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Ask Me Any Serious Quesses About Christianity, The Bible, Church

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posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 12:21 AM
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I will attempt to answer them to the best of my ability and understanding. I will attempt to show those who are critical, or simply confused or curious the truth of a question. Please note that in the end, the infallible truth can be had, if you study the Bible long and well enough.

Where I'm Coming from:

I believe that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one being in three, three beings in one. I believe that they are not aliens.

I believe that the Bible (not including the Apocrypha) is the infallible God-inspired guidebook to life on the mortal plain. I do not believe that there are mistakes or contradictions on God's part. These can be explained through transcription errors, or differences in language, translation, phrasing, metaphor, etc. of the old world, as well as misunderstandings, misleading statements, OUT OF CONTEXT USE OF VERSES, or misconveyance of ideas and words because of different translations and versions. (Translation: direct from the Greek/Hebrew/Aramaic text. Version:Rephrased version of a translation) I believe that the precepts and penalties of the old Mosaic and Abrahamic covenants no longer apply, thanks to the sacrifice of Jesus, the Christ Child.

I believe that Jesus is the Son of God, was a perfect man never to sin, and was born by a virgin, died on a Cross, and arose, defeating death. He is my Lord and Savior.

I believe all things were created by God.

I believe the original intent for "Church" is not as we know it. It was a chance for people to get together in a place in a small group, and discuss life, God, and pray. The intent was to use the strengths and spiritual gifts among the group to enhance everyone's understanding of the Bible, to further the propagation of truth. The goal wasn't to create an institution that dictates a big production.

When I use the words Christianity and Church I am not referring to an organization, denomination, or other man-made thing (ex: The Catholic Church). Rather, I am referring to the body of Christ, the body of believers who accept Christ according to the Bible's words, as I do.

My studies come from many many years of study on my own, and with others. The truth in the Bible is what to go by, not neccessarily what a preacher (or anyone else) tells you. Honestly, the best way to learn and know the truth is to find it yourself. The best way to do this is to learn Hebrew Greek and Aramaic (which I do not know). An alternative (my route) is to study multiple translations and versions of the Bible, and to use a good lexicon. If you know someone who knows Jewish oral traditions and oral history, who can read Hebrew/Greek, that's even better. I know a Messianic Jewish Rabbi who has greatly enhanced my understanding of God's truth.

Please do not flame or Bible bash, or criticize anything to do with Yahweh or any other such thing.

Sock em' to me. Other people who believe similarly, or criticize, please chime in, but be nice, and please, DO NOT TAKE THE BIBLE's CONTENT OUT OF CONTEXT!

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posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 12:32 AM
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Very Good, Joe!
You are very passionate about God, Full of Zeal!

I agree with you, except I think church (unless it's a sinful one) is important.
"Forsake not the gathering of yourselves together."
Even a lukewarm church can be helped by spirit-filled Saint!!!
Pray for them!
I've got to go to bed.
It's almost 2:00 in the morning and I have to get my children up for school.
G'night!



posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 12:45 AM
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I didn't say anything negative about the meeting as a church thing... I attend one, in the modern definition of the word. It's just that today's American Church ideals aren't exactly what the Bible originally setup. I have a problem with false doctrine, bad theology, and church-isms that are just like things the Pharisees imposed upon people during Jesus' time.

The small part of God's church that I meet with regularly on Sundays, Wednesdays, and otherdays
doesn't seem to have the issues that most do. If something happens contrary to Biblical standards, the group self-corrects by discovering what the Bible says about it. Bible first, conclusion after from the Bible. Case closed.

I don't think that "superchurches (thousands of people)" are conducive when it comes to helping people grow spiritually, it's all in the small groups where it counts...Being preached too is fine and dandy, and it has its purpose and uses, provided it is a message of God, Jesus, and the Bible and not of man's logic alone (analogies + illustrations + Bible in correct context = great sermon). It's just that things like "Sunday School" or small group discussions (I prefer that term) or bible studies are better for spiritual growth more of the time as they allow people to interact and ask questions, and discover answers from the combined knowledge as a result of study on the individual's parts, as well as their spiritual gifts. It also keeps people's attentions better.

Also, Church doesn't have to fall on any specific day...for those of you who think it does, or that all Christians think that the Bible Says (southern hick accent
"Y'all must go to a white buildin' with a steeple every Sundee morn and evenin', and ery' Wensdee nite..."

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posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 01:44 AM
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Good for you, Joe. I almost made a post like this but figured it wasn't the right website. Even though it seems a lot of people have questions about Christianity and the Bible, I was afraid I'd get in trouble regarding site rules or something.


Here's a question. What is your opinion on the Nephilim? I'm very skeptical about this interpretation but some very solid Christians believe they are indeed the descendants of fallen angels and that the fallen angels will possibly return in the end times as "aliens." I personally feel it is an awkward explanation and don't consider the need for UFO's to fit into the end times.

However, some who truly love God think this is exactly what the world is being prepared for with the many UFO sightings. Some new agers have also claimed to have had sex with these "aliens" and to be carrying their children. It all sounds like insanity to me. Your thoughts?



posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 02:02 AM
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First off, the Nephilim are said to be half-man half Fallen angels, correct?

