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Evidence of Election Fraud in Iowa and NH?

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posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 10:29 AM
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reply to post by JacKatMtn
 


I see you have noticed what I did, the only strange happenings in this NH Hillary victory is that perhaps Obama got the short hand of the voting.

That is where the fraud conspiracy should be concentrating on.

Perhaps the reason for bringing Ron Paul into the debate is to deviate from the real Fraud been played here.

BTW I am not a follower of Obama.




posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
www.youtube.com...

That might be worth archiving indy.


I got the video. This way the powers that be cannot manipulate this and go around having videos removed from the net. I personally will not cooperate with these clowns. So if I vanish you know I've been whacked lol.



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 10:47 AM
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I would think since the NH Republican Party stood up to Fox and pulled their support for the debate that they would be VERY interested in at least looking at the evidence of voter fraud.
I am a Ron Paul supporter and this is of grave concern but I also am concerned about the Democrats #'s I think their #'s are skewed as well.
And as I said in the other Voter Fraud thread on ATS, Ron Paul supporters have been presented as Tin wearing Paulites, even with proof of fraud we are going to get sarchasm and ridicule. In the other thread I said it would be just a matter of posts before members were coming in saying we were all delusional, for some reason they stayed out of that thread and came over to this one to spew their venom.



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 10:49 AM
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reply to post by marg6043
 


LOL Marg I didnt see your post before posting about my concern over the Democrats #'s. Great minds...



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 10:50 AM
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reply to post by Stormdancer777
 



Yes he is a racist. He used to have a journal called, I think, the Ron Paul Political Report. I have posted more details in this before. There is a very racist article in there that claims that 95% of blacks are criminal.

Some of his current views include he is against hate crimes; does not believe there should be sucj a thing.

There are very good reasons why the kkk is backing him.



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 10:50 AM
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Indy,
How do you save the videos to your computer from Youtube??? I did favorite those videos posted on here but obviously that does not stop them from being removed. Thanks for the help.


Purduegrad05



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 11:14 AM
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I understand the Paulites furor over this issue, one thing his supporters are is VOCAL, I guess since the MSM has included Paul as one of the candidates they deem unworthy, his supporters blast into high gear on the internet, I don't have a problem with that.

I do have a problem with the citizens' votes being tampered with.

One of the best things about our Republic is the ability to vote, it should be completely open and honest.

In the past there have been claims of voting manipulation, unions forcing members to vote their will (or organized crimes will) Kennedy, comes to mind but at least when they were rigging the results back then, the count was considered correct.

Now it appears to be a deliberate fabrication of the votes.

I hope this uproar get's increasingly louder and LOUDER so something might change before the November elections.

BTW I am still an undecided voter, just for the record, I want all the candidates to have a fair chance and for all voters' choices to be counted honestly.



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 11:16 AM
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THere are quite a few threads on AP discussing RP's possible ties to white supremecy but that is not the topic of this thread, this one is discussing possible fraud in the Iowa/NH caucus/primary.

Please try to stay on the topic.



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 11:20 AM
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Look people it doesn't matter what political affiliation you have. If there is even a hint of truth to voter fraud - and I believe it is way beyond a hint at this point - you should all be scared $%#less. Why? you ask, I'll tell you. The founding fathers setup in the constitution a way to peacefully remove public officials that are not performing in alignment with the public will. The way to remove them is by voting them out. If they can manipulate the vote they you have lost your freedom. And I'm not just talking about your freedom to vote, I mean all of it.

All voting for public officials should be open to public scrutiny and audit. The public must be allowed to observe and document the voting process for public officials.

I've thought about this problem for quite a while and wondered what can any of us do to change it. I think the answer is to petition the local state government to enact a law that allows public scrutiny of any vote that leads to the outcome of a public office or law. People will cheat and lie but, we can make it harder for them to do it.



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 11:51 AM
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jack and brian, thanks for making that point clear. This is a blantant violation on our voting rights, whether or not you like Ron Paul or not, with the evidence that is piling up you have to be blind not to see something stinks. Dirt on water, and archangel, you have made your points clear you are not a Ron Paul supporter, and arent really adding anything to discussion. If you came here and said to us look here is the candidate that I support and here are some facts that show fraud. I would be all with you in aiding your search and helping you find more truth, it is a problem for all of us, and when you let your politics get in the way of right and wrong. You are doing nothing more then aiding in the destruction of this country.



