to serve in two campaigns. In the Cold War, the air defense of the United States was borne primarily by the Air National Guard, by such people as Lt. Bush and me and a lot of others. Six of those with whom I served in those years never made their 30th birthdays because they died in crashes flying air-defense missions.

While most of America was sleeping and Mr. Kerry was playing antiwar games with Hanoi Jane Fonda, we were answering 3 a.m. scrambles for who knows what inbound threat over the Canadian subarctic, the cold North Atlantic and the shark-filled Gulf of Mexico. We were the pathfinders in showing that the Guard and Reserves could become reliable members of the first team in the total force, so proudly evidenced today in Afghanistan and Iraq.

It didn't happen by accident. It happened because back at the nadir of Guard fortunes in the early '70s, a lot of volunteer guardsman showed they were ready and able to accept the responsibilities of soldier and citizen then and now. Lt. Bush was a kid whose congressman father encouraged him to serve in the Air National Guard. We served proudly in the Guard. Would that Mr. Kerry encourage his children and the children of his colleague senators and congressmen to serve now in the Guard.

In the fighter-pilot world, we have a phrase we use when things are starting to get out of hand and it's time to stop and reset before disaster strikes. We say, "Knock it off." So, Mr. Kerry and your friends who want to slander the Guard: Knock it off.


COL. WILLIAM CAMPENNI (retired)
U.S. Air Force/Air National Guard
Herndon, Va.5



posted on Feb, 15 2004 @ 01:04 AM
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"George Bush and I were lieutenants and pilots in the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron (FIS), Texas Air National Guard (ANG) from 1970 to 1971...."


Forgive me for stating the obvious, but the period of time in question is the end of 1972 through the beginning of 1973. I don't see how this letter is relevant to the issue. It doesn't vindicate Bush in the least, since no one questioned whether or not he was present and accounted for in 1970 and '71.



posted on Feb, 15 2004 @ 11:25 PM
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How long are you supposed to be in the reserves, 10 years?



posted on Feb, 16 2004 @ 01:11 AM
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This does not address the fact that Bush was placed in the Guard above a hundred other candidates who scored substantially higher on the tests than Bush who barely passed. I would also like to know how a student who barely had the grades to go to a second rate community college got into Yale.



posted on Feb, 16 2004 @ 02:43 PM
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That would be...."daddy's money"


Good call on the dates in the letter....



posted on Feb, 16 2004 @ 03:05 PM
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i think what really matters is whether bush can run the country well or not. its pathetic that people are so wrapped up in what he did over 30 years ago



posted on Feb, 16 2004 @ 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by groingrinder
This does not address the fact that Bush was placed in the Guard above a hundred other candidates who scored substantially higher on the tests than Bush who barely passed. I would also like to know how a student who barely had the grades to go to a second rate community college got into Yale.


Not to mention Harvard. Why does that catch you so off guard? It happens all the live-long time. Or, you may get a pass because you meet certain physical specifications.

I know a trainee that is nowhere near the best candidate for helicopter school, neither physically or mentally, but pulled every trick, waiver and "minority" card in the book to get herslef in the Apache.

Do you really think any of it is about being the best qualified for the slot?



posted on Feb, 16 2004 @ 09:49 PM
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Money = Privilege.

Welcome to America.



posted on Feb, 16 2004 @ 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne

Originally posted by groingrinder
This does not address the fact that Bush was placed in the Guard above a hundred other candidates who scored substantially higher on the tests than Bush who barely passed. I would also like to know how a student who barely had the grades to go to a second rate community college got into Yale.


Not to mention Harvard. Why does that catch you so off guard? It happens all the live-long time. Or, you may get a pass because you meet certain physical specifications.

I know a trainee that is nowhere near the best candidate for helicopter school, neither physically or mentally, but pulled every trick, waiver and "minority" card in the book to get herslef in the Apache.

Do you really think any of it is about being the best qualified for the slot?

Good lord am I embarrassed. In my fervor to condemn Bush I couldn't even get the school right.



posted on Feb, 17 2004 @ 08:57 AM
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On Alumni waiver....meaning that he benefited from an Affirmative Action.....but people foget that he failed at getting into Texas Christian University; Yale was the only place that would take him.
And he score lower that 250 other applicants. I would bet my very beloved left nut that, of those 250, some had played the minority card/had connections/used every trick in the book.....just failed to get traction against old world money and the Chief Spook in charge.



posted on Feb, 17 2004 @ 10:20 AM
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Did Dubya go AWOL after he was arrested for coc aine possession in '72?

www.salon.com... aine/



posted on Feb, 18 2004 @ 11:29 AM
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How convenient. An author makes the claim of a crime being commited, the crime's evidence being erased, and invokes sources of unnamed highranking Bush officials as informants.

Forgive me for being nonswayed by such "revelations".



posted on Feb, 18 2004 @ 03:07 PM
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I'm generally not buiying anything that comes frm the freeper site. That's just a wasteland.



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