I Wish To Offer An Opinion On Atlantis

reply to post by Skyfloating

The emphasis on location is because its the island of Atlantis that's the only evidence of Atlantis we could possibly find as it stands.

Why you say? Because Plato DID claim Atlantis owned half the known world!!! As in Atlantis, Africa all the way to Egypt and Europe all the way to Italy (Tyrrhenia or whatever he calls it). And we have found nothing to indicate Atlantis here. So all that is left is the island of Atlantis itself.

I suppose its irony that one hunt so hard for the one location that doesnt exist (I mean its submerged) when there should be so many remnants throughout the Med.

Oh and the Bock Saga cleverly omits the this fact I assume, that Atlantis couldnt possibly control these areas if positioned up in Finland lol.

[edit on 16-1-2008 by merka]

Maybe we could instead try looking for the Athenians who defeated the Atlanteans in battle, and whose army was subsequently swallowed by the earth along with the Atlanteans? Athough the Athenian army has vanished, there should be evidence of a large bronze age settlement from which they originated.

So, any huge bronze age settlements in the Athens areas that can be positively dated to 9,000BC?

But if Plato made up all the stuff about Athens being around at the same time and defeating the Atlantean army, is also just possible he made the rest up as well

Originally posted by Essan
Maybe we could instead try looking for the Athenians who defeated the Atlanteans in battle, and whose army was subsequently swallowed by the earth along with the Atlanteans? Athough the Athenian army has vanished, there should be evidence of a large bronze age settlement from which they originated.

So, any huge bronze age settlements in the Athens areas that can be positively dated to 9,000BC?

But if Plato made up all the stuff about Athens being around at the same time and defeating the Atlantean army, is also just possible he made the rest up as well

This thread is mainly for those who dont believe in plato's stories as a source for truth, we have been looking into the alternative,
However that is a good point about double checking the athenian point

Originally posted by merka

I suppose its irony that one hunt so hard for the one location that doesnt exist (I mean its submerged) when there should be so many remnants throughout the Med.

If we are talking about 3000 B.C. structures, then yes, there should be a few remnants. But many of us pro-Atlantis people conviniently place the date 10 000 B.C. after a comet impact and global flood...which makes finding remnants highly unlikely.

reply to post by Skyfloating

The "3000 BC" structures remain because they where contructed at that time. If they had been constructed 10,000 BC, they'd probably still remain. Archeological findings going back 10,000+ years isnt non-existent:
en.wikipedia.org...
We can even find evidence of wooden structures back then. Atlanteans would obviously have built their cities out of much stone instead, regardless of it being Atlantean colonies or Atlantis itself. According to Plato we should find cities similar to ancient Athens.

And there are many things pro-Atlantis people conveniently do

[edit on 17-1-2008 by merka]

reply to post by merka


If you can call the crudest of tools "structures".

After WTC was wiped out by a disaster, the structure had been turned into rubbel, leaving only the crudest of objects behind (and, conviniently an passport of one of the supposed terrorists).

Again, we are asserting a disaster.

You couldnt find much left of WTC after one day, but we are supposed to believe you could find structures after 10 000 years?

Also note the conspiracy of religion against anything pre-dating a few thousand years.

Structures in Jericho date that far back and we have had no real trouble finding them.

Were they immune to the "global flood" and the "comet impact" (that absolutely did not occur?)

BTW, any impact large enough to cause all evidence of Atlantis to be destroyed would have certainly left evidence of itself. You know, sudden extinctions, crater, whatnot.

Harte

reply to post by Harte


1. Jericho is about the only thing pointed to when talking about this.
2. Jericho does not predate the disaster we claim happened.
3. Craters tend to fade over time. Strong points are expected to be below sea level and therefore currently underwater.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
1. Jericho is about the only thing pointed to when talking about this.

Only because people tend to have heard of Jericho and know it has great antiquity. However many other Natufian period settlements have been excavated in the region.

2. Jericho does not predate the disaster we claim happened.

That depends on when you think the disaster happened

3. Craters tend to fade over time. Strong points are expected to be below sea level and therefore currently underwater.

Yes, they do, over time. Say a few million years or so. But fortunately geologists can detect craters that are hundreds of millions of years old. Being underwater tends not to make them any harder to find since most of the world's seabed has now been mapped.


In any case, there is plenty of evidence for human existence in many parts of the world dating back many tens of thousands of years. Why should all evidence of advanced (bronze age) human settlement around the Mediterranean dating to a period of 10-12,000 years ago have completely vanished not evidence of Neolithic settlements in the same areas dating form the same period?

What disaster selectively erased all evidence of bronze age culture from 10,000 years ago and nothing else? And in the process left no geological calling card either?

Originally posted by Essan
What disaster selectively erased all evidence of bronze age culture from 10,000 years ago and nothing else? And in the process left no geological calling card either?

Primer on the paleocontact-conspiracy-theory: Religion and Power-Politics has destroyed most hints of it.