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by dirtonwater
reply to post by Stormdancer777
 



Yes he is a racist. He used to have a journal called, I think, the Ron Paul Political Report. I have posted more details in this before. There is a very racist article in there that claims that 95% of blacks are criminal.

Some of his current views include he is against hate crimes; does not believe there should be sucj a thing.

There are very good reasons why the kkk is backing him.


Could be, surely past presidents were.

That said the current Corporatocracy is colorblind, they enslave indiscriminately.



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
There is no voting fraud here people, move along, nothing to see here.


Tell me truthfully, TA: do you really think that Paul got as many votes as you are implying? The only place he's been nearly that popular is in internet polls.

I mean, if we expected him to pull 9 or 10%, and he only pulled 4 or 5%, then I'd say there was a basis for your implication. But when you start off expecting him to get more than 30% of the vote, then I'd say you should check your premises.

And what about the fact that McCain's numbers also decreased in the CNN video? You didn't address that....



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican

More anomalies on CNN:
RON PAUL SHOWN ACTUALLY LOSING VOTES ON CNN LIVE

I am really starting to wonder if the media might be the real culprit here.


The only instance I see the votes going down are from 1,812 to 1,807. But if you watch further, the next total for paul is 1,867, which is higher. And a 6 can look like a 0 when the screen is that blurry (youtube compression sucks). It really did look like a 0 to me, but was it a 6 that looked like a 0 (which means there is no foul play, at least on CNNs part)? If someone could blow that up, or ask that guy to host his original capture on a site that doesn't compress so badly, then maybe we could see if it really was a 0 and not a 6.

Just playing Devil's advocate
Ron Paul 2008



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 12:19 PM
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NO!!!!
He is NOT. I aLREADY POSTED THIS ONCE..BUT HERE IT IS again..
dirtonwater...I see where he gets the name!!
Ron PAul has ALREADY replied to this so here itis again!
Dirtonwater needs to get hisfacts straight.

Ron Paul has already addressed this FALSE report..and is now doing so again since sokme people obviously did not read it the FIRST time..so here you go. As Ron PAul states this is OLD NEWS and is being rehashed to bash him.

www.ronpaul2008.com...

Press Releases › Ron Paul Statement on The New Republic Article Regarding Old Newsletters
January 8, 2008 5:28 am EST

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – In response to an article published by The New Republic, Ron Paul issued the following statement:

“The quotations in The New Republic article are not mine and do not represent what I believe or have ever believed. I have never uttered such words and denounce such small-minded thoughts.

“In fact, I have always agreed with Martin Luther King, Jr. that we should only be concerned with the content of a person's character, not the color of their skin. As I stated on the floor of the U.S. House on April 20, 1999: ‘I rise in great respect for the courage and high ideals of Rosa Parks who stood steadfastly for the rights of individuals against unjust laws and oppressive governmental policies.’

“This story is old news and has been rehashed for over a decade. It's once again being resurrected for obvious political reasons on the day of the New Hampshire primary.

“When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the product. For over a decade, I have publicly taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.”

###


©2007 Ron Paul 2008 PCC Contact Us | Privacy Policy Paid for by the Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Campaign Committee



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 12:21 PM
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Here is another article discussing possibly tainted results from New Hampshire:


Primary Concerns

As the breathless sports coverage of the presidential primaries bursts around me this morning, I’m doing my best to resist surrendering to the contrived drama about “comeback kids” and the flying shrapnel of numbers and hold onto my troubled skepticism about the electoral process, or at least most of it.

First of all, before we get too enthusiastic about feminist solidarity or wax knowingly about New Hampshire Democrats’ traditional soft-heartedness toward the Clinton family, let’s ponder yet again the possibility of tainted results, which is such an unfun prospect most of the media can’t bear to remember that all the problems we’ve had with electronic voting machines — and Diebold machines in particular, which dominate New Hampshire polling places — remain unsolved...


Mr Koehler also describes the activities at ABC when candidate Kucinich failed to gain a seat at the ABC debate prior to the NH primaries. This in itself is troubling, that the MSM are trying to weed out candidates. I don't remember the DEMs remove it's support for this debate like the GOP did to Fox news when they excluded Rep. Paul from their forum.

Anyways, Mr. Koehler brings up the Diebold issue as well and most of his info is already known. The good news is that he is a nationally syndicated and respected journalist so maybe this story will continue to grow.



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 12:30 PM
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well some people have been doing some investigations into the matter.


link here


who wants to verify this.



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 12:44 PM
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Compiled Link Resources

This is a compiled list of the links in this thread for faster reference.

1. Emails from Iowans who had participated in the Caucus, and they were reporting Ron Paul wins in the rooms they voted in
www.bbvforums.org...

2. Caller to C-SPAN concerning Sutton County NH Ron Paul votes.
www.youtube.com...

3. Alex Jones site also reporting on the story
www.truthnews.us...

4. Whatreallyhappened.com story
www.whatreallyhappened.com...

5. Documentation of voting procedures (pictures)
iowa.facebook.com...

6. Incredible video showing evaluating a voting machine only to have it miscount!
www.youtube.com...

7. Strawpoll results, at the time of this compilation showing Ron Paul in the lead nationally with 26.
www.usastrawpolls.com...

8. Youtube video showing Class Action Lawsuit filed by a former FBI agent
www.youtube.com...

9. BlackBox.org forums with information pertinent to this story
www.bbvforums.org...

10. Testimony of computer programmer in Florida who was hired by a state campaign to deliver a program that would deceitfully rig an election.
www.youtube.com...

11. Youtube video which was removed documenting the Boston Globe election results fiasco
www.youtube.com...

12. Edited version of the Boston Globe results as they are currently
www.boston.com...
www.youtube.com...

13. Additional ATS thread on the subject
www.abovetopsecret.com...

14. BlackBoxVoting.org article why Bev feels there was fraud
www.roguegovernment.com...

15. A comparison of hand counted votes vs. machine counted votes
ronrox.com...

16. The New Hampshire State GOP website and email
www.nhgop.org...
www.nhgop.org...

17. Prisonplanet story on Ron Paul receiving 31 votes in Sutton, BH which were not counted
www.prisonplanet.com...

18. Opednews story confirming same as 17.
www.opednews.com...

19. Story on 8 indicted on vote fraud recently
www.nbcactionnews.com...

20. Alexa link showing Ron Paul's high site ranking compared to other candidates
www.alexa.com...

21. Story on FEC Commission sidelined as elections roll on
www.csmonitor.com...

22. Delegates won results
politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

23. Ron Paul & Alan Russo video
video.google.ca...

24. Good article at Rense.com suggesting what Ron Paul could do
www.rense.com...

25. BBC article concerning the dubious Florida elections
news.bbc.co.uk...

26. State Attorney General for New Hampshire
doj.nh.gov...

27. Report on the NH vote breakdown by districts that use Diebold machines
www.libertyforum.org...

28. Call to C-SPAN about the Sutton Co. vote fraud.
www.youtube.com...

29. Youtube video of Boston Globe "error"
www.youtube.com...

30. What are some public officials doing about these wonderful voting machines?
www.youtube.com...

31. Youtube video of Ron Paul losing votes live on CNN
www.youtube.com...

32. Ron Paul campaign estimating it captured 29% of independent voters in Iowa
www.unionleader.com...

33. Additional video of the Boston Globe "misalignment"
www.youtube.com...

34. LHS Associates website. Questionable contractor who provides voting machine services
www.lhsassociates.com...

35. BlackBoxVoting.org article questioning the credibility of key people at LHS Associates
www.bbvforums.org.../1954/71236.html

36. Story on Hillary Clinton and the surprise in results
www.mediatakeout.com...

37. Fraud allegations story at Dallas Morning News
www.dallasnews.com...

38. Alternet article on voting machines
www.alternet.org...

39. Additional ATS thread on electronic voting
www.abovetopsecret.com...

40. Alex Jones video interviewing Bev Harris from BlackBoxVoting.org
www.abovetopsecret.com...

41. NewsWithViews story on the election fraud
www.newswithviews.com...

42. Responses by Ron Paul regarding old newsletters
www.ronpaul2008.com...

43. Additional article discussing possibly tainted results from New Hampshire
www.commonwonders.com...

44. Link to the Alex Jones Ron Paul War Room investigation
www.ronpaulwarroom.com...



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by dirtonwater
reply to post by Stormdancer777
 



Yes he is a racist. He used to have a journal called, I think, the Ron Paul Political Report. I have posted more details in this before. There is a very racist article in there that claims that 95% of blacks are criminal.

Some of his current views include he is against hate crimes; does not believe there should be sucj a thing.

There are very good reasons why the kkk is backing him.


Lies from the horses mouth! You slime.



Editors’ Note: The post below, which appeared on The Medium on Monday, contained several errors. Stormfront, which describes itself as a “white nationalist” Internet community, did not give money to Ron Paul’s presidential campaign; according to Jesse Benton, a spokesman for Paul’s campaign, it was Don Black, the founder of Stormfront, who donated $500 to Paul. The post also repeated a string of assertions by Bill White, the commander of the American National Socialist Workers Party, including the allegation that Paul meets regularly “with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review and others” at a restaurant in Arlington, Va. Paul never attended these dinners, according to Benton, who also says that Paul has never knowingly met Bill White. Norman Singleton, a congressional aide in Paul’s office, says that he met Bill White at a dinner gathering of conservatives several years ago, after which Singleton expressed his indignation at the views espoused by White to the organizer of the dinner. The post should not have been published with these unverified assertions and without any response from Paul.

themedium.blogs.nytimes.com...


and for that smear attempt by Jamie Kurchick on MSNBC with Tucker, here's what he said afterwards:



"Anyways, I don't think Ron Paul is a homophobe; I'm just cynical and enjoy getting supporters of political candidates riled up. If you were a Giuliani guy I'd have called him a fascist. But I must say, the Ron Paul supporters are the most enthusiastic of the bunch!"

gays-for-ron.blogspot.com...


So pretty much every time someone has to pull out the old 'ron is a racist', its nothing but incorrect old news, lies, and disinformation.




posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 12:54 PM
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Nice Job on the list TA
, this is an important issue and it has also hit the Huffington Post in this article:


Votergate Redux 2008: A Look At The Exit Polls

....I can say with a high confidence level that the discrepancy between the exit polls and the actual results were not an anomaly. The Democrats especially should want to follow-up on this ASAP. The idea that the so-called Bradley affect created a racial bias against Obama is nonsense. That is a lie that is meant to divide the Dems on gender and race. I am reminded of a movie line in The Exorcist when the old priest advisors his younger assistant about the devil. The old Priest Merrin says to Karras his assistant:


"We may ask what is relevant, but anything beyond that is
dangerous. He is a liar, the demon is a liar. He will lie to
confuse us. But he will also mix lies with the truth to attack
us. The attack is psychological , Damien. And powerful. So don't
listen, remember that, do not listen.

That is my perception of the corporate media. They are liars who will mix truth with lies to confuse us. And as Merrin said "do not listen."


This is the writer's opinion on the NH results, the entire article is a very interesting read though this writer places blame on corporate media. He also echoes many of the same issues brought up already in this thread in addition to comparing 2008 to the 2004 concerns on electronic voting.

More importantly, the noise is getting LOUDER...


ed:sp

[edit on 1/10/2008 by JacKatMtn]



posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 01:05 PM
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External News Source - Slashdot.org

"Multiple indications of vote fraud are beginning to pop up regarding the New Hampshire primary elections. Roughly 80% of New Hampshire precincts use Diebold machines, while the remaining 20% are hand counted. A Black Box Voting contributor has compiled a chart of results from hand counted precincts vs. results from machine counted precincts. In machine counted precincts, Clinton beat Obama by almost 5%. In hand counted precincts, Obama beat Clinton by over 4%, which closely matches the scientific polls that were conducted leading up to the election. Another issue is the Republican results from Sutton precinct. The final results showed Ron Paul with 0 votes in Sutton. The next day a Ron Paul supporter came forward claiming that both she and several of her family members had voted for Ron Paul in Sutton. Black Box Voting reports that after being asked about the discrepancy Sutton officials decided that Ron Paul actually received 31 votes in Sutton, but they were left off of the tally sheet due to 'human error.'"

Maybe we'll see this story in mainstream also. We'll see.



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