Another name for a fallen angel would be a demon who sided with Satan.

How else would they fall and sin through lust? I think that the demons are currently subdued by God somehow, they are limited in what they can do on Earth. During the tribulation, them and their boss will be out of the joint for a time, though...yikes! Too bad I won't be here for that
...

Goliath was one such man, or the decedent of one somehow or another...he or an ancestor somehow remained alive after/during the flood (I heard a myth somewhere that a giant held onto the bow of the ark or something like that). (I think...it's late, so I could be a bit fuzzy mentally...) The guy was around 9 feet tall!

Nephilim were the giants talked about that dwelled in Caanan...

Basically, God had the Israelites kill any remaining Nephilim...think Jericho...

In the end, it doesn't matter because I think God killed them all off one way or another...they seem a bit like termites, though, and keep popping up.

The Bible makes no other mention than those below, except for Goliath. In the end, you'll have to draw your own conclusions, but mine is that it is possible though unlikely that the demons are still having relations with immoral women...but I highly doubt it. I don't think aliens are real, by the way. Note that Satan is the "prince of the power of the air..." Satan has real power too...you think he would use it in a way to confuse people into thinking they see beings/are abducted by beings from another planet? The human mind can be easy to manipulate...even humans can manipulate other humans...think about having such things going on at a spiritual level in someone who is unsaved by Christ...Jesus protects believers from such things, and allows us to see through the deception and falsehoods.

As a sidenote, notice that the Greeks have a perverted version of the true story in their gods and the whole "giants" concept?

Genesis 6:


1 When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with [a] man forever, for he is mortal ; his days will be a hundred and twenty years."

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. 6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. 7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them." 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.



Numbers 13 also Mentions them:


31 But the men who had gone up with him said, "We can't attack those people; they are stronger than we are." 32 And they spread among the Israelites a bad report about the land they had explored. They said, "The land we explored devours those living in it. All the people we saw there are of great size. 33 We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them."


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posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 02:38 AM
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Originally posted by joesomebody
Goliath was one such man, or the decedent of one somehow or another...he or an ancestor somehow remained alive after/during the flood (I heard a myth somewhere that a giant held onto the bow of the ark or something like that). (I think...it's late, so I could be a bit fuzzy mentally...) The guy was around 9 feet tall!


That's what I heard, too. However, they were all wiped out in the flood the first time- but the same interbreeding occurred once again. Hence, what some believe is what called for the destruction of the Amelekites. I think there is also a king referred to as having a bed something like 13 feet long and 7 feet wide.


As a sidenote, notice that the Greeks have a perverted version of the true story in their gods and the whole "giants" concept?


Very true. Some believe the Nephilim and the Titans were one and the same.

Thanks for the reply. I guess it will be one of those things we just wait to find out later. It is odd to me, though. I think my rational mind tries to believe the old interpretation of Seth/Cain but that doesn't make much sense either. Thanks for your thoughts.

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posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 03:53 AM
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What is the teaching of the kingdom of God?


What's the point of understanding God?


Why is it too many people believe that the bible and the chirstian church is the way to God and heaven when it is not?


What did I mean by that?


If someone does you wrong, slaps you on your cheek, why should you turn the other cheek to them?


What's the meaning of all this life in phyical reality and what is the real test about?



posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 04:05 AM
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Ok Joe I have a question for you my freind, explain to me in laymans terms exactly what this Holy Trinity is so its undeniably clear. Then distance it from the Ra - Isis - Horus Trinity inexplicitly so its unique and not a copy of the older religion of Egypt.

Once you have sufficiently succeeded in those explanations I have one more question.....The pagans of Northern Europe celebrated the 22nd of december because it was the time when the Sun stopped moving North for 3 days then on the 25th it was reborn by moving south again indicating that the growing seasons were returning. Why also does the Christian Religion celebrate this period as the day Christ ( Sun or Son ) dies and is resurected after 3 days ? Oh and the cross just so happens to be a circle dissected in 4 parts to represent the seasons in the Pagan religion.

Why is there twelve deciples and twelve signs of the Zodiac? Joe I will stop there as I obviously have too many queries at this point my freind.



posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 04:27 AM
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You wrote:
“I believe that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one being in three, three beings in one. I believe that they are not aliens.”

I am sorry, but this view of God is a fabrication of the Roman Christian Church and not the true original teaching of Jesus.
Also like many other Gods messenger, why is it that some very important years of their life is not mention in the scripture. Many people in the case of Jesus have speculated that the missing time can be recalled from some old Buddhist scripture where a man from Palestine called Issa was been teach spirituality. For sure Christian will not accept such a claim for the simple reason that it will undermine the very essence of the Christianity which is that Jesus was divine and got he’s teaching from God as oppose to been teach by human.

Kacou



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posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 05:09 AM
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How do you feel about John's comma being added to the Bible, even though it was never in the original manuscripts?

Also, Trinity means 3 in one, correct? Then what about the Holy Ghost being seven ghosts? 1+1+7=1?

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posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 07:15 AM
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Mazzroth
It's obvious the zealots can't counter your un-deniable proof that Christianity is/was a scam, along with every other modern day religion.
The funny thing is there are civilisations/tribes that have been around long before Christianity. But Christianity etc covers it's self by saying the world is only a few thousand years old. So in the minds of hardcore zealots they didn't exist........like dinosaurs.
I also find it hilarious how tribes that have been untouched for thousands of years by modern religions say we were created by "people" from the stars, now who do you believe??? 2000 year old religions that are based of corruption,greed and suffering. Or tribes/civilisations that are 6000+ years old???
The awnser is easy if your not blinded by "fairy tales" and "fairy tale characters".


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posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 08:03 AM
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Pearls before swine my friend, pearls before swine ....

Your testimony could work on a take it or leave it basis, but here @ ATS - I wouldn't bother casting pearls before swine.



posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 08:30 AM
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Originally posted by joesomebody
The truth in the Bible is what to go by, not neccessarily what a preacher (or anyone else) tells you. Honestly, the best way to learn and know the truth is to find it yourself.

The best way to do this is to learn Hebrew Greek and Aramaic (which I do not know). An alternative (my route) is to study multiple translations and versions of the Bible, and to use a good lexicon. If you know someone who knows Jewish oral traditions and oral history, who can read Hebrew/Greek, that's even better. I know a Messianic Jewish Rabbi who has greatly enhanced my understanding of God's truth.


I appreciate your heart...truly.
What I dont understand is why is this in a conspiracy thread?
This is more for BTS. Debating who is right and why is in the realms of apologetics and theology. (Most post, it seems, in the conspiracy in religions thread, do not directly relate to conspiracies - per say - but are apologetical and theological in nature.
Although there are post within those threads that tend to have a conspiratorial tone to them.)

Secondly you mention that its best if you do the search yourself.
I agree, the only way. So why make a post inviting to answer peoples questions?
(Again, nothing wrong with that, its natural to want to share what you know.)

As far as messanic rabbi...that is one way, one path...one stage.
But that is not the be all end all. In fact I would say that it would do more harm than good. Go to a orthodox rabbi and learn what it is they are teaching. (doesnt mean you have to latch on to any doctrine, etc., but it may give you clearer insight to the roots of Christianity.) Yes I know the "messianic folks understand the message clearer." - or do they?

Well, the messanic movement really seems to be baptist based theology.
Im saying this from what I have read and studied. So its Baptist theology colored with Jewish ideas. (Not belittling it, just giving my observations.)

Having said that, this comment lends itself to 'conspiracy'. That is claiming to be messianic but having a bapitst theology.
- anyway

- peace

dAlen

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posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 08:40 AM
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I've always thought the following scriptures were a great defense as to IF Christ was real or just some man made messiah:

Acts 5:34-39
34 Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space; 35 And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men. 36 For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought. 37 After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed. 38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: 39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

Here we are now, almost 2000 years later. As Gamaliel said, "...for if this counsel (purpose) or this work BE OF MEN, it will come to NOUGHT ( DISSOLVED, OVERTHROWN). But if it be of God, YOU CAN NOT OVERTHROW it....

The Gospel of Christ has yet to be overthrown or pass away. What does that tell you? The answer is right here and as clear as can be. Those who scoff at it are gulity of one thing, fighting against God.



posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 08:46 AM
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This is becoming tiresome, this preaching and teaching threads are taking over the conspiracy in religions.

Very soon this thread will be renamed the preaching and gospel thread.

It has not business In conspiracies because is not conspiracies in here



posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043

This is becoming tiresome, this preaching and teaching threads are taking over the conspiracy in religions.

Very soon this thread will be renamed the preaching and gospel thread.

It has not business In conspiracies because is not conspiracies in here


Personally, with the evident amount of DECEPTION that has overtaken so many people here, I think it is indeed the best place for it.



posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 09:02 AM
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Deception? so you are confirming my post that this thread has been Hijacked? by religious groups using ATS to bring the light and the Gospel to the people been deceived in this Forums?

Well thanks you just proved my point.



posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 09:23 AM
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Where is the conspiracy?


con·spira·cy

noun

1.a planning and acting together secretly, esp. for an unlawful or harmful purpose, such as murder or treason
2.the plan agreed on plot and a group taking part in such a plan
a combining or working together the conspiracy of events

www.yourdictionary.com...

Now the title of this thread is

Ask Me Any Serious Quesses About Christianity, The Bible, Church

Should this not be located somewhere within BTS as a question and answer session / thread?

No disrespect - but it does not belong on ATS as there is no conspiracy even attempted to be put forth...unless the information you will provide in answers is:

1.a planning and acting together secretly, esp. for an unlawful or harmful purpose, such as murder or treason
2.the plan agreed on plot and a group taking part in such a plan
a combining or working together the conspiracy of events


Just my humble thought.

Lets bring back conspiracies to this conspiracy board!

Dorian Soran



posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 09:35 AM
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Actually I found the conspiracy finally,

ATS to become the main portal for internet Gospel and religious teaching.

Obviously many believe that we are sinning in this forums and are in dare need of guidance to exorcise out of us the deceiving evil that has taken over.


That is a conspiracy



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