It is impossible to be an Atlantologist without also being a conspiracy-theorist.

Without a deliberate cover-up, none of our rantings would make sense.



[edit on 17-1-2008 by Skyfloating]

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Primer on the paleocontact-conspiracy-theory: Religion and Power-Politics has destroyed most hints of it.

It is impossible to be an Atlantologist without also being a conspiracy-theorist.

Without a deliberate cover-up, none of our rantings would make sense.

A very honest self-assessment, but the conspiracy theory is groundless.

There are any number of things known about the ancient past that the Church (for example) tried to keep hidden.

Champollion made them so nervous I'm amazed he lived to translate hieroglyphics.

Harte

Originally posted by Harte

There are any number of things known about the ancient past that the Church (for example) tried to keep hidden.

There are a number of things that the church destroyed. There are a number of libraries that have been destroyed. There are a number of things that were managed to keep hidden.

Orthodox history tends to factor out the concept of secrecy as if every piece of information were out in the open.

reply to post by Skyfloating

That's because information in the open is the only known information.

One cant go and think up "secret" history and proclaim "OMG THIS MUST HAVE HAPPENED FOR REAL!!!". It requires research, evidence and ultimately, proof. Much of our history doesnt even reach the last stage so if you cant find proof dont fret!

But at least a little evidence would be nice.

[edit on 18-1-2008 by merka]

Originally posted by merka
That's because information in the open is the only known information.

There are a few problems of logic with your statement. But I guess that doesnt matter when looking for something...anything...to debunk.

So, there's no evidence for Atlantis or the Athenians whom they fought (or, indeed, any other bronze age peoples living anywhere in the world 10,000 years ago) because all such evidence has been deliberately destroyed. We know it has been destroyed because there is no evidence to be found.

Question is: were the Atlanteans in league with the fluffy pink bunnies? Did they help set up the fast food franchises on the Moon? There's no evidence they did, of course, but obviously any evidence would have been destroyed by the Vatican so that proves nothing. Indeed, the fact that even Plato made no mention of the fluffy pink bunnies shows just how wide reaching the conspiracy was - Plato was clearly 'persuaded' not to mention them on pain of death! It seems quite likely that the same secret order that 'leant' on Plato (and were probably responsible for murdering Socrates - covering the act up to look like suicide) are still around today. Possibly German. Which would also explain both Hitler and the Nazi's fascination with the subject and is proven by the fact that the head of the Vatican - who to this day surpress all evidence of Atlantis and the fluffy pink bunnies - is none other than a German!

Originally posted by Essan
So, there's no evidence for Atlantis or the Athenians whom they fought (or, indeed, any other bronze age peoples living anywhere in the world 10,000 years ago) because all such evidence has been deliberately destroyed. We know it has been destroyed because there is no evidence to be found.

You guys can repeat "there is no evidence to be found" as much as you want. We take the scraps that are left to be sufficient evidence to warrant investigation. Anybody mind if we continue to investigate?

Question is: were the Atlanteans in league with the fluffy pink bunnies? Did they help set up the fast food franchises on the Moon? There's no evidence they did, of course, but obviously any evidence would have been destroyed by the Vatican so that proves nothing. Indeed, the fact that even Plato made no mention of the fluffy pink bunnies shows just how wide reaching the conspiracy was - Plato was clearly 'persuaded' not to mention them on pain of death! It seems quite likely that the same secret order that 'leant' on Plato (and were probably responsible for murdering Socrates - covering the act up to look like suicide) are still around today. Possibly German. Which would also explain both Hitler and the Nazi's fascination with the subject and is proven by the fact that the head of the Vatican - who to this day surpress all evidence of Atlantis and the fluffy pink bunnies - is none other than a German!

Followed by scoffing and ridicule. Its not like I havent read many of your posts on the subject...youve been at it since 2004

O.J. Simpson may have commit murder but they didnt find enough evidence to lock him away.

You guys will just have to face that some things are not yet known and not yet explained rather than repeatedly demanding a "case closed" sticker on the Atlantis box.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
O.J. Simpson may have commit murder but they didnt find enough evidence to lock him away.

No, but they did find, and present, evidence, didn't they? Plenty of it too, as I recall.

We're still waiting for yours.

Originally posted by SkyfloatingYou guys will just have to face that some things are not yet known and not yet explained rather than repeatedly demanding a "case closed" sticker on the Atlantis box.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I believe that all I've said is that there is absolutely no reason at all to believe that Atlantis ever existed. That and, IMO, it never existed.

That's a long way from "...case closed..." I'd say.

The problem is, no evidence at all exists that any unknown civilization existed. Of course, there were probably societies in the past, possibly civilizations, that existed which we have yet to discover.

But there's not a single reason to believe that any of these unknown peoples were what folks think of when they say "Atlantis." None.

When you said in a previous post that you look at the "scraps," I say you've mispelled that word. Your "s" must be stuck on your keyboard.


Harte