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Iran state TV says pentagon video was fabricated

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posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 01:36 PM
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In fairness and in no way meant as a direct criticism to your views, which we are all entitled to view and express, but could your posting also be written as:-


This thread: a perfect example of what I've said on other threads.

The [Iran haters] on ATS will automatically accept the [US] version as gospel, while automatically assuming the [Iraniuns]. is lying - on every issue.

So, how exactly does being a single-focused, tunnel-visioned, [Iranium haters] (or any kind of hater) square with "deny ignorance"?


Your argument is clearly against the "US Haters" while ending your post stating that the US haters are not focused and tunnel visioned..

While I may not always agree with some of your posts, they were however always objective and to the point. But not this one, its "biased" and condescending.




posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by vance
I believe it happened as the US Navy reported. I also believe that the Captain of each threatened ship should be brought up on charges.
Those charges should include but not be limited too negligence and failure to Command thier vessels. Failure to defend thier ships and crews. They are unworthy to command and should be removed right now! Those are our kids on board those vessels. If they exploded some devices from those ships and killed our kids, we still would've been accused of creating the circumstances. Man, sink the threats your tarded Captains, don't just let them kill our kids!


I second your motion and I said the same exact thing in a different thread.



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 01:42 PM
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In fairness to your question, if you'd been here as long as I have and read/posted as many threads as I have you'd know that the anti-U.S threads and posts run about 50-1 over the anti-iran (or whomever) threads and posts.

All I'm asking for is balance which - although significantly outnumbered - some of us here are attempting to provide.

I'm also suggesting that "Deny Hypocrisy" be added to the "Deny Ingnorance" motto.

So, I suggest you read/post more before deciding if the U.S. haters actually need any more of your assistance.




posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 01:44 PM
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4thDOctor, can you point me to your post reply? I would like to get involved with that debate for sure!
Thanks!

Vance



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 01:44 PM
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Let's make a poll which country is right.....

Ah never mind, I forgot - ATS doesn't provide one, ah well.



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 01:47 PM
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Looks like it wouldn't be the first time something was faked.
www.presstv.ir...


The National Security Agency (NSA) reveals that Washington had faked an attack on US destroyers to sharply escalate the Vietnam War.

In a report recently issued in response to a 'mandatory declassification' request, the NSA retold the history of the Vietnam War from the perspective of 'signals intelligence'.

The NSA, which is responsible for much of the United States' codebreaking and eavesdropping, exposed information that indicates the reported North Vietnamese attack on American destroyers was indeed a scam.



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 02:12 PM
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Except ...


There is no evidence and no one remembers the north vietnamese telling the world that they sent boats out to where the U.S. Navy ships were, as the iranians have done.

Instead of beating a dead horse on this issue, try popping another Bud!



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 02:13 PM
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I think it would be fun if we had our own speed boats in the Gulf, where we would just come up to the Iranian boats and grapple them. Have one of our marines jump over and beat the crap out of them, then take off. We should have a seperate fist fighting war out in the water. That could be a nice deterrent to people who want to be a harrasment.



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 02:26 PM
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That's hardly the point - the point is that the NSA (and by implication the government) has faked evidence before, which in my eyes makes any government agency untrustworthy when it comes to this.

Hell, anyone with a decent PC and the right software could have faked the video that was splattered all over the news.





He went, he was blind, he was whipped.



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 02:32 PM
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Why do many people think the U.S. ships should have fired upon the speedboats? It could have caused even more problems with Iran laying blame on U.S. for destroying small unarmed vessels in international waters. Iran would have then played the whole affair in their favor. If Iran was trying to do anything here, it was to provoke the coallition ships to open fire on the speedboats. Thus Iran did not achieve what it wanted to achieve.

I think the crews on the coallition warships did the right and intelligent thing by holding back and not firing. In the video it does mention that the crews were ready to fire at a moment's notice, and would have fired have the speedboats not turned back at the last moment. If conflicts should have taught us anything, it is that composure and sanity is vital even in the most stressful situations. Anyone can resort to their instincts and fire on the first target from which they perceive a threat. That is just reckless. Remember when the U.S. shot down the Iranian commercial jetliner?



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by bakednutz


This is typical of Iran but strange considering they admitted the boats were theirs. I wonder what will happen next?

www.foxnews.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


They admitted to a "normal" confrontation in the Straights where the ships identified each other and left. They're story always contradicted what the US Navy reported.

They're not flip flopping on this as there could well have been more than instance of IRG boats challenging US ships. The USN says this happens frequently anyway, so what if there was two incidents that day?

One normal "how do you do?" between the USN and IRG and this, mysterious encounter between the USN and some anonymous speed boats. In the apparent radio announcement by the boats to the US, did they at any point identify themselves as Iranian forces?

I've seen the video and to be honest, they don't look like IRG Navy boats. The IRG have a flotilla of corvette and gunboat sized vessels that are well armed.

I don't see why they would send a few, unarmed, commercial speed boats out to a US cruiser and escorts.

In the Straights, almost anyone could have been on those bats as it is not that far from land wherever you are.



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by bakednutz
This is typical of Iran but strange considering they admitted the boats were theirs.


I'm not sure what you mean by "typical of Iran"

Do you mean things like when they said they had no nuclear weapons programme and were exonerated, even though shrub tried to tell us all they had them?

Do you mean their leaders visit to the states, when he behaved in an extremely statesmanlike fashion?

Do you mean when they posed no threat within the region, except for going to war with saddam, which has since been done by western powers?

Do you mean the massive advances in healthcare and medicine for their citizens?

Do you mean one of the best educational systems in the region?

Do you mean when the leaders of the country stress that they want peace, but are denied it because they have been labelled part of an "axis of evil" by the first great tyrant/aggressor of this century?

Please clarify by all means, I'm interested to hear how you arrived at the opinion that lying is "typical of iran" - especially when compared to bush, who as we all know is whiter than white (sarcasm)



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by maloy
Remember when the U.S. shot down the Iranian commercial jetliner?


You mean the one that had the F-14 (which iran flies) transponder squawking that was flying directly towards the U.S. cruiser and not responding to their radio?

What would you be saying if the situation was reversed - a U.S. airliner with an iranian transponder flying towrds the "holy city of Qom"? Of course, you'd all be saying that it was a U.S. plot to attack the "holy city of Qom".


Oh wait! My bad. I forgot you all think that everything the U.S. says is false and that iran says is true ...



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by budski
reply to post by centurion1211
 


That's hardly the point - the point is that the NSA (and by implication the government) has faked evidence before, which in my eyes makes any government agency untrustworthy when it comes to this.



It's exactly the point. You're trying to make a comparison where there is none and then use it as another anti-U.S. rant.

Even if it was done before by the democrat Johnson administration over 40 years ago, all evidence reported shows it not to be the case this time.

You know that, yet continue to post otherwise.


Deny hypocrisy ...

And please don't presume to lecture anyone about lying ...

[edit on 1/9/2008 by centurion1211]



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by budski
Do you mean when the leaders of the country stress that they want peace, but are denied it because they have been labelled part of an "axis of evil" by the first great tyrant/aggressor of this century?


Want peace? Oh, you mean they were just joking when they said they wanted to wipe Israel off the face of the earth???



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 03:30 PM
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I've lost count of the amount of times people need reminding that the Iranians NEVER said anything about "wiping Israel off the map". They stated they wanted to see a regime change, but this was (deliberately?) mistranslated.



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 03:40 PM
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I find your assertion that I am engaging in an anti US rant insulting to say the least.

I am as vociferous in my condemnation of the UK government and any organisation that practices hypocrisy as I am of the bush regime, and I have not at any time insulted or made reference to US citizens.

Your blinkered view of what constitutes a rant is disturbing from a member of such long standing.
It seems that you are so determined to put forth your side of the story and to blindly believe anything your government tells you that you cannot see that there may be more to this than meets the eye.
It's not like bush hasn't lied about iran before, not to mention iraq and wmd's.

Back to the point - the comparison is valid - a lie is a lie is a lie.
On the subject of which, your implying that I am lying is hardly within the guidelines of civilty and decorum, so I belive an apology is in order - unless your obvious paranoia won't allow it.

Otherwise, just put me on ignore - I have no time for hypocrites and reverse bigotry.



[edit on 9/1/2008 by budski]



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 04:02 PM
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posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 04:10 PM
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Again with the insults?

Look through my threads and you will find a common theme - an intense dislike of hypocritical authority figures, especially those who are compulsive liars - this applies mostly to bush and blair/brown.

From blair to brown to the pope to bush to the nhs etc etc.

If you think this is anti US then frankly I feel sorry for you and for the delusions you appear to suffer from, especially considering the inflamatory anti muslim anti everything except the US bigotted posts you regularly "contribute"

And isn't that what your posts in this thread have really been about - your hatred of all things muslim.
A true racist bigot.

It will be my pleasure to return the favour.






[edit on 9/1/2008 by budski]



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 04:26 PM
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As far as anti-US sentiment goes, I think you will find it is aimed at the Administration, NOT the US citizens themselves. By you thinking this, you are doing exactly what the neo-cons in power want. To find out your leaders are not the good guys, can crush ones ego, as you have been bought up to believe the creed of: "truth, justice the American way!"

AND NEVER forget the US army is there under the guise of WMD which was not only false, but even the Administration has admitted it was wrong.

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