Ron Paul '90s newsletter rant against blacks, gays

Hahaha... here we go again!
You'll find it's quite pointless arguing with FredT or Infinite on this matter. They seem to be wrapped up in the media mentality that if a presidential candidate doesn't succumb to the political correctness (that's all it is) line of thinking, they must be just another 'blood sucking politician'. Which is quite ironic, because it tends to be the blood sucking/flip flopping politicians that are the ones who always play the media's game -- just so they don't lose votes.

I find it sad that people with this mentality will consistently and purposely put petty issues such as the racist donation, under the guise of "morality" and "ethics". It's only those kinds of people that will actually believe Ron Paul is an immoral or racist person for giving back the donation. They'll tell you that the explanation given by Ron Paul is just damage control or spin -- as if the explanation is just 'so ridiculous' and 'utterly unbelievable!'. Yet they seem to ignore the possibility that he was addressing/defending a much more important issue of freedom of rights. But no way! ...that's nowhere near as important as giving back $500 to a racist -- just so he could please the fools and make it 150% clearer for them that he obviously doesn't endorse the views of everyone that donates to his campaign!

'Yeah man, it's all starting to add up! First a racist newsletter that he didn't publish, then 15 years later a $500 donation from a racist? Screw the fact that he has said many times he doesn't endorse any racist beliefs or people! Screw the fact that one of his biggest heroes is Martin Luther King! Screw the fact that there hasn't been one tiny convincing shred of evidence found, in his entire 11 years in congress, that points to the possibility of him being racist! Screw the fact that he's the only politician in who knows how long, running for President -- that is actually for the people. The picture is so clear now... the puzzle has been put together! He's a dirty racist, blood sucking politician!'

JOHN MCCAIN FTW -- He's not racist!

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I liked Paul's response when he was pressed by CNN on the whole newsletters issue.

He said, and I am paraphrasing because I can't find a transcript, but essentially: "if I am a racist, why I am I the only candidate taking a stand against the drug war policies that land thousands of otherwise innocent young black men in prison every year?"

It's a good question.

Considering Barak Obama's (courageous) admission of past marijuana and coc aine use, I am surprised he has not come out with a stronger stand against the drug war. Then again, like every candidate except Ron Paul, he doesn't want to upset the applecart.

But imagine where we might be if Obama had ended up in jail as a teen over some petty drug charge?

How would it have affected the course of his life?

Would he still be the charismatic Senator running a leading Presidential campaign?
Or just another depressing statistic?

I don't have a horse in this race but after reading the whole thread I have a comment on one thing I read; the quote from Paul regarding the Civil Rights Act.

It should be noted that when a Congressman makes a speech on the floor they are allowed to edit and rewrite their words before they are published. Always take these records with a grain of salt because they may or may not be what was actually said while they were experiencing the heat of the moment.

Paul started his career in a location where a Non-Racist probably could not win an election. He would have had to at least pretend to be one to get elected. I know many here are young and for some weird reason people not even from here are involved with our politics which is very odd. It was a different country then. I'm not that old and I clearly remember the Race Riots and other things that have changed dramatically since that time. Times have changed. Or have they?

My opinion of Paul? His claimed writings are quite brilliant at times. When i see him speaking he either parrots the same words over and over again or he does a really lousy job of speaking off the cuff. He is easily rattled and his eyes say he has an anger management problem at the very least. I find it hard to connect the person I see speaking with writing credited to him. I'm not so sure he is writing his own material or he is even capable.

The Constitution is an imperfect document meant to create a President for Life, that gave no rights to non-land owners, women or minorities. It did allow for change which is its only saving grace. Times change and those stuck in the past are part of the problem rather than the solution. Paul is to inflexible and stuck in the past as well as not being up to the task of even answering questions at a debate. A President needs to quick on their feet and Paul is not even in that ballpark. That is why he is becoming a joke in this election. He may be a wonderful man but he is simply not qualified to be President any more than I am.

I think people like Alex Jones see someone weak they believe they can manipulate. Jones guarantees Paul's failure.

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I don't know what you've seen, but from the hundred's of speeches I've seen him do -- and especially interviews he does, meaning not scripted... he makes the other candidates look like retards. Literally. As for his "anger problem", many argue that up until now he wasn't assertive/angry enough. The point is, he has every right to be damn pissed off. Look at the state the country is in, and the direction in which it's heading -- unless there is big change. Yet the media acts as if there is nothing wrong, and try to smear his message/campaign. Damn right he's angry -- and my god, every decent American should be.



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Who cares what happened in '92-

Everyone rants at one time or another about someone else or some other race- big deal.

Ron paul '08 all the way

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We are all victims of our own biases. We have to call them as we see them. I don't see the future most powerful man on the face of the earth in Ron Paul. You do. Regardless of that I hope we get someone who at least does no harm. I think we probably both want the same things in the end.



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Just thought it might because in this day with all the political correctness rubbish, everyone is terrified of offending someone.

I, personally, see no evidence of Dr. Paul being a racist, and absent a direct quote or a video, I cannot be convinced otherwise. I have seen the photo of Don and Derrick Black and Ron Paul which I have never seen before, but cannot find an original source for the image. If the photo was taken in Mr. Black's living room or a Klan rally I might be convinced, but it looks as if this can be at any one of Dr. Paul's campaign stops.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
I don't see the future most powerful man of the face of the earth in Ron Paul.

I would think that one in whom is invested the potential to do the greatest harm should be the one in whom is native the greatest restraint.

[edit on 11-1-2008 by Alexi Humi]

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It sure is odd for someone who is not from your country to be involved in your politics because he cares for what happens to the 300 million+ people who lives there. Very odd.

I don't think RP is a racists and he went on cnn and "repudiated" all the statements that were made in his name.

Considering he has a perfect voting record and is literally being censored from MSM AND is a constitutionalist i say give him a break. I can't believe this story is even posted here its more Below Top Secret material.

Anyway its an attack campaign and a really cheap one at that all i have to say is...
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Originally posted by Moegli
It sure is odd for someone who is not from your country to be involved in your politics because he cares for what happens to the 300 million+ people who lives there. Very odd.

Also true, is that it's in the interest of many nations -- not just the states, for American foreign policies to be changed. I wish we were in a position where this wasn't the case.

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Heres something coming from somebody who worked for Ron Paul. If the author could come up with any hard evidence that he worked for Ron Paul, then this would go a long way into helping Ron Paul overcome the whole newsletter controversy.

I worked for Ron Paul, in his Washington D.C. office, in 1998-99, seeing him almost every day, and saw absolutely no indication of him being racist, and in fact, I saw many reasons to know he is not racist. I am of Hispanic decent, and quite proud of it. My family on my mother’s side were migrant farm workers and my Great-Grandfather even rode with Pancho Villa.I am also part American-Indian.

Not only am I outspoken about my heritage, I don’t work for racists and I would never have worked on Ron Paul’s staff if I had any suspicion whatsoever that he was "racist." And I wasn't the only staff member of "mixed race." There were several others and he never gave it a second thought. One of them was a young woman who is half Panamanian, with an obvious dark complexion. If Ron Paul were some kind of racist, who thinks non-whites are inferior, why would he hire her, or me? Was it some kind of elaborate, clever cover? No. The reason he did not care about our race is because he is a libertarian who sees people as individuals, not members of groups, racial or otherwise.

Stewart Rhodes

The increasingly shrill and slanderous attacks on Ron Paul are proof positive of the threat that he is seen to be by the establishment. It’s beginning to look like desperation on the cusp of madness. RP has no chance of winning of course, but we need to spend a bunch of time and energy smearing him anyway. Right.

Here is an official response from RP on the old newsletters.

www.ronpaul2008.com...

And here are a couple of good articles on the attempted smearing of RP.

newswithviews.com...

www.opednews.com...


And here’s a retraction that the NYT printed concerning the subject.

themedium.blogs.nytimes.com...

Ok people...if you would check out his website you would know..HE DIDNOT SAY THE RACIST CRAP!!!!!
For the 100th time....HERE is his reply to this CRAP!!!
TRY verifying BEFORE you believe everything you hear...And they say Paul supporters are conspiracy nuts!!! He also addressed this on CNN with Wolf Blitzer..its on youtube..Even old Wolf knows it is all BS!!!

www.ronpaul2008.com...

January 8, 2008 5:28 am EST

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – In response to an article published by The New Republic, Ron Paul issued the following statement:

“The quotations in The New Republic article are not mine and do not represent what I believe or have ever believed. I have never uttered such words and denounce such small-minded thoughts.

“In fact, I have always agreed with Martin Luther King, Jr. that we should only be concerned with the content of a person's character, not the color of their skin. As I stated on the floor of the U.S. House on April 20, 1999: ‘I rise in great respect for the courage and high ideals of Rosa Parks who stood steadfastly for the rights of individuals against unjust laws and oppressive governmental policies.’

“This story is old news and has been rehashed for over a decade. It's once again being resurrected for obvious political reasons on the day of the New Hampshire primary.

“When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the product. For over a decade, I have publicly taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.”

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Thats good thats refreshing and it's coming from one of his staff members who sees him everyday. I just cannot see Ron being a racist. After all he is a doctor, it's his passion to help and assist others. I very much doubt he became a Doctor only to help his fellow White man. People really need to look into both sides of the story.

Sadly this shows the inexperience of his campaign staff as this issue had been thoroughly hashed out in Texas several times with him being re-elected.

The campaign, when going national, should have pre-empted the possibilty of hit pieces from the material he did not write and was put out in his name. He has apologized for his lack of oversite many times.

This should have been front burner material presented by the Paul campaign but they somehow assumed that since this had been "big news" in Texas back in the day the rest of us had heard of it and knew all about these "shocking revelations." He didn't write it.

I'm sure there are lots of non-white folks he represents yet this "racist" is continually re-elected. Hmmm....


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Well the way I see it is you have the democrats on the left that enabled this great welfare state and for the most part... Well I would say all of the part of the reason blacks fill our inner cities, are in poverty and commit most of the violent crime. To me you can't get anymore racist or evil.

Then you have the far right noecon republicans with an answer of war, war and more war.

What is it you want? Ron Paul is right on target and I agree with most of what he says and has said. I will vote for him.

Hillary will most likely win with Osama as the VP and we will have a great socialist state. Let them eat cake...

wow...this is sad.
i'm suprised in a lot of these posts..believing these news reports and such.

haven't we learned, from this site even, that media is all smoke and mirrors. call me crazy but i don't believe any of this. we've seen the media try and smear paul since he started campaigning...this is nothing new, but just as dispicable

i can see right through this BS

Here Ron Paul sheds light on what really divides us, and explains how the Federal Government plays a big part of it.

What Really Divides Us? by Ron Paul

I think its just another right wing attack on our favorite candidate








Ron Paul